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~ hypocrisy ~

Projecting again.



Yes, the Bible does say to fight the good fight by speaking the TRUTH. And that's what you are getting from me.

You're welcome.
Ya...I'm not sure I'd go that far.
 

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Ya...I'm not sure I'd go that far.



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[h=1]Trump Accused Of A Federal Crime On Same Day He Accepts The Republican Nomination[/h]By Jason Easley on Thu, Jul 21st, 2016 at 10:27 am
Donald Trump is facing a new complaint that his use of the Trump Organization to do his campaign work is a violation of federal law.


Trump Accused Of A Federal Crime On Same Day He Accepts The Republican Nomination



Donald Trump is facing a new complaint that his use of the Trump Organization to do his campaign work is a violation of federal law.The Democratic Coalition Against Trump announced their FEC complaint against the GOP nominee in a statement:

This morning the Democratic Coalition Against Trump filed a federal campaign complaint against Donald Trump’s Presidential campaign with the Federal Elections Commission. The complaint alleges five violations including illegally accepting direct corporate contributions, accepting services from a volunteer that were actually compensated, use of the Trump corporate name or trademark to facilitate campaign contributions, illegal use of corporate facilities by a campaign volunteer, and knowingly allowing volunteers to exceed the transportation expense limit.
Meredith McIver, a speechwriter for the Trump campaign, released her plagiarism apology letter yesterday made on the Trump Organization letterhead that stated she was working via the corporation to perform campaign responsibilities. The Trump campaign responded to calls from the Coalition for clarification, where Trump’s spokesman claimed that McIver was serving in a volunteer capacity to the campaign.Scott Dworkin, Senior Advisor to the Coalition, said, “McIver offered her resignation from her full-time job with the Trump Organization, not from the Trump campaign. If she was a volunteer for the campaign, then there should have been no job to resign from.”Jon Cooper, Chairman of the Coalition, said “This incident is reminiscent of the John Edwards campaign-finance scandal, which likewise involved work paid for by a corporation for a presidential campaign. As such, it is very troubling.”The Trump campaign has already announced that they plan to allow corporations to take over the federal government if Trump wins the election. According to Chris Christie, Trump is already making a list of civil servants to fire who he will replace with corporate employees, that will be allowed to keep their corporate jobs, and also work for the government.Donald Trump sees no line between the public and private sectors. His presidential campaign and his business interests have been mashed together in a way that should deeply concern the American people. Trump doesn’t believe in the public good.The fact that any employee of the Trump Organization was “volunteering” for the Trump campaign, but when the plagiarism scandal broke offered to resign from her corporate job is proof that Trump is violating campaign finance laws.It is revealing that every nickname about a political opponent that Donald Trump creates describes a behavior that he is engaging in.Trump is a pathological liar, but he nicknamed Ted Cruz “Lyin’ Ted.” Trump said Jeb Bush has low energy when he barely campaigns three days a week. Trump has tried to make the “Crooked Hillary” nickname, but he is the candidate who is engaged in corruption.On the day that Trump will formally accept the Republican presidential nomination, it is fitting that he faces a new complaint of more illegal activity.Donald Trump has provided ample evidence that he is the most untrustworthy and corrupt major party nominee in modern American political history.





​That latter point I made earlier in which I quoted several REPUBLICANS who said it.
 

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I watched almost all of the Donald Trump speech tonight. A solid, if not spectacular speech that covered all the basics. Being a New Yorker, and more importantly, agreeing with mot of what he said, I do hope and pray he get elected.
I especially liked the part of no middle eastern immigrants unless they are vetted, and vetted well.
 
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Trump delivered a great speach from the heart!
 
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Trump Accused Of A Federal Crime On Same Day He Accepts The Republican Nomination

By Jason Easley on Thu, Jul 21st, 2016 at 10:27 am
Donald Trump is facing a new complaint that his use of the Trump Organization to do his campaign work is a violation of federal law.


