Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh

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Actually he primed my mind as a child.. had me exposed to different aspects of that life and made it seem to be "good"
That sounds like our enemy for sure. Satan and his horde are starting early to get the children to be deceived into thinking how to find life. But it is only in Jesus and finding our true selves joined with Him for eternity that the real life is manifested.
 
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Whether it's actually him or not he's behind all destruction..
Yes, This I agree sis.. Amen, He started the fall, And he wants to make sure people do not get saved, and those saved, never mature in Christ..
 
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It would behoove him to keep lot in who is already deceived right? Otherwise they can easily be turned away from sin.. he's not loosing anyone if he can help it..
 
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It would behoove him to keep lot in who is already deceived right? Otherwise they can easily be turned away from sin.. he's not loosing anyone if he can help it..
Nope he does not, and he has a great army to help him (1/3 of all of heaven went with him)

Thats why we are told. resist the devil and he will flee from you..

He needs us week, not strong. Thats why faulty views on what repentance is, Justification is, What it means to be born again, Saved, Sealed. etc etc, are so dangerous, If a person has the wrong view. They will be weak (even if they think they are stong) and satan will sift through them like flour, Until they repent, and start to have real sustaining faith in God.. or they meet their end..
 
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Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin all you want" because no one would for fall for such a lie.

Instead they come
as
"ministers of righteousness".

They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.

This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.
So Grace7, you are calling righteous people Satan and his horde?
 
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even if we took the sacrificial and ceremonial laws away, And just kept the moral aspects of the law. Can we keep it as required?

Deuteronomy 27:26

[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.

“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’

As Paul reiterated in gal 3 :



Gal 3:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[SUP][g][/SUP]

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[SUP][h][/SUP]), [SUP]14 [/SUP]that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

I mean why was God required to redeem us from the curse of the law. If we can keep the law? That makes no sense to me.


so what does it really mean to be obedient to christ is the question.
No. We can't even keep the moral aspects. Because who can ever keep from having anger and resentments? They will eventually pop up to torment us. And we know that our righteousness has to exceed the righteousness of those who say murder is only an outward act.

Seeing this is what makes us go to Christ. Because we see we cannot do it. So we pray for what we need. We pray for what we lack. We thirst for true righteousness in our inner man. We are thankful that we have been saved from the curse of the law (death) by the Sacrifice that gives us that gift, but we don't stop there as if that is the end of it all - we thirst for righteousness in our inner man. We thirst for a pure heart. And we see we will never have it by our own effort and discover that it is only by trusting Christ to finish this good work He began in us that we can be made holy in our inner man. So this is the answer to your question about what it really means to be obedient to Christ. It is the obedience of trust (faith in Him). This is the ONLY thing God wants from you - that you trust in the One He has sent.

Of course, children like to grab a book and act like they know how to read, but we just secretly laugh at them because they don't even know that they are holding the book upside down. They are trying to convince someone that they are really reading by their outward behavior. But inside, they aren't reading.
That's what we are like when we convince ourselves that by what we do outwardly, we are achieving holiness. But inside, we're doing no such thing.
 
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I do get bothered when people say the devil isn't omnipresent.. I know that.. but the Bible is clear that he himself roams the earth looking... You can dismiss that if you want, but I'm not...
 
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That sounds like our enemy for sure. Satan and his horde are starting early to get the children to be deceived into thinking how to find life. But it is only in Jesus and finding our true selves joined with Him for eternity that the real life is manifested.
Amen brother, Thats why jesus said we must come to him as children, Children must rely on others, they can not take care of themseves.. Satan wants to decieve us as children,, And make us think we can take care of ourselves (thats part of the reason the world is falling apart)
 
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ok yes, I agree here, Only I would say it is love and faith, not just faith..

The law of love fulfilled the law of moses. But as you say, We are not perfect. So in reality (eternal perspective) we can not keep the law, but in life, we can when our focus is on say the spirit. we can.. We just do not focus on the spirit 24/7. And when we take our eyes of the spirit, our eyes go on self (flesh) and we will sin.
Yes.
IF we abide in Him, we do not sin.
If we sin, we have stopped abiding in Him.
 
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The problem with calling righteous people Satan and his horde you are making Gods people
your enemy and making yourself the accuser.

This is the place of judgement and a place you never want to go.
It is close of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It is saying the work of grace God has
done in my life is actually the enemy.

Hatred, malice, anger lead you to place like this. But it has nothing to do with what the
victims of this accusation have done, it is what lies within. And in the end the same contradiction
to stand for righteousness will condemning it will cause an implosion. These positions are only
maintained by denial.

You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Psalm 45:7
 
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Yes.
IF we abide in Him, we do not sin.
If we sin, we have stopped abiding in Him.
YES!!

Seek the things of the spirit, and we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh..

If I am seeking who does God want me to love and serve, My mind is not focused on self. and I will not have any lusts to worry about.. It is then when God fills me wiht his love (takes care of all my needs) and I am able to pour his love out on others..


Sadly (myself included) it does not stay that way for long, because with the things of life, Our focus is easily distracted..
 
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ok yes, I agree here, Only I would say it is love and faith, not just faith..

The law of love fulfilled the law of moses. But as you say, We are not perfect. So in reality (eternal perspective) we can not keep the law, but in life, we can when our focus is on say the spirit. we can.. We just do not focus on the spirit 24/7. And when we take our eyes of the spirit, our eyes go on self (flesh) and we will sin.
Yes, okay, haha.
I certainly wouldn't trust Him if I hated Him!
 
