Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh

[UnderGrace]

So true LadyLynn, even our own motivations no matter how pure we believe they may be, are linked to the flesh, living a life in Christ is the first order of the day.

From there any good we do will come from a place where the only motivator is Jesus within us.

For he who looks into the perfect law of liberty (Jesus) and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will blessed in what he does.
James 1:25

We need to accept that only God can see this difference within us and this is why it is so important to understand that being a fruit inspector is not our job.

There are many many religious people, even outside of Christianity that display what looks like fruits of the spirit, even Satan can disguise himself as an agent of light.

Yes indeed let us move forward learning who we are in Christ, this pleases Him soooo much, in doing this we give Him our true worship and adoration.

AND..... when you realize that INSIDE.. you actually lack that kind of love for others AND actual real and solid loyalty and love for the One who saved you because of the weakness of the flesh., that's when I began wondering what is going on with my idea of the Christian life and walk?????????????? How have I been living my Christian life? Have I lived it through my weak flesh and now have finally seen the huge mistake?!!! It was all vanity without the power of Christ living through me.

If I'm going to live a life in Christ that is real and that matters., He has to show me HOW to love Him the way He has been showing me He loves me and how to do it from a true heart. For that IS my true desire but I was weak not only in the flesh but in the understanding of how it all worked.

He has given us a new heart and it's our job to work OUT what HE put IN. We have it., it was a gift., now we have to learn about who we are now IN Christ., and walk in the spirit. No more like we always did and are used to... from our flesh. Many of us have walked in the flesh most of our lives and it left a major impression on us although it is not the substance of who we are anymore the flesh still influences us just by us still having it. One preacher I heard years ago called it an "earth suit"

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Thoughts about Repentance: Teshuvah, Metanoia, and Strepho

This is beyond me and my language understanding. I can only rely on what others have
said on this subject.

Ah, I see what he means that you cannot think the word used in relation to "God repented" to mean the same thing. He says it literally means: to turn to God. It is silly to think that God needs to turn to God.

I am going to read the whole thing but just in the first few paragraphs I've read, the sense I get by taking the Hebrew and the Greek both into consideration, it means...to turn from the course you are on and to turn to God. This is what I do when He gives me understanding about what I am doing that is not of faith in Him. I turn back to faith in Him and turn from what I was doing or thinking that was something other than trust in Him alone.

 

[UnderGrace]

[SUP]2 cor 11:

2 [/SUP]But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Exactly!!!!

 

[Angela53510]

I grow so weary of your slander of those who share the simple Gospel. Your post above has been reported.



Wow.

You totally missed the mark on this one, PJ.

The wiki article you reference is about Greek rhetoric, not the Biblical use of the Greek word, metanoia.

A more relevant discussion of the Biblical definition of metanoia is found in this wiki article:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metanoia_(theology)

And the simple Biblical definition for metanoia can be found here:

• Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon - G3341 - metanoia

Who is using Greek to define Hebrew? The New Covenant Scriptures were written in Greek.

And trying to link the Biblical definition of metanoia using an article on Greek rhetoric which links metanoia to a goddess in efforts to further slander those who PROPERLY define repentance is beyond the pale. Shame. On. You.


-JGIG

I think what Peter is trying to say, is that we can NOT strictly stick to the Greek definition of the word when interpreting Scripture. Because the Classical Greek definition of metanoia "change of mind" has somewhat different connotations than the word used in the Septuagint to replace Hebrew words like Shub and Nacham. In addition, teshuvah is related to repentance in Hebrew. These Hebrew words were then translated into Greek in the LXX, and the Greek retained their Hebrew meanings, while layering the meaning of the Classical Greek words.



"THE THEME OF THE JEWISH HIGH HOLIDAYS is teshuvah (תְּשׁוּבָה), a word often translated as "repentance," though it's more accurately understood as turning back (shuv) to God. The root of this verb occurs nearly 1,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures and first occurs when God told Adam he would "return to the earth" (Gen. 3:19). In spiritual terms, shuv may be regarded as a practical turning away from evil and a turning toward the good, though Jewish thinking regards turning to God as the means by which we turn away from evil. This act of turning has the power to redirect a person's destiny. It effects the whole life of the soul. As Abraham Heschel wrote, "No word is God's final word. Judgment, far from being absolute, is conditional. A change in man's conduct brings about a change in God's judgment" (Heschel: The Prophets, 194). In the ancient Greek translation of the Jewish Scriptures (i.e., the Septuagint, or LXX), shuv is translated using the word strepho (στρέφω), which means to turn around, or to turn back to God.