Trump Accused Of A Federal Crime On Same Day He Accepts The Republican Nomination



Donald Trump is facing a new complaint that his use of the Trump Organization to do his campaign work is a violation of federal law.The Democratic Coalition Against Trump announced their FEC complaint against the GOP nominee in a statement:

This morning the Democratic Coalition Against Trump filed a federal campaign complaint against Donald Trump’s Presidential campaign with the Federal Elections Commission. The complaint alleges five violations including illegally accepting direct corporate contributions, accepting services from a volunteer that were actually compensated, use of the Trump corporate name or trademark to facilitate campaign contributions, illegal use of corporate facilities by a campaign volunteer, and knowingly allowing volunteers to exceed the transportation expense limit.
Meredith McIver, a speechwriter for the Trump campaign, released her plagiarism apology letter yesterday made on the Trump Organization letterhead that stated she was working via the corporation to perform campaign responsibilities. The Trump campaign responded to calls from the Coalition for clarification, where Trump’s spokesman claimed that McIver was serving in a volunteer capacity to the campaign.Scott Dworkin, Senior Advisor to the Coalition, said, “McIver offered her resignation from her full-time job with the Trump Organization, not from the Trump campaign. If she was a volunteer for the campaign, then there should have been no job to resign from.”Jon Cooper, Chairman of the Coalition, said “This incident is reminiscent of the John Edwards campaign-finance scandal, which likewise involved work paid for by a corporation for a presidential campaign. As such, it is very troubling.”The Trump campaign has already announced that they plan to allow corporations to take over the federal government if Trump wins the election. According to Chris Christie, Trump is already making a list of civil servants to fire who he will replace with corporate employees, that will be allowed to keep their corporate jobs, and also work for the government.Donald Trump sees no line between the public and private sectors. His presidential campaign and his business interests have been mashed together in a way that should deeply concern the American people. Trump doesn’t believe in the public good.The fact that any employee of the Trump Organization was “volunteering” for the Trump campaign, but when the plagiarism scandal broke offered to resign from her corporate job is proof that Trump is violating campaign finance laws.It is revealing that every nickname about a political opponent that Donald Trump creates describes a behavior that he is engaging in.Trump is a pathological liar, but he nicknamed Ted Cruz “Lyin’ Ted.” Trump said Jeb Bush has low energy when he barely campaigns three days a week. Trump has tried to make the “Crooked Hillary” nickname, but he is the candidate who is engaged in corruption.On the day that Trump will formally accept the Republican presidential nomination, it is fitting that he faces a new complaint of more illegal activity.Donald Trump has provided ample evidence that he is the most untrustworthy and corrupt major party nominee in modern American political history.





​That latter point I made earlier in which I quoted several REPUBLICANS who said it.
Are those the same republicans who've been selling us a bill of goods for the last 16 years?
 
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Trump Accused Of A Federal Crime On Same Day He Accepts The Republican Nomination

By Jason Easley on Thu, Jul 21st, 2016 at 10:27 am
Donald Trump is facing a new complaint that his use of the Trump Organization to do his campaign work is a violation of federal law.


Trump Accused Of A Federal Crime On Same Day He Accepts The Republican Nomination



Donald Trump is facing a new complaint that his use of the Trump Organization to do his campaign work is a violation of federal law.The Democratic Coalition Against Trump announced their FEC complaint against the GOP nominee in a statement:

This morning the Democratic Coalition Against Trump filed a federal campaign complaint against Donald Trump’s Presidential campaign with the Federal Elections Commission. The complaint alleges five violations including illegally accepting direct corporate contributions, accepting services from a volunteer that were actually compensated, use of the Trump corporate name or trademark to facilitate campaign contributions, illegal use of corporate facilities by a campaign volunteer, and knowingly allowing volunteers to exceed the transportation expense limit.
Meredith McIver, a speechwriter for the Trump campaign, released her plagiarism apology letter yesterday made on the Trump Organization letterhead that stated she was working via the corporation to perform campaign responsibilities. The Trump campaign responded to calls from the Coalition for clarification, where Trump’s spokesman claimed that McIver was serving in a volunteer capacity to the campaign.Scott Dworkin, Senior Advisor to the Coalition, said, “McIver offered her resignation from her full-time job with the Trump Organization, not from the Trump campaign. If she was a volunteer for the campaign, then there should have been no job to resign from.”Jon Cooper, Chairman of the Coalition, said “This incident is reminiscent of the John Edwards campaign-finance scandal, which likewise involved work paid for by a corporation for a presidential campaign. As such, it is very troubling.”The Trump campaign has already announced that they plan to allow corporations to take over the federal government if Trump wins the election. According to Chris Christie, Trump is already making a list of civil servants to fire who he will replace with corporate employees, that will be allowed to keep their corporate jobs, and also work for the government.Donald Trump sees no line between the public and private sectors. His presidential campaign and his business interests have been mashed together in a way that should deeply concern the American people. Trump doesn’t believe in the public good.The fact that any employee of the Trump Organization was “volunteering” for the Trump campaign, but when the plagiarism scandal broke offered to resign from her corporate job is proof that Trump is violating campaign finance laws.It is revealing that every nickname about a political opponent that Donald Trump creates describes a behavior that he is engaging in.Trump is a pathological liar, but he nicknamed Ted Cruz “Lyin’ Ted.” Trump said Jeb Bush has low energy when he barely campaigns three days a week. Trump has tried to make the “Crooked Hillary” nickname, but he is the candidate who is engaged in corruption.On the day that Trump will formally accept the Republican presidential nomination, it is fitting that he faces a new complaint of more illegal activity.Donald Trump has provided ample evidence that he is the most untrustworthy and corrupt major party nominee in modern American political history.





