Bearing fruit

[Angela53510]

You'll have to provide specific example/s because that's not been my experience.

That's irrelevant. You decided to come in here making the same type of comment that you've made in my threads in the past. It is negative and unnecessary. It is also completely ironic that in the same breath you constantly have complaints about the bible study forum and then inform others to capitalise Jesus and God but haven't had anything constructive to contribute in those instances.

There's nothing relevant or helpful about the statement you've made. This is a bible discussion forum where people want to learn and educate themselves. You've made that same comment as well as many other subjective ones in my threads in the past and it's neither helpful nor Christ like.

Again that's irrelevant. I've seen a constant litany of your complaints about the bible study forum constantly throughout this site. I see you constantly inform others on capitalising Jesus and God everywhere I go . I see the comment you've made on this type of thread and very similar ones to mine in the past in the bible study forum. If you want to inspire people to Christ, using what could be a very constructive platform to do so, to make those unnecessary comments or launch into negative dialogues is wrong.
In that thread that you're pointing out now, there was a fantastic comment made to you by yet another member that is consistent with what i'm trying to point out now:

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Another solid insight where a moderator gave your postal stats not so long ago.

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If you want to post 50 times a day, please allow people in the bible discussion forum to have their discussions, including mine in the past, without the aforementioned negative unnecessary posts from you. If you claim to dislike the forum so much, if you claim to dislike threads so much like you have done, is there a reason why you can't just stay away if you don't have anything productive to add to the discussion?

How is making one observing post about your persistent behaviour 'hassling' you? Who are these 'others'? I never chose to 'kick you off' my threads that you wove your unnecessary distracting comments into, I tried to stay there and show and point things out to you. However I've observed this same behaviour in this thread today and in other forums too. I think it's wrong.

You really need to learn how to take a simple observation and correction about your persistent actions on this site with grace. There are actually multiple others who agree with me about your actions on other forums.

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You like to correct people on capitalising Jesus and God while giving yourself permission to censor other people. imgur.com/a/JS0l8 You like to come into threads like you did in this one and mine in the past making unnecessary, negative comments - it just doesn't add up to being a Christian - and i think it's reasonable for me to point it out to you.

I've had a member thank me for standing up to those that you have attempted constantly censor, when all they were trying to do is engage in a productive discussion:

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You certainly have the right to post wherever and whenever you please. We have the right to point something out to you with grace. Lastly, let Jesus be your boss - that's my point. If you want to constantly request for others to capitalise His name, constantly post scriptures, then live up to it in the fruits of the spirit too, let Jesus direct your posts and your spirit.

Well, Laura_Charlotte. I see you joined in 2012, but you only have posted 150 times? That barely gets you senior member status. And 6 rep points given? I guess you are never in this forum. Or CC for that matter.

The reason I point this out, is that Blue has been around a long time. We all know and love her. Sometimes she is strong but I have never seen her be actually wrong when she is being strong.

You, not so much. I don't believe I have ever seen you posting, and I've been around a long time. And given a lot of rep points and received them, many, many likes given and received and posted on a lot of threads. I may not agree with everyone, but I do know most of the active members, and you are not in that group.

When you say "in my experience" and you are referring to CC, then you are actually speaking from a VERY limited experience.

Here is my suggestion to you. Instead of picking on long time members that we all care for, get to know the people in the forum. Talk to people. Post and read the threads. Find out what goes on. For instance, the "Losing your salvation versus eternal security" threads, have been long winded, going on perhaps 2 years. We are almost out of that, although it does come up now and again, in shorter posts of only 20-30 pages. There is a search function on the upper right hand side. My advice is to find those threads and read them. Then you will find out why the BDF has been renamed the BAF (Bible Argument Forum) and other things much worse!

Right now, we have really moved onto hyper grace versus true repentance. Well, that is what I am focusing on.