Notice that Shub, above, is the practical turning away from evil, and a turning towards God, though Jewish thinking regards turning to God as the means by which we are to turn away from evil. It affects the person's destiny and soul.
The rest of the above article continues:

"A related word in Hebrew is nacham (נָחַם), which is often associated with the emotion of regret(in the old King James Version of the Bible, nacham is sometimes confusingly translated using the word "repent"). Some linguists suggest that the root idea of the verb pictures God "taking a deep breath" (or even sighing) as way of expressing regret or feeling compassion in response to an offense by others. Thus we read, "And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth (וַיִּנָּחֶם יְהוָה כִּי־עָשָׂה אֶת־הָאָדָם בָּאָרֶץ), and it grieved him to his heart" (Gen. 6:6). Speaking anthropomorphically, God "consoled himself" (nacham also means to comfort) by changing his thinking and plan. God's "regret" was His "answer" or response to the sinful choices of human beings.
Since it is absurd to say that God needs to repent from sin or that He morally regrets His actions, the meaning of nacham must be qualified when it is applied to man. Regret over sin is a state of sorrow that belongs exclusively to morally free human beings. Therefore the prophet Job uttered, "I abhor myself and repent (נחם) in dust and ashes" (Job 42:6). In the ancient Greek translation of the Scriptures, the word nacham was usually translated using the word metanoia (μετάνοια) or sometimes μεταμέλομαι. Metanoia is a compound word that comes from 'μετα' (after, with) and 'νοεω' (to think), which means "changing your thinking," (though it also can mean "going beyond (meta) your thinking" to access the realm of your heart). In other words, the word implies that how we think will affect how we make decisions (judgments), and therefore repentance means acknowledging that we are cognitively mistaken about the nature of reality (i.e., there is a divinely sanctioned moral order, and we are guilty of violating that order and in a state of profound alienation until we are divinely reconciled). Our change of mind - if genuine - will lead to a change of heart.'
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Holidays/Fall_Holidays/Elul/Teshuvah/teshuvah.htmlNotice words like "regret, sorrow, grief over sin." And that true repentance means admitting how wrong we are about our actions until we are reconciled. In the true and fullest sense of the word repentance, there is no "your" or "my" mind. Instead, repentance is about a change of mind, which goes from the thoughts found in a life without Christ -a life full of sin and death. That change is motivated by the Holy Spirit's effectual calling, from sin to righteousness, which leads to the change of heart from serving sin, to obeying God.

So yes, in a sense, Metanoia means "change of mind." But it is clearly laid out in the OT, both Hebrew and in the LXX to be a change from sin and evil to righteousness and obedience to God. Not some amorphous change from nothing in particular to being happy for something? I'm still learning about what hypergrace teachers believe, and finding out how wrong it is and how twisted its interpretation of the Bible, particularly in the original languages is. I guess the fine art of eisegesis is well and good within hypergrace. Take something you want the Bible to say, and read into it! And of course, the next step, flood a forum with this wrong doctrine, and win converts to your heresy.

(Sorry JGIG, not speaking about you in my last comments, but yet warning you that you are allied with the wrong people and some very seriously bad doctrines with Joseph Prince!)

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I am begging you angela, please stop calling your brothers and sisters heretics who are flooding the forum with heresy. They are speaking of total reliance on God for growing holiness. Please stop this.

 

[UnderGrace]

Interesting that Jesus said "repent and believe."

[SUP]14 [/SUP]After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!” Mark 1:14-15

Also interesting there were preachers that used to preach this.

Pastor Harry Ironside (1876-1951) Has it Correct
Please read the following excellent explanation of the Gospel by former Moody Memorial Church pastor, Harry A. Ironside (1876-1951)...