​That latter point I made earlier in which I quoted several REPUBLICANS who said it.
These are serious charges. It's treasonous!
 
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I'm from Australia and personally I think both your options are bad. Really.
But in saying that, I'd prefer you guys have Trump, at least he "seems" to have a drive and goal -- he may be a blessing, just wait and see, I guess..
Hillary, she's a devil waiting to show the world.
 

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So....talk is cheap. While Hillary supports abortion clinics and has never stood up for women's rights, Trump does and has been paying women equal salaries as men and has more female CEOs than male ones. Many companies still today pay women less than men for the same job. Also, Trump seems to give women more maternity benefits than required by law.
While I am still not convinced of his ability to be political enough to run the country you can't argue that he seems to be ahead of the curve in the treatment of women who work in his companies.
 

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Donald Trump needed to give the speech of his life. He did that, and much more. He laid out an inspiring American Manifesto for our troubled times.
And he did it his way.
Not surprisingly, from start to finish, it is muscular and bold, leavened only by appeals to racial harmony and pledges of compassion for all. It offers a prominent nod to Bernie Sanders’ supporters in a bid to get some to jump the Democratic ship.
Most important, it keeps faith with his campaign themes of putting forgotten Americans first. In contrasting his view with his opponent’s, the Republican nominee put it this way: “Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.”
And “I am your voice.”
And then this: “There can be no prosperity without law and order.”
On paper, the speech is powerful, and it was delivered with all the might Trump could muster. Passionate and occasionally strident, then mellow and playful, he revealed a full Trump Doctrine that weaves together what has often seemed random threads and instincts into a more coherent vision.
He would unleash America’s energy production, use trade deals to help blue-collar workers and fix the broken immigration system so that cheap labor doesn’t undercut wages and overwhelm our social safety net.
He would ensure public safety, rebuild the military and destroy global terrorism. And he forcefully and repeatedly cemented the image of the GOP as the pro-police party, a strong contrast with Democrats, who are recklessly becoming the anti-police party.
Trump laid out such a huge undertaking, sweeping in its goals and potential impacts, that achieving even half of it would lead to an economic revival and end the nation’s crisis of confidence. If he focused on just what he outlined last night, and he should, Trump would be a very busy man every minute for the next four years.
In that context, he addressed the inevitable sense that little change can come in a nation so polarized and gridlocked by reminding the raucous convention that he wasn’t even supposed to be standing before them. And in a line that captured his remarkable attack on the political status quo, he said, “The politicians have talked about this for years, but I’m going to do it.”
There is, at this point, no reason to believe he doesn’t mean every word of it. Whatever his past habits and lifestyle, whatever caricature he has been reduced to, the seriousness of his purpose is no longer in doubt. He is a man on a mission.
As befits an acceptance speech, the promises flowed like water, yet the important things stand out. This one, from his prepared remarks, was especially powerful: “On January 20th of 2017, the day after I take the oath of office, Americans will finally wake up in a country where the laws of the United States are enforced.”
He was blistering on Hillary Clinton, saying her legacy as secretary of state was “death, destruction, terrorism and weakness.” Nor did he spare President Obama, accusing him of using “the pulpit of the presidency to divide us by race and color” and saying he “has made America a more dangerous environment for everyone.”
Trump then added: “This administration has failed America’s inner cities. It’s failed them on education. It’s failed them on jobs. It’s failed them on crime. It’s failed them at every level.”