As far as capitalizing Jesus and God, Blue is 150% right about that. I don't care if people are posting from phones, God needs to be respected, and capitalizing is a sign of that. I post from my phone in bed at night, and you better believe I have never missed a capital where the names of God are concerned. (God the Father; God the Son, Jesus; and God the Holy Spirit!)

I really don't care how much social media has lost in the way of speaking, spelling and writing correctly. It is total disrespect to not capitalize and to defend people who do not. I'm glad Blue keeps on top of it!

My thought is that we are all here to learn from each other. Those who have posted more, know more, at least about the things going on in the various forums. So I hope you will take my advice and get to know the BDF a bit better, before you go on this witch hunt to try and boss Blue, or anyone else around.

Oh yes, it has always been my goal to get people to use the BIBLE in the BIBLE Discussion Forum. I have not seen that in your posts in this thread. I think anyone will agree my posts and use of the Bible stand for themselves, even if they do not agree with my conclusions.

Sorry ISIT for abducting your thread to chastise this young woman.

And Laura -welcome to CC. I hope you will stay around and get to know us.

 

[Demi777]

Hey
please just leave Ladybug alone. It wont bring any good to just fight and so. Just let her mind her own buisness. She has asked you a few times and it would be nice if you could just drop it. Everyone here needs to just chillax a bit. Besides how have you been anyways?

 

[UnderGrace]

Rofl! Well you know they have to reinterpret everything, and use smoke and mirror tactics to try to justify their ongoing sinful behavior. (the law did it!) LOL

PilgrimPassingThru

In verse 17 says while seeking to be justified in Christ not the law (as you say in the first sentence)

Now now, it is in verse 16 ....very clearly stated and that is what he was referring to

[SUP]16 [/SUP] nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Here is the whole

Gal.2
[14] But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
[15] We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
[16] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[17] But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[18] For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
[19] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[21] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

PilgrimPassingThru

Now now, it is in verse 16 ....very clearly stated and that is what he was referring to

[SUP]16 [/SUP] nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

This is my post and verse (Gal. 2:17) below He was responding to, which he tried to misrepresent and twist saying Gal. 2:17 was speaking about trying to be justified by works of the law. But the verse itself clearly states "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ,"

Galatians 2:17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

That verse has nothing to do with trying to be justified by works of the law, it is a clear warning about not being found a sinner even though they were seeking to be justified by Christ. But Mr. twister tried to misrepresent and twist it's meaning, as he has a bad habit of habitually doing to the words of God in order to promote the false doctrine of Mr. Prince. But he has been warned.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

PilgrimPassingThru

Now now, it is in verse 16 ....very clearly stated and that is what he was referring to

[SUP]16 [/SUP] nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

I had hightlighted his post, so I know what it says, that verse (16) is highlighted see?

I'll make it less confusing

 

[Cee]

I agree it is saying, rebuilding the things is talking about the law. It's comparing being justified in Christ and also trying to be justified by the law is sin. Please explain how that Scripture fits any other way in the context. Every Scripture around it is about being justified by Christ not the law.

 

[BenFTW]

I am not bearing false witness, those were your words not mine. Here is your entire quote...

And here is what I quoted from you above in red....

Your words not mine. And by the way, Jesus also came to set you free from sin and sinning, but clearly by your above statements you do not believe there is a significance in sinning less or even at all. That teaching and mentality is not of God's Spirit.

They were questions to ponder and you're making them something else. There is significance in sinning less, and that is exactly what those questions are to get you to think about. Yet, you'd like to turn it into something its not to make an attack of my character and beliefs. Class act.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

I agree it is saying, rebuilding the things is talking about the law. It's comparing being justified in Christ and also trying to be justified by the law is sin. Please explain how that Scripture fits any other way in the context. Every Scripture around it is about being justified by Christ not the law.

Just says seeking to be justified by Christ is what I pointed out, I think its worded very strangely myself.