“The Gospel is not a call to repentance, or to amendment of our ways, to make restitution for past sins, or to promise to do better in the future. These things are proper in their place, but they do not constitute the Gospel; for the Gospel is not good advice to be obeyed, it is good news to be believed. Do not make the mistake then of thinking that the Gospel is a call to duty or a call to reformation, a call to better your condition, to behave yourself in a more perfect way than you have been doing in the past …
Nor is the Gospel a demand that you give up the world, that you give up your sins, that you break off bad habits, and try to cultivate good ones. You may do all these things, and yet never believe the Gospel and consequently never be saved at all.”
SOURCE: Dr. Harry A. Ironside, from the sermon: What Is The Gospel?
​

 

[UnderGrace]

I am so thankful that the grace preachers (abounding grace, hyper grace are whatever derogatory names are used) are bucking the trend of Load-ship preachers and teaching again that our true salvation is complete, AND changing one's mind, believing and abiding in the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ is what brings the victory won for us by Him.

I did not have to clean myself up BEFORE, or AFTER when I first repented and believed, because He paid for all my sins and all the condemnation attached to them.

I am free to live in His Love, He has cleansed me once and for all time!

Why, because He is a Mighty Saviour, He wants me to respond to His Love and Truth, the more I respond the more He gives.

That is obedience.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I am so thankful that the grace preachers (abounding grace, hyper grace are whatever derogatory names are used) are bucking the trend of Load-ship preachers and teaching again that our true salvation is complete, AND changing one's mind, believing and abiding in the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ is what brings the victory won for us by Him.

I did not have to clean myself up BEFORE, or AFTER when I first repented and believed, because He paid for all my sins and all the condemnation attached to them.

I am free to live in His Love, He has cleansed me once and for all time!

Why, because He is a Mighty Saviour, He wants me to respond to His Love and Truth, the more I respond the more He gives.

That is obedience.

The obedience of faith/trust in Him.
Since this is the ONLY thing He wants from you - that you believe in and trust the One He sent!

 

[UnderGrace]

The obedience of faith/trust in Him.
Since this is the ONLY thing He wants from you - that you believe in and trust the One He sent!

Amen Sister... Amen!!

 

[JGIG]

So you can be saved by just existing as a sinner, no faith, no response, no deeds, no fruit, no understanding, no love, no change, no praise, no choice?

Think of the two thieves crucified either side of Jesus. One was saved because he showed faith
and asked Jesus to remember him. That was very much an active request. You appear lost in
trying to defend your theology rather than accepting real life and relationships, a two way street.

Again, just wow.

Your example contradicts your assertion.

The thief believed that Christ was Who He said He was. And Christ said that the thief would be with Him.

Faith - putting one's trust in - is changing one's mind and heart - Biblically defined repentance - is what the thief did.

Hanging on that cross, he had NO OPPORTUNITY to respond, perform deeds, bear fruit, more deeply understand what had just transpired, to love anyone, to change his behavior, praise, choose any other path in life . . .

He simply believed. And Christ ACCEPTED him.

So yes, one can be saved by just existing as a sinner. That's the whole point.

6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. (from Rom. 5)​

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Originally Posted by PeterJens

JGIG - I am sorry. Please forgive me if I have upset you, it was not my intention.


Ha! You didn't upset me - you slandered me and everyone here who preaches the Gospel that Paul preached. It's not me Who you should be apologizing to, but to God, Who in His Grace and Mercy came to save us.

Originally Posted by PeterJens
I made an observation about how blessed people are and how common our experiences in
the Lord are.​

No, you didn't, you engaged in outright slander:

Originally Posted by PeterJens

Hyper grace always want to redefine the meanings of words and create new assumptions to everything in christian faith in the belief the problem in the world is not sin but legalism.

So convinced are they with this conclusion, they post meaningless videos, that attempt
to reinterpret Gods word and devalue what Jesus said.

They need to do this, or else love might break out in their hearts and they might repent
of their false distortions and twisting of scripture and just accept Jesus died for our sins
and desires we walk in love, righteousness, and purity.​

___________________________________

Originally Posted by PeterJens
Now the problem with language, is context around the meaning of words in important.
In some languages the ending of the word is critical, others the words around it etc.

What I am pointing out is greek is obviously very contextual to get the right meaning
from the word.

It is therefore dangerous to read too much into a word in isolation, "changing your mind"
and say that is what the writer is exclusively meaning. ​

So context for you includes referring to Greek Rhetoric and pulling some story about a goddess to attempt to redefine repentance to your liking? Really?