The stirring speech saved what had been a mediocre convention, with sloppy mistakes leading to distracting controversies and fueling fears that Trump and his team still are not ready for prime time. Delegates were not so much divided as dispirited over the prospect that the party would once again lose a very winnable race.
Especially with the well-oiled and well-funded Clinton machine revving up its engines with attack ads and with her message amplified by the left-wing media echo chamber, Trumpsters suddenly faced an enthusiasm gap. Rows of empty seats in the Quicken Loans Arena seemed symbolic of sagging hopes.
A turning point might have come Wednesday night, during the booing of rival Ted Cruz for refusing to endorse Trump. What started with restlessness from the New York delegation quickly spread, and by the time he slinked off the stage, Cruz suffered a stunning and unanimous rebuke.
That rare moment of genuine unity, followed by Mike Pence’s workmanlike acceptance speech as the VP nominee, set the stage for the finale. Indeed, no matter what had come before, it was always going to be up to Trump himself. He’s the nominee and the whole venture rises or falls on his performance.
It now rises. He delivered a stemwinder for the ages.
If he wins, and can deliver on his vision, remember this speech. Like Ronald Reagan’s in 1976, Trump’s 2016 address could mark the start of a desperately needed American revival. As he said near the end, “America is back.”
Imagine that — and pray he is right.
 

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Trump gave the speech of his life.

Fact check disputes that:







Fact check: Trump resurfaces debunked claims in speech - The Globe and Mail



Despite promising “the truth, and nothing else” in his convention speech, Donald Trump presented the nation with a series of previously debunked claims and some new ones Thursday night — about the U.S. tax burden, the perils facing police, Hillary Clinton’s record and more.
A look at some of the Republican presidential candidate’s claims and how they compare with the facts:
Watch the final moments of Trump's nomination acceptance speech (The Globe and Mail)

