Bearing fruit

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here are some contrasting works, or fruits, be it unfruitful works of darkness, or of the Light and fruit of the Spirit...

Galatians 5:16-26[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another."

Ephesians 5:1-18
5 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
[SUP]9 [/SUP](For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

These are gifts of the Spirit given to members of the Body of Christ, these would be like talents given, each man according to his ability.

1 Corinthians 12 "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Good posts ISIT

This is a decent thread Im glad for it.

I thought it was pretty cool to see how death and darkness are used interchangeably in respects to where we can be either in loving not (or hating) our brother. Whereas life and light (the opposites) are used interchangeably in respects to either loving (or not hating) our brother. The passing over from death (use interchangably with darkness) unto life (used interchangably with light) contrasts between hate and love. Even hostility and peace shown in the mindedness of the two minds (whether of the carnally minded) and great hatred (which to be so is death) whereas passing from that unto life is that which is described in what is considered spiritually minded (which is life and peace). Like being translated from one place to another (but within) where the true light is to shine.

Heres a couple them

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Same shown here

1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

1 John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

Same between having life in them or abiding in death in contrast

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Or this way....


1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you,
that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

Again, even as you pointed out Ephes 1:2

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

This is love... ye should walk "in it"... which is to walk in love

Ephes 1:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Walking in the light, or walking in love, or walking in the truth even as these testified of the truth which was in them

3 John 1:3 For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth

Of which he had heard,

3 John 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth
The witness was of their charity

3 John 1:6 Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well

3 John 1:7 Because that for his name's sake they went forth, taking nothing of the Gentiles.

Walking in the light, in the truth even and not in darkness has also to do with walking in love and less to do with what we say( in word and tongue) but in deed and in truth. as it shows you can say anything.

We are being "perfected in love"

1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Same is shown here

1 John 4:9 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Charity itself being the bond of perfectness (and the greater between the big three) faith, hope, and charity

1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to bethe propitiation for our sins.

Then he continues

1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

Seeing that He loved us first is responding in the same

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Again, If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1 John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Great stuff in there as usual, God be blessed for ever.

Peace

 

[miknik5]

Here are some contrasting works, or fruits, be it unfruitful works of darkness, or of the Light and fruit of the Spirit...

Galatians 5:16-26[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another."

Ephesians 5:1-18
5 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
[SUP]9 [/SUP](For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Which is why we are supposed to bring all our works into the LIGHT so as to see/discern the works wrought in GOD...

If it isn't cast them off and press on for that upward call in CHRIST taking hold of HIM who took hold of us...unto the FULL MEASURE of CHRIST..fit for EVERY GOOD WORK which HE prepared in advance that we should walk in...

 

[Stephen63]

So why don't they admit the scriptures are right, and they are wrong, And why don't they do something about it, Like repent and get in line with the scriptures?.

Like I mentioned before, if their doctrine was true, they shouldn't be arguing with us at all, for our "sins" would be forgiven in the future just as they claim. They could easily say "it doesn't matter" to us, "for we are ALL saved". But they don't want it that way, it's not enough for them. They want their "Grace thru active faith" brethren labeled as legalists, therefore not saved at all. It's legalist or nothing.

Now, why is it so necessary for this hypergrace doctrine to be the "only" doctrine? Because of this:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

There's coming a time of judgement that has NEVER been in the history of the church.

3-4
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

This apostasy (falling away) is the falling away of countless numbers of christians who have rejected the truth concerning salvation & replaced the truth with false doctrine that would damn them. These "fallen away" ones will face the great tribulation, God's wrath for rejecting the true gospel.

These "christians" choose to be ignorant & believe lies that make of none effect the truth of the gospel.

Except there come a falling away first—We have the original word [FONT=&quot]αποστασια[/FONT] in our word apostasy; and by this term we understand a dereliction of the essential principles of religious truth—either a total abandonment of Christianity itself, or such a corruption of its doctrines as renders the whole system completely inefficient to salvation.Adam Clarke's Commentary.

IMO, both are true..... some totally abandon their faith, while others clutch a religion that corrupts salvation because they refuse to believe the truth. They water down faith until it's only a decision without fruit (works), and now they water down the grace until anyone can get & remain saved without dealing with sin. Of course we cannot forget universalism that believes anyone will be saved because regardless of who or what they believe, their good morals prove they're saved.

Lukewarm christians refuse to believe that God could ever judge them, just like Israel did before the 70 year captivity.

 

[PeterJens]

Like I mentioned before, if their doctrine was true, they shouldn't be arguing with us at all, for our "sins" would be forgiven in the future just as they claim. They could easily say "it doesn't matter" to us, "for we are ALL saved". But they don't want it that way, it's not enough for them. They want their "Grace thru active faith" brethren labeled as legalists, therefore not saved at all. It's legalist or nothing.

Only people who do not have love following out of their hearts use the legalist argument
against the righteous.