The BIBLICAL definition of repentance:

Originally Posted by PeterJens
And you accuse me of slander and sin. What you are doing here is a personal attack on
me and an attempt to say I have breached some rule. Is this the rule to agree with
your interpretation of everything?

God bless you, may Christs love shine upon you, and you find His saving grace, His walk
in love and purity.​

PJ, you have REPEATEDLY been told what we believe - post after post after post - and then write things completely opposite of what we have clearly communicated to you, always accusing, never providing proof for your assertions. You falsely represent what we believe on a public forum - that IS slander.

And as for the personal attack on you - NO. You're being a 'cry-bully', one who bullies others, and when called on the carpet for it, claims to be the victim.

Start quoting actual posts and responding to actual people instead of continuing this passive-aggressive, slanderous demagoguery in which you engage. And I'm not buying your parting platitudes of "God bless you, may Christs love shine upon you, and you find His saving grace, His walk in love and purity." You write to me and others here as if we have not yet come to Christ - stating that we need to FIND His saving grace - adding insult to the slander.

Not only do I think that you don't read what we write, I don't think you read what YOU write, either!

-JGIG

 

[PeterJens]

Again, just wow.
Your example contradicts your assertion.
The thief believed that Christ was Who He said He was. And Christ said that the thief would be with Him.
Faith - putting one's trust in - is changing one's mind and heart - Biblically defined repentance - is what the thief did.
Hanging on that cross, he had NO OPPORTUNITY to respond, perform deeds, bear fruit, more deeply understand what had just transpired, to love anyone, to change his behavior, praise, choose any other path in life . . .
He simply believed. And Christ ACCEPTED him.
So yes, one can be saved by just existing as a sinner. That's the whole point.

6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. (from Rom. 5)​

-JGIG

So you can be saved by just existing as a sinner, no faith, no response, no deeds, no fruit, no understanding, no love, no change, no praise, no choice?

gb9 was apparently claiming being a christian is just being a sinner.
The thief on the cross, had faith, had a response to what he saw, he had fruit - a desire
to be with Jesus, he accepted he was guilty of sin and Jesus was not, he had
understanding of His place before God, he had love for Jesus, seeing an innocent die, he
had praise for Jesus, and he exercised a choice, he asked Jesus to remember him.

All this was changed behaviour. I think you have just exposed you bias, and lack of insight.

 

[UnderGrace]

Thank you JGIG!

A much needed statement of truth!

the display of our works does not save us,
believing in our works does not save us,
our works do not keep us saved,
they never did and never will.

Again, just wow.

Your example contradicts your assertion.

The thief believed that Christ was Who He said He was. And Christ said that the thief would be with Him.

Faith - putting one's trust in - is changing one's mind and heart - Biblically defined repentance - is what the thief did.

Hanging on that cross, he had NO OPPORTUNITY to respond, perform deeds, bear fruit, more deeply understand what had just transpired, to love anyone, to change his behavior, praise, choose any other path in life . . .

He simply believed. And Christ ACCEPTED him.

So yes, one can be saved by just existing as a sinner. That's the whole point.

6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. (from Rom. 5)​

-JGIG

 

[oldethennew]

The new testament is written about Jesus's ministry 3 years, Pauls letters, Peter, John etc.
This covers 20-30 years. It is all founded on the old testament and the definitions of religion held
there. Jesus is the fulfillment of Israel, the Law and the Prophets.
So all the concepts are embedded in 2000 years of history and experience. So everything in the new
testament in Greek is referring back to concepts in Hebrew. You cannot therefore define a religious
word in this context from a different language and talk as if it is in isolation. Jesus is part of the
whole Israel and Gods work in that testimony. That is my point.