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TRUMP: “Decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement. Homicides last year increased by 17 per cent in America’s 50 largest cities. That’s the largest increase in 25 years.”
THE FACTS: A rollback? President Barack Obama has actually achieved some big increases in spending for state and local law enforcement, including billions in grants provided through the 2009 stimulus. While FBI crime statistics for 2015 are not yet available, Trump’s claim about rising homicides appears to come from a Washington Post analysis published in January. While Trump accurately quotes part of the analysis, he omits that the statistical jump was so large because homicides are still very low by historical standards. In the 50 cities cited by the Post, for example, half as many people were killed last year as in 1991.
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RELATED: Trump emphasizes law and order, criticizes Clinton's 'crimes'
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TRUMP: “The number of new illegal immigrant families who have crossed the border so far this year already exceeds the entire total from 2015. They are being released by the tens of thousands into our communities with no regard for the impact on public safety or resources.”
THE FACTS: The pace of releasing immigrants is driven not by the Obama administration, but by a court ruling. A federal judge ruled last year that the government couldn’t hold parents and children in jail for more than 20 days. An appeals court partially rolled that back earlier this month, saying that parents could be detained but children must be released.
By the standard used by the government to estimate illegal border crossings - the number of arrests — Trump is right that the number in this budget year has already exceeded last year’s total. But it’s down from 2014.
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TRUMP: “When a secretary of state illegally stores her emails on a private server, deletes 33,000 of them so the authorities can’t see her crime, puts our country at risk, lies about it in every different form and faces no consequence - I know that corruption has reached a level like never before.”
THE FACTS: Clinton’s use of a private server to store her emails was not illegal under federal law. Her actions were not established as a crime. The FBI investigated the matter and its role was to advise the Justice Department whether to bring charges against her based on what it found. FBI Director James Comey declined to refer the case for criminal prosecution to the Justice Department, instead accusing Clinton of extreme carelessness.
As for Trump’s claim that Clinton faces no consequence, that may be true in a legal sense. But the matter has been a distraction to her campaign and fed into public perceptions that she can’t be trusted. The election will test whether she has paid a price politically.
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TRUMP: “The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50 per cent compared to this point last year.”
THE FACTS: Not according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, which tracks police fatalities daily. The group found that the number of police officers who died as of July 20 is up just slightly this year, at 67, compared with 62 through the same period last year. That includes deaths in the line of duty from all causes, including traffic fatalities.
It is true that there has been a spike in police deaths from intentional shootings, 32 this year compared with 18 last year, largely attributable to the recent mass shootings in Dallas and Baton Rouge. But that was not his claim.
And overall, police are statistically safer on America’s streets now than at any time in recent decades.
For example, the 109 law enforcement fatalities in 2013 were the lowest since 1956.
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TRUMP: “My opponent has called for a radical 550 per cent increase in Syrian (refugees). ... She proposes this despite the fact that there’s no way to screen these refugees in order to find out who they are or where they come from. I only want to admit individuals into our country who will support our values and love our people.”
THE FACTS: Trump persists in making the bogus claim that the U.S. doesn’t screen refugees. The administration both screens them and knows where they are from. The Department of Homeland Security leads the process, which involves rigorous background checks. Processing of a refugee can take 18 months to two years, and usually longer for those coming from Syria. Refugees are also subject to in-person interviews and fingerprint and other biometric screening.
For all that caution, U.S. officials acknowledge that the Islamic State group could try to place operatives among refugees. Last year, FBI Director James Comey said data about people coming from Syria may be limited, adding, “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our database.”
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TRUMP: “Two million more Latinos are in poverty today than when President Obama took his oath of office less than eight years ago. Another 14 million people have left the workforce entirely. ... President Obama has almost doubled our national debt to more than $19 trillion, and growing.”
THE FACTS: Trump is playing with numbers to make the economy look worse than it actually is. The sluggish recovery over the past seven years has been frustrating. But with unemployment at 4.9 per cent, the situation isn’t as bleak as he suggests.
Trump’s figure of 14 million who’ve stopped working since Obama took office comes from the Labor Department’s measure of people not in the workforce. It’s misleading for three reasons: The U.S. population has increased in that time; the country has aged and people have retired; and younger people are staying in school longer for college and advanced degrees, so they’re not in the labour force, either.
A better figure is labour force participation — the share of people with jobs or who are searching for work. That figure has declined from 65.7 per cent when Obama took office to 62.7 per cent now. Part of that decrease reflects retirements, but the decline is also a long-term trend.
On national debt, economists say a more meaningful measure than dollars is the share of the overall economy taken up by the debt. By that measure, the debt rose 36 per cent under Obama (rather than doubling). That’s roughly the same as what occurred under Republican President George W. Bush.
The Hispanic population has risen since Obama while the poverty rate has fallen. The Pew Research Center found that 23.5 per cent of the country’s 55.3 million Latinos live in poverty, compared with 24.7 per cent in 2010.
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TRUMP: “Another humiliation came when President Obama drew a red line in Syria, and the whole world knew it meant absolutely nothing.”
THE FACTS: Trump’s reference is to a threat by Obama for retaliatory strikes if Syrian President Bashar Assad used chemical weapons against rebels — and he’s basically on target. When Assad crossed Obama’s “red line” in 2013 by using chemical weapons, the U.S. president backed down.
Obama’s two secretaries of state, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, pushed for intervention, as have a former defence secretary and CIA director. But Obama as commander-in-chief has the last word, and nothing has swayed him thus far.
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TRUMP: “When that same secretary of state rakes in millions and millions of dollars trading access and favours to special interests and foreign powers, I know the time for action has come.”
THE FACTS: That’s a somewhat overheated take on a legitimately troublesome issue for Clinton.
Although financial disclosures show she earned only her government salary as secretary of state, she made more than $21 million afterward, over three years, for speeches and appearances for private companies. None of those speeches was paid for by foreign governments, but some groups she addressed could be counted as special interests.
As well, the Clintons’ family charity, the Clinton Foundation, received millions of dollars in donations while she was secretary of state, some from foreigners. And Bill Clinton earned millions making appearances and speeches for foreign corporations and organizations while his wife was at the State Department.
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TRUMP: “After four years of Hillary Clinton, what do we have? ISIS has spread across the region, and the entire world. Libya is in ruins, and our ambassador and his staff were left helpless to die at the hands of savage killers. Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim Brotherhood, forcing the military to retake control. Iraq is in chaos. Iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. Syria is engulfed in a civil war and a refugee crisis now threatens the West. ... This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton: death, destruction, terrorism and weakness.”
THE FACTS: It’s an exaggeration to suggest Clinton, or any secretary of state, is to blame for the widespread instability and violence across the Middle East.
Clinton worked to impose sanctions that helped coax Tehran to a nuclear deal with the U.S. and other world powers last year, a deal in which Iran rolled back its nuclear program to get relief from sanctions that were choking its economy.
She did not start the war in Libya, but supported a NATO intervention well after violence broke out between rebels and the forces of dictator Moammar Gadhafi. The country slid into chaos after Gadhafi was ousted and killed in 2011, leaving it split between competing governments.
Clinton had no role in military decisions made during the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. Republicans’ claim that high-level officials in Washington issued a “stand-down” order delaying a military rescue in Benghazi has been widely debunked.
On Iraq, Clinton as a senator voted in 2002 to grant President George W. Bush authority to invade Iraq, but has since said it was a “mistake.” Many in the Middle East do not regret Saddam’s ouster and regional allies allowed U.S. bases in their country to support the war. But many also now fear the Islamic State group, which rose in the chaos of Syria’s civil war and Iraq’s security vacuum.