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You can think he is nowhere but where you want to, that's unfortunate and unsound.. he's everywhere, going after all he can... Their flesh is their weakness so by your own words you still made sense with mine and didn't even see it

I agree, the enemy has his influence wherever people are congregating. Not that he is omnipresent or anything. he has tons of demons under him who are busy spreading evil and influencing man kind against God and each other. He hates us humans because we are made in God's image. So he wants to hurt God by hurting us. He comes to kill - steal and destroy us.

The enemy has been explained sort of like a woman or man who was dumped. They hack up the "picture" since they can't do anything to the actual person who dumped them for someone else.


For sure there are evil entities in those kind of bars and strip joint places that continue to influence those who are still bound up and unable to de tangle themselves. Just like those who are self righteously religious just like Grace777 was saying. The self righteous religious person is living in delusions of grandeur just like the people in the strip clubs. Both are entangled in meeting their own needs in their own power. Both need to be freed.

It seems to me those who are not in church don't delude themselves into thinking they are good Christians., unlike the religious minded church goer., Many of those religious people have learned how to cover up the outward looks and have aced their outward appearance enough to even fool themselves. When in truth., inside they are really just as weak and bound as those in the strip clubs and bars.
 
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So you can be saved by just existing as a sinner, no faith, no response, no deeds, no fruit, no understanding, no love, no change, no praise, no choice?

Think of the two thieves crucified either side of Jesus. One was saved because he showed faith
and asked Jesus to remember him. That was very much an active request. You appear lost in
trying to defend your theology rather than accepting real life and relationships, a two way street.
No, you cannot be saved by just existing as a sinner. You have to believe that God tells the truth that all your sins are forgiven through Christ crucified for you. That is to have faith in Jesus. So no, it is not without faith(trust) in Him. Now that that is taken care of, you can go to Him boldly instead of having a fear of death hanging over your head. You will not face eternal death for your sins. His sacrifice has put you in right standing with God as to the just requirements of the law. (The just requirement of the law is that the soul who sins must die.)Not through anything you did, because even the faith is from Him. So no boasting about your faith(trust) in Him as if it was your own good sense. If anyone wants to boast, they should boast in HIM and what He has done for them.
 
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Actually he primed my mind as a child.. had me exposed to different aspects of that life and made it seem to be "good"


Hi Holly., Soooo glad you heard the truth and Jesus got you out of where you were bound. You are dearly loved and Jesus has better plans for you!!
:D He has better plans than what we thought we had to do on our own. He promises to show us and take us far and above what we could ask or even think! Jesus got me out of my mess too and He promises to never leave us or forsake us while we are on the journey. So glad you are here with us Holly. ((((((hugs))))))))
 

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VVhat is the fine line between confidence in the flesh and self control? VVhen do we know we are relying too much on self instead of God, who does the sanctifying? That would be an interesting topic.
 
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I too had the issue where I kept hearing my father and others in my church tell people to stop sin. Or else. They sort of had it, we stop sin, then God saves us, You can not come to god in your sin (this was after I was saved, and got a little older where I could hang wiht the adults, I did not see this when I received Christ in my heart)

I saw people had to heal themselves first, then maybe just maybe God would save you. If you did a certain particular sin, You can;t be saved, or you would not struggle with that sin etc etc (to them, it did not seem to matter the sin of pride, arrogance and all this hidden sins they had)

I saw people fall left and right, When i left for the military, I felt a freedom, I am finally free of th erules and regulations I find it impossible to keep. I rebelled and made many mistake.

Many years later, After my wife divorced me, I left the church for good. WHy bother. no matter how hard I try to do what God wants, I am an utter failure, I failed even in my marriage (a mortal sin in my church) so why continue.

Then I found grace, and what it really means.. I saw lives change from the inside out.. I still struggle because I was in it too long, But I am being healed. PRAISE GOD.
It's despicable, isn't it? To think we cannot come to God in our sin?
The one man who went away justified did just that. He said, have mercy on me, a sinner. And he went away justified.
We are so twisted, aren't we?
 
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What I find weird is when people reading scripture, going to church, believing in
love and righteousness is at an all time low, you want to attack those who hold
to having standards, and want to stop preaching

"Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand"

Rather than being the great liberator of the church, this sounds more like the
great apostacy, where lawlessness becomes the rule and love is trampled.

Today we need to humble ourselves and cry to God to not bring judgement on
these sinful people who think themselves rich but are following fornication, adultery,
and pornography like it is the answer to life itself.

But then if this rules your heart, no wonder preaching repentance would be
hypocracy.
 
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It's despicable, isn't it? To think we cannot come to God in our sin?
The one man who went away justified did just that. He said, have mercy on me, a sinner. And he went away justified.
We are so twisted, aren't we?
Sadly yes we are. We listen to our enemy to much, And do not take eh 1 and other "position" scriptures, and take them to heart.. We lack faith to many times.. and this causes us to turn to self. which is never a good thing..
 
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VVhat is the fine line between confidence in the flesh and self control? VVhen do we know we are relying too much on self instead of God, who does the sanctifying? That would be an interesting topic.

sounds like a much needed topic.. Because I fear many of us may not know