 

[UnderGrace]

This is my post and verse (Gal. 2:17) below He was responding to, which he tried to misrepresent and twist saying Gal. 2:17 was speaking about trying to be justified by works of the law. But the verse itself clearly states "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ,"



That verse has nothing to do with trying to be justified by works of the law, it is a clear warning about not being found a sinner even though they were seeking to be justified by Christ. But Mr. twister tried to misrepresent and twist it's meaning, as he has a bad habit of habitually doing to the words of God in order to promote the false doctrine of Mr. Prince. But he has been warned.

Well that is indeed a twist on Galatians....not being found a sinner?

I am not big on paraphrasing but in a nut shell this is what Paul is absolutely saying, even Calvin and Luther knew what was being said here way before the supposed false grace preachers of today as you clearly like to call them, this is the clear message of the grace of Jesus.

Gal 2:17-18 NLV - But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.

Look what Paul states at the end.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Clear as day, take it out on Paul then cause he stated it first, not Joseph Prince.

 

[UnderGrace]

I agree it is saying, rebuilding the things is talking about the law. It's comparing being justified in Christ and also trying to be justified by the law is sin. Please explain how that Scripture fits any other way in the context. Every Scripture around it is about being justified by Christ not the law.

Truly plain as day, if someone does not like the message they should blame Paul he said it first.

Thank you!

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

You have both Jew and Gentile and both were under sin, follow the "God forbids" that is sort of neat

One points to continuing in sin

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Followed by

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

So dead to sin (here)

And then below, "shall we (now) sin because we are not under the law (but) under grace

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Both followed by that "God forbid", similar to Galations

He just told them that they were Jews (by nature) and not sinners of the Gentiles (although both were under sin)

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves alsoare found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

But that is still not being justified by the law there but he says seeking to be justified by Christ which is followed by we ourselves ALSO are found sinners (since he says, we are Jews by nature not sinners of the Gentiles) but then he asks, is Christ then (who was a minister to the circumcision) therefore the minister of sin? God forbid.

In Romans 6:2 He speaks of being dead to sin, whereas Gal 2:19 speaks of being dead to the law, so no wonder Paul says in

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Theres alot of "God forbids" there

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You have both Jew and Gentile and both were under sin, follow the "God forbids" that is sort of neat

One points to continuing in sin

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Followed by

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

So dead to sin (here)

And then below, "shall we (now) sin because we are not under the law (but) under grace

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Both followed by that "God forbid", similar to Galations

He just told them that they were Jews (by nature) and not sinners of the Gentiles (although both were under sin)

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves alsoare found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

But that is still not being justified by the law there but he says seeking to be justified by Christ which is followed by we ourselves ALSO are found sinners (since he says, we are Jews by nature not sinners of the Gentiles) but then he asks, is Christ then (who was a minister to the circumcision) therefore the minister of sin? God forbid.

In Romans 6:2 He speaks of being dead to sin, whereas Gal 2:19 speaks of being dead to the law, so no wonder Paul says in

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Theres alot of "God forbids" there

Thank you, very well done. These people have been brainwashed into believing the law is sin, but being found a sinner is no big deal because they have been misled to believe there is no way for them to fall. Gal. 2:17 is clear in what Paul is saying about being found a sinner even though they were seeking to be justified by Christ, as Jesus Christ is not a minister of sin but of righteousness. Sinners shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Well that is indeed a twist on Galatians....not being found a sinner?

Gal 2:17-18 NLV - But suppose we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then we are found guilty because we have abandoned the law. Would that mean Christ has led us into sin? Absolutely not! Rather, I am a sinner if I rebuild the old system of law I already tore down.

Bad translation which distorts the Truth, that must be the Hyper grace version. Here is the warning....

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

No excuse for ongoing sin even if you seek to be justified by Christ. Whosoever commits sin is of the Devil.


1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Do not build again what Christ came to destroy.

 

[gb9]

Bad translation which distorts the Truth, that must be the Hyper grace version. Here is the warning....