Now ex-legalists who now have lawlessness, sit in condemnation over anyone they believe
is like they used to be. The self deception is shown when you listen to their words which
have become hyper-legalist, and full of self condemnation. They hate themselves. There is
no grace in their ideals. Elijah "sinned" because he feared for his life, and ran away.

And I am a sinner everyday because I do not honour God in the right way, or this is how they
condemn themselves. Not surprisingly they teach all their followers to self-condemn and avoid
self actions, verses God actions. This is odd as God commanded us to love each other.
But this must be sin because I am loving, it must be God loving through me... It gets this
involved and confused, its enough to drive anyone nuts and truly lost.

Jesus called us to be like little children. Innocent, straight forward and honest.

 

[gb9]

Only people who do not have love following out of their hearts use the legalist argument
against the righteous.

Now ex-legalists who now have lawlessness, sit in condemnation over anyone they believe
is like they used to be. The self deception is shown when you listen to their words which
have become hyper-legalist, and full of self condemnation. They hate themselves. There is
no grace in their ideals. Elijah "sinned" because he feared for his life, and ran away.

And I am a sinner everyday because I do not honour God in the right way, or this is how they
condemn themselves. Not surprisingly they teach all their followers to self-condemn and avoid
self actions, verses God actions. This is odd as God commanded us to love each other.
But this must be sin because I am loving, it must be God loving through me... It gets this
involved and confused, its enough to drive anyone nuts and truly lost.

Jesus called us to be like little children. Innocent, straight forward and honest.

when I read the Bible, and see all the things that are listed as sins, and when I do ANY of them, even for 5 seconds, that makes me a sinner.

I use the Biblical definition of sin, that being falling short of a standard, missing the mark, knowing to do good and not doing so, this condems me as a sinner. as it does everyone. everyone. I do not excuse my own mistakes. I confess them and repent of them. no one is " sinless" according the Biblical definition of.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Good posts ISIT

This is a decent thread Im glad for it.

I thought it was pretty cool to see how death and darkness are used interchangeably in respects to where we can be either in loving not (or hating) our brother. Whereas life and light (the opposites) are used interchangeably in respects to either loving (or not hating) our brother. The passing over from death (use interchangably with darkness) unto life (used interchangably with light) contrasts between hate and love. Even hostility and peace shown in the mindedness of the two minds (whether of the carnally minded) and great hatred (which to be so is death) whereas passing from that unto life is that which is described in what is considered spiritually minded (which is life and peace). Like being translated from one place to another (but within) where the true light is to shine.

Heres a couple them

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Same shown here

1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

1 John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

Same between having life in them or abiding in death in contrast

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Or this way....


1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you,
that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

Again, even as you pointed out Ephes 1:2

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

This is love... ye should walk "in it"... which is to walk in love

Ephes 1:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Walking in the light, or walking in love, or walking in the truth even as these testified of the truth which was in them

3 John 1:3 For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth

Of which he had heard,

3 John 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth
The witness was of their charity

3 John 1:6 Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well

3 John 1:7 Because that for his name's sake they went forth, taking nothing of the Gentiles.

Walking in the light, in the truth even and not in darkness has also to do with walking in love and less to do with what we say( in word and tongue) but in deed and in truth. as it shows you can say anything.

We are being "perfected in love"

1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Same is shown here

1 John 4:9 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Charity itself being the bond of perfectness (and the greater between the big three) faith, hope, and charity

1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to bethe propitiation for our sins.

Then he continues

1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

Seeing that He loved us first is responding in the same

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Again, If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

1 John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Great stuff in there as usual, God be blessed for ever.

Peace

Thank you, and thanks for adding and bringing to light such great verses. No doubt sin is self serving, but love seeks not her own. Faith, hope, and love, but the greatest of these is love. Peace and God bless.

 

[royalscot]

Not sure how you saw someone saying we are justified by the works of the law in my quote from 1John? Unless you also are trying inject the ye ole straw man argument into those verses as well? Seems to be a popular thing to do around here. LOL

1 john is taking or writing to a jewish covert ,etc hence repent from law, ie do not take an animal to the temple.

prove you have a law,( act 15,) see acts 2 is for jewish people (only). already shows out of context, people who use this as a templet, so acts 2 is a are false quote.to a gentle, given it is not gentile to jew, but gentile to christian. and prove your a straw man. having no proof. but quoting out of context. only proves your bad teacher,lol



7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles.


act4 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

peter and john are praching a saviour, not a law, even though there is a temple of stone , there, they are preaching to jewish convert to repent with mouth. so they were not taking an animal to the temple, so that would go agaist jewish , law. etc etc

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

What is interesting about the prophecy of the falling away from the faith and "that Wicked" being revealed "in them" is the connection to Cain, and why Cain killed his "righteous" brother.

The mystery of iniquity was already at work when Paul spoke those words...