​Trump - you need to give peas a chance.
 

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So....talk is cheap. While Hillary supports abortion clinics and has never stood up for women's rights, Trump does and has been paying women equal salaries as men and has more female CEOs than male ones. Many companies still today pay women less than men for the same job. Also, Trump seems to give women more maternity benefits than required by law.
While I am still not convinced of his ability to be political enough to run the country you can't argue that he seems to be ahead of the curve in the treatment of women who work in his companies.
 
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Trump gave the speech of his life.

Fact check disputes that:







Fact check: Trump resurfaces debunked claims in speech - The Globe and Mail



Despite promising “the truth, and nothing else” in his convention speech, Donald Trump presented the nation with a series of previously debunked claims and some new ones Thursday night — about the U.S. tax burden, the perils facing police, Hillary Clinton’s record and more.
A look at some of the Republican presidential candidate’s claims and how they compare with the facts:
Watch the final moments of Trump's nomination acceptance speech (The Globe and Mail)

———
TRUMP: “Decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement. Homicides last year increased by 17 per cent in America’s 50 largest cities. That’s the largest increase in 25 years.”
THE FACTS: A rollback? President Barack Obama has actually achieved some big increases in spending for state and local law enforcement, including billions in grants provided through the 2009 stimulus. While FBI crime statistics for 2015 are not yet available, Trump’s claim about rising homicides appears to come from a Washington Post analysis published in January. While Trump accurately quotes part of the analysis, he omits that the statistical jump was so large because homicides are still very low by historical standards. In the 50 cities cited by the Post, for example, half as many people were killed last year as in 1991.
———
RELATED: Trump emphasizes law and order, criticizes Clinton's 'crimes'
———
TRUMP: “The number of new illegal immigrant families who have crossed the border so far this year already exceeds the entire total from 2015. They are being released by the tens of thousands into our communities with no regard for the impact on public safety or resources.”
THE FACTS: The pace of releasing immigrants is driven not by the Obama administration, but by a court ruling. A federal judge ruled last year that the government couldn’t hold parents and children in jail for more than 20 days. An appeals court partially rolled that back earlier this month, saying that parents could be detained but children must be released.
By the standard used by the government to estimate illegal border crossings - the number of arrests — Trump is right that the number in this budget year has already exceeded last year’s total. But it’s down from 2014.
———
TRUMP: “When a secretary of state illegally stores her emails on a private server, deletes 33,000 of them so the authorities can’t see her crime, puts our country at risk, lies about it in every different form and faces no consequence - I know that corruption has reached a level like never before.”
THE FACTS: Clinton’s use of a private server to store her emails was not illegal under federal law. Her actions were not established as a crime. The FBI investigated the matter and its role was to advise the Justice Department whether to bring charges against her based on what it found. FBI Director James Comey declined to refer the case for criminal prosecution to the Justice Department, instead accusing Clinton of extreme carelessness.
As for Trump’s claim that Clinton faces no consequence, that may be true in a legal sense. But the matter has been a distraction to her campaign and fed into public perceptions that she can’t be trusted. The election will test whether she has paid a price politically.
———
TRUMP: “The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50 per cent compared to this point last year.”
THE FACTS: Not according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, which tracks police fatalities daily. The group found that the number of police officers who died as of July 20 is up just slightly this year, at 67, compared with 62 through the same period last year. That includes deaths in the line of duty from all causes, including traffic fatalities.
It is true that there has been a spike in police deaths from intentional shootings, 32 this year compared with 18 last year, largely attributable to the recent mass shootings in Dallas and Baton Rouge. But that was not his claim.
And overall, police are statistically safer on America’s streets now than at any time in recent decades.
For example, the 109 law enforcement fatalities in 2013 were the lowest since 1956.
———
TRUMP: “My opponent has called for a radical 550 per cent increase in Syrian (refugees). ... She proposes this despite the fact that there’s no way to screen these refugees in order to find out who they are or where they come from. I only want to admit individuals into our country who will support our values and love our people.”
THE FACTS: Trump persists in making the bogus claim that the U.S. doesn’t screen refugees. The administration both screens them and knows where they are from. The Department of Homeland Security leads the process, which involves rigorous background checks. Processing of a refugee can take 18 months to two years, and usually longer for those coming from Syria. Refugees are also subject to in-person interviews and fingerprint and other biometric screening.