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

No excuse for ongoing sin even if you seek to be justified by Christ. Whosoever commits sin is of the Devil.


1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Do not build again what Christ came to destroy.

so, you are sinless and do no wrong??? self-deceived much??
one last time, you , me and anyone else could just pluck out verses, say " see, here is what the Bible says". no that is what those verses say. they must be balanced with all the other verses. you refuse to do this. warnings only is your message.

 

[Th0mas]

laura_charlotte,

Do you want to share your experience in http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...are-your-experience-using-matthew-7-12-a.html ?

If there is a need to say, I wasn't mocking you by asking that.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Bad translation which distorts the Truth, that must be the Hyper grace version. Here is the warning....

Galatians 2:17 But if, while WE seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

No excuse for ongoing sin even if you seek to be justified by Christ. Whosoever commits sin is of the Devil.


1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Do not build again what Christ came to destroy.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm.....who are the "we" there that Paul is referencing??????

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Ummmmmmmmmmmm.....who are the "we" there that Paul is referencing??????

The "we" are those who are seeking to be justified by Christ, but the "we" also who are not to be found sinners are the same we who say they are justified by Christ. If you are found to be a sinner, then you are reprobate, because Christ is not the minister of sin but of righteousness. HE WHO SINS IS A SERVANT OF SIN AND IS OF THE DEVIL. The wage of sin is death, if you live after the flesh=living in ongoing sin, you shall die. The fruit of sin is death, you will reap what you sow, whether sin unto death or righteousness unto Eternal Life by the faith of Christ.

Romans 6:18-23[SUP]18 [/SUP]Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

So if you are sinning you are bearing fruit unto death. But if by the Son of God you have been made free from sin and sinning, then you will no longer go on sinning (whose end is death) but rather serving righteousness and bringing forth fruit unto eternal life.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The "we" are those who are seeking to be justified by Christ, but the "we" also who are not to be found sinners are the same we who say they are justified by Christ. If you are found to be a sinner, then you are reprobate, because Christ is not the minister of sin but of righteousness. HE WHO SINS IS A SERVANT OF SIN AND IS OF THE DEVIL. The wage of sin is death, if you live after the flesh=living in ongoing sin, you shall die. The fruit of sin is death, you will reap what you sow, whether sin unto death or righteousness unto Eternal Life by the faith of Christ.

Romans 6:18-23[SUP]18 [/SUP]Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

So if you are sinning you are bearing fruit unto death. But if by the Son of God you have been made free from sin and sinning, then you will no longer go on sinning (whose end is death) but rather serving righteousness and bringing forth fruit unto eternal life.

Thats not who the "we" is there. You do yourself no favors by misusing scripture in such a painfully obvious way as you do. A person can pluck scripture out of its context to support any cockamamie notion. As you are proving so well.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

They were questions to ponder and you're making them something else. There is significance in sinning less, and that is exactly what those questions are to get you to think about. Yet, you'd like to turn it into something its not to make an attack of my character and beliefs. Class act.

I am exposing the lies you and others have been taught by false teachers. You have not been taught that you can in fact actually be set free from sin and sinning, both you and Mr. Twister have said as much. Your religion is not a reality of actually being set from sinning with an active manifestation of the Holy Spirit working in you, or else you would not say such things that are contrary to the words of Jesus Christ. And if by the power of God you had truly been set free from sin then you would not go on sinning. That is the reality that proves you do not have a true rebirth in Jesus Christ and have truly passed from death to Eternal Life.

But you declared your error, and the Hyper gracers error about seeing any "significance in sinning less or even at all. "
Of course you do not see the significance because you been blinded from the Truth by blind guides that say ongoing sin will not effect your eternal security. But Jesus said THOSE WHO COMMIT SIN ARE A SERVANT OF SIN AND A SERVANT OF SIN ABIDES NOT IN THE HOUSE FOREVER!