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"

We are told in 1 John 5:18 "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


That man of sin prophecy has to with the parable Jesus spoke concerning the last state of "that man" being a whole wicked generation. Now notice what was prophesied to come...

2 Timothy 3:1-5 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

We know by the power of God we can be transformed and set free from sin and sinning, but many reject this notion because they lack faith "in the power of God" to do so by faith in Jesus Christ. But notice it is said they would be "despisers of those that are good," which I believe makes a connection to that Wicked spirit as he was also working in Cain.

Notice Cain was of that Wicked spirit, and also notice why Cain killed Abel.....


1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

So basically we see the 2 tree example of good vs. evil in Cain and Abel. A good tree that brings forth righteous fruit, but a bad tree that brings forth evil. And the evil doers hates those who "do good", same as was prophesied.

But notice what God had instructed Cain after he became angry and his countenance had fallen...


Genesis 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."


And we know that Satan's desire was carried out in Cain, when he killed his righteous brother. And sin ruling over him, and over those who are of that wicked is shown in sin reigning unto death (mystery of iniquity) but those who are in Christ (the righteous seed) shall reign unto Eternal Life.

Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[royalscot]

context is out, split between two ministies,
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men
(jesus fixed condemnation for all men romans 8v1)

returning to law, is showed when paul said gal 5 v 1,2,3

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

1 john is taking or writing to a jewish covert ,etc hence repent from law, ie do not take an animal to the temple.

prove you have a law,( act 15,) see acts 2 is for jewish people (only). already shows out of context, people who use this as a templet, so acts 2 is a are false quote.to a gentle, given it is not gentile to jew, but gentile to christian. and prove your a straw man. having no proof. but quoting out of context. only proves your bad teacher,lol



7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles.


act4 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

peter and john are praching a saviour, not a law, even though there is a temple of stone , there, they are preaching to jewish convert to repent with mouth. so they were not taking an animal to the temple, so that would go agaist jewish , law. etc etc

Here is my original post you responded to, as you suggested being about being justified by the law....

Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth

It all goes back to walking in the Light of the Truth....

1 John 5 "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

So as long as you abide in the Light of the Truth, you also abide in Christ.

What do these verses have anything to with being justified by works of the law, or animal sacrifices as you suggest? LOL

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

context is out, split between two ministies,
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men
(jesus fixed condemnation for all men romans 8v1)

returning to law, is showed when paul said gal 5 v 1,2,3

No one here is preaching we are justified by the works of the law of Moses. Truly you are confused, and making no sense.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

No one here is preaching we are justified by the works of the law of Moses. Truly you are confused, and making no sense.

Makes no sense to me either if its any consolation to you lol!

 

[royalscot]

No one here is preaching we are justified by the works of the law of Moses. Truly you are confused, and making no sense.

1 john is taking or writing to a jewish covert ,etc hence repent from law, ie do not take an animal to the temple.

so why are you quoting 1 john. would the whole book, have to be in context , to both jew and gentiles. lol

new covenant.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

The blood of Christ is quoted in here

I dont believe the blood of Christ is speaking of the blood of bulls and goats and all.

I cant figure out anyones problem with this

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

ISIT quotes John 1:5-7 and you respond to him saying

two different ministries. being preached to. at this time in history. jews and gentiles , who are called christian believers.
paul talking to peter in gal 7

On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles.

Jumping to 15 here

Justified by Faith
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners;16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.Galatians 2

12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."Acts 4


70 ad most of the apostles are dead or myartered for there belief in jesus christ.

I have to agree with ISIT here

Why on earth would you respond to walking in the light in 1 John 5-7 (where it speaks of the blood of Jesus Christ cleansing us from all sin) in this manner?

When John himself said earlier in 1 John 2:2

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The blood of Christ is quoted in here

I dont believe the blood of Christ is speaking of the blood of bulls and goats and all.

I cant figure out anyones problem with this

Reminds me of that old movie Cool hand Luke, where the guy says "what we seem to have here is a failure to communicate." LOL

 

[royalscot]

ISIT quotes John 1:5-7 and you respond to him saying




I have to agree with ISIT here

Why on earth would you respond to walking in the light in 1 John 5-7 (where it speaks of the blood of Jesus Christ cleansing us from all sin) in this manner?

When John himself said earlier in 1 John 2:2

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world

if john is talking about sin, then acts 15( gentiles) has already told you, we don t have the law of moses.

1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.Acts 15

.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."



so if both are saved by grace, jew and gentile. now called christian. (heb 9 v16)

paul taking with paul
the new covenant is being preached but not yet understood, by some. gal ch 2,ch 3 ch 4 ch 5.

so 1 john must be writing to jewish convert given the temple of stone is in place.etc

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

No one is preaching against bacon, or for circumcision, or sabbaths and the blood of bulls and goats, so I havent a clue why Moses is being dragged into the conversation when it is speaking of the blood of Christ.

If the blood of Jesus is considered Moses I have no idea where to go with that one.