For all that caution, U.S. officials acknowledge that the Islamic State group could try to place operatives among refugees. Last year, FBI Director James Comey said data about people coming from Syria may be limited, adding, “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our database.”
———
TRUMP: “Two million more Latinos are in poverty today than when President Obama took his oath of office less than eight years ago. Another 14 million people have left the workforce entirely. ... President Obama has almost doubled our national debt to more than $19 trillion, and growing.”
THE FACTS: Trump is playing with numbers to make the economy look worse than it actually is. The sluggish recovery over the past seven years has been frustrating. But with unemployment at 4.9 per cent, the situation isn’t as bleak as he suggests.
Trump’s figure of 14 million who’ve stopped working since Obama took office comes from the Labor Department’s measure of people not in the workforce. It’s misleading for three reasons: The U.S. population has increased in that time; the country has aged and people have retired; and younger people are staying in school longer for college and advanced degrees, so they’re not in the labour force, either.
A better figure is labour force participation — the share of people with jobs or who are searching for work. That figure has declined from 65.7 per cent when Obama took office to 62.7 per cent now. Part of that decrease reflects retirements, but the decline is also a long-term trend.
On national debt, economists say a more meaningful measure than dollars is the share of the overall economy taken up by the debt. By that measure, the debt rose 36 per cent under Obama (rather than doubling). That’s roughly the same as what occurred under Republican President George W. Bush.
The Hispanic population has risen since Obama while the poverty rate has fallen. The Pew Research Center found that 23.5 per cent of the country’s 55.3 million Latinos live in poverty, compared with 24.7 per cent in 2010.
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TRUMP: “Another humiliation came when President Obama drew a red line in Syria, and the whole world knew it meant absolutely nothing.”
THE FACTS: Trump’s reference is to a threat by Obama for retaliatory strikes if Syrian President Bashar Assad used chemical weapons against rebels — and he’s basically on target. When Assad crossed Obama’s “red line” in 2013 by using chemical weapons, the U.S. president backed down.
Obama’s two secretaries of state, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, pushed for intervention, as have a former defence secretary and CIA director. But Obama as commander-in-chief has the last word, and nothing has swayed him thus far.
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TRUMP: “When that same secretary of state rakes in millions and millions of dollars trading access and favours to special interests and foreign powers, I know the time for action has come.”
THE FACTS: That’s a somewhat overheated take on a legitimately troublesome issue for Clinton.
Although financial disclosures show she earned only her government salary as secretary of state, she made more than $21 million afterward, over three years, for speeches and appearances for private companies. None of those speeches was paid for by foreign governments, but some groups she addressed could be counted as special interests.
As well, the Clintons’ family charity, the Clinton Foundation, received millions of dollars in donations while she was secretary of state, some from foreigners. And Bill Clinton earned millions making appearances and speeches for foreign corporations and organizations while his wife was at the State Department.
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TRUMP: “After four years of Hillary Clinton, what do we have? ISIS has spread across the region, and the entire world. Libya is in ruins, and our ambassador and his staff were left helpless to die at the hands of savage killers. Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim Brotherhood, forcing the military to retake control. Iraq is in chaos. Iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. Syria is engulfed in a civil war and a refugee crisis now threatens the West. ... This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton: death, destruction, terrorism and weakness.”
THE FACTS: It’s an exaggeration to suggest Clinton, or any secretary of state, is to blame for the widespread instability and violence across the Middle East.
Clinton worked to impose sanctions that helped coax Tehran to a nuclear deal with the U.S. and other world powers last year, a deal in which Iran rolled back its nuclear program to get relief from sanctions that were choking its economy.
She did not start the war in Libya, but supported a NATO intervention well after violence broke out between rebels and the forces of dictator Moammar Gadhafi. The country slid into chaos after Gadhafi was ousted and killed in 2011, leaving it split between competing governments.
Clinton had no role in military decisions made during the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. Republicans’ claim that high-level officials in Washington issued a “stand-down” order delaying a military rescue in Benghazi has been widely debunked.
On Iraq, Clinton as a senator voted in 2002 to grant President George W. Bush authority to invade Iraq, but has since said it was a “mistake.” Many in the Middle East do not regret Saddam’s ouster and regional allies allowed U.S. bases in their country to support the war. But many also now fear the Islamic State group, which rose in the chaos of Syria’s civil war and Iraq’s security vacuum.