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this is exactly the point, any expert of the Hebrew and Greek language will tell you that there are many
Hebraic expressions embedded in the language, which will make absolutely no sense to any 'English'
thinking mind...a good example is, 'an evil eye' - in the 'English-Greek' way of thinking, this comes across
as someone looking at someone with evil intent or a witch-craft-curse.,.,,but, in Hebraic thinking,
a good eye simply means that someone is very generous when he looks upon his goods or wealth,,
but someone with an 'evil-eye', looks upon his wealth in a greedy and covetous manner...

the ideas are as far as from the east to the west - but if you read the context, the Hebraic interpretation
makes perfect sense...

another example is, 'binding and loosing', - it is simply not allowed if you bind something, if you
loose something, it means that it is permitted...there is such a multitude of these oddities in the scripture,
and that is because, we have a 'Jewish Culture and Language' being 'RECORDED' in a different language,...

is it any wonder why many don't or can't comprehend? it takes a diligent application of fulfilling the scripture,
'to study the scriptures to show yourself approved to God'...and we confess, that we are myriads away
from understanding all of the 'depths-riches-wisdom-knowledge-love', contained in the precious, wonderful,
Words of God Almighty...

 

[PeterJens]

Originally Posted by PeterJens

JGIG - I am sorry. Please forgive me if I have upset you, it was not my intention.

Ha! You didn't upset me - you slandered me and everyone here who preaches the Gospel that Paul preached.

Please tell me JGIG. I feel your anger, I feel you annoyance. You have aligned yourself
with Paul and said I am against his gospel. Not sure what you mean by this. Did Paul preach
something different from Jesus, Peter, James, John etc?

I am suggesting that there might be an emotional problem in your lives. To date everyone who
has come out in a similar fashion to yourself has had serious issues in their past.

Emotions and pain blinds people. It means a safe place is to just hold on to acceptance and ones
position and blast away. That is what you are doing now, very personally.

Please tell me my issues.

If you are saying you love from the heart, are the same on the inside and the outside then amen.
But I suspect unfortunately this is a problem for you and you just lit up.

And what you actually believe with redefined words, mystical interpretations could be 100% different
from me. I have been amazed at how this actually has been shown.

The latest one was we are spirit. I do not believe this. We have a soul and our spirit or emotions can
be happy or sad etc. As soon as you start talking about people having a spirit, you start on the idea
we are actually eternal, we are like the angels etc. which is not true.

 

[Grace777x70]

There is no doubt we are a spirit, we have a soul and we live in this body on earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Luke 1:46-47 (NASB)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord,

[SUP]47 [/SUP] And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.


Romans 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10[/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.


We are made in the image of God - God is a spirit Jesus said.


Proverbs 20:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.


There are lot's of scripture that show this reality.

 

[PeterJens]

Why is it someone has to have a spirit separate from their soul?

When you die you spirit goes one way and your soul the other.
Split personality to say the least, lol.

 

[oldethennew]

There is no doubt we are a spirit, we have a soul and we live in this body on earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Luke 1:46-47 (NASB)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord,

[SUP]47 [/SUP] And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.


Romans 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10[/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.


We are made in the image of God - God is a spirit Jesus said.

Proverbs 20:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.


There are lot's of scripture that...

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this is nothing more than greek mythlogy, Brothers and Sisters, put on your
breast-plate, you are being deceived and dogged by the wiley one...

as it is written:
'The soul than sinneth shall die'..,

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

There is no doubt we are a spirit, we have a soul and we live in this body on earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Luke 1:46-47 (NASB)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord,

[SUP]47 [/SUP] And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.


Romans 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10[/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.


We are made in the image of God - God is a spirit Jesus said.

Proverbs 20:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.


There are lot's of scripture that...

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this is nothing more than greek mythlogy, Brothers and Sisters, put on your
breast-plate, you are being deceived and dogged by the wiley one...

as it is written:
'The soul than sinneth shall die'..,

Those are scriptures...how do you get that they are greek mythology...?

 

[Grace777x70]

There is no doubt we are a spirit, we have a soul and we live in this body on earth.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


Luke 1:46-47 (NASB)
[SUP]46 [/SUP] And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord,

[SUP]47 [/SUP] And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.


Romans 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10[/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.


We are made in the image of God - God is a spirit Jesus said.

Proverbs 20:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.


There are lot's of scripture that...

Those are scriptures...how do you get that they are greek mythology...?

I have no idea...it baffles me.....the scriptures are plain...once scriptures turn into greek mythology in some people's minds - I don't know what to say...Just have to let the scriptures speak for themselves.

Maybe they go against what some people were taught in their religious upbringing and it angers them to hear something different?..I don't have a clue really why people would deny it...but that's between them and their God.