​Trump - you need to give peas a chance.
Way to waste all that time posting something no one will read. Good job. Maybe if you first had an inkling of credibility. Go job tho.
 
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Trump gave the speech of his life.

Fact check disputes that:







Fact check: Trump resurfaces debunked claims in speech - The Globe and Mail



Despite promising “the truth, and nothing else” in his convention speech, Donald Trump presented the nation with a series of previously debunked claims and some new ones Thursday night — about the U.S. tax burden, the perils facing police, Hillary Clinton’s record and more.
A look at some of the Republican presidential candidate’s claims and how they compare with the facts:
Watch the final moments of Trump's nomination acceptance speech (The Globe and Mail)

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TRUMP: “Decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement. Homicides last year increased by 17 per cent in America’s 50 largest cities. That’s the largest increase in 25 years.”
THE FACTS: A rollback? President Barack Obama has actually achieved some big increases in spending for state and local law enforcement, including billions in grants provided through the 2009 stimulus. While FBI crime statistics for 2015 are not yet available, Trump’s claim about rising homicides appears to come from a Washington Post analysis published in January. While Trump accurately quotes part of the analysis, he omits that the statistical jump was so large because homicides are still very low by historical standards. In the 50 cities cited by the Post, for example, half as many people were killed last year as in 1991.
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RELATED: Trump emphasizes law and order, criticizes Clinton's 'crimes'
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TRUMP: “The number of new illegal immigrant families who have crossed the border so far this year already exceeds the entire total from 2015. They are being released by the tens of thousands into our communities with no regard for the impact on public safety or resources.”
THE FACTS: The pace of releasing immigrants is driven not by the Obama administration, but by a court ruling. A federal judge ruled last year that the government couldn’t hold parents and children in jail for more than 20 days. An appeals court partially rolled that back earlier this month, saying that parents could be detained but children must be released.
By the standard used by the government to estimate illegal border crossings - the number of arrests — Trump is right that the number in this budget year has already exceeded last year’s total. But it’s down from 2014.
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TRUMP: “When a secretary of state illegally stores her emails on a private server, deletes 33,000 of them so the authorities can’t see her crime, puts our country at risk, lies about it in every different form and faces no consequence - I know that corruption has reached a level like never before.”
THE FACTS: Clinton’s use of a private server to store her emails was not illegal under federal law. Her actions were not established as a crime. The FBI investigated the matter and its role was to advise the Justice Department whether to bring charges against her based on what it found. FBI Director James Comey declined to refer the case for criminal prosecution to the Justice Department, instead accusing Clinton of extreme carelessness.
As for Trump’s claim that Clinton faces no consequence, that may be true in a legal sense. But the matter has been a distraction to her campaign and fed into public perceptions that she can’t be trusted. The election will test whether she has paid a price politically.
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TRUMP: “The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50 per cent compared to this point last year.”
THE FACTS: Not according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, which tracks police fatalities daily. The group found that the number of police officers who died as of July 20 is up just slightly this year, at 67, compared with 62 through the same period last year. That includes deaths in the line of duty from all causes, including traffic fatalities.
It is true that there has been a spike in police deaths from intentional shootings, 32 this year compared with 18 last year, largely attributable to the recent mass shootings in Dallas and Baton Rouge. But that was not his claim.
And overall, police are statistically safer on America’s streets now than at any time in recent decades.
For example, the 109 law enforcement fatalities in 2013 were the lowest since 1956.
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TRUMP: “My opponent has called for a radical 550 per cent increase in Syrian (refugees). ... She proposes this despite the fact that there’s no way to screen these refugees in order to find out who they are or where they come from. I only want to admit individuals into our country who will support our values and love our people.”
THE FACTS: Trump persists in making the bogus claim that the U.S. doesn’t screen refugees. The administration both screens them and knows where they are from. The Department of Homeland Security leads the process, which involves rigorous background checks. Processing of a refugee can take 18 months to two years, and usually longer for those coming from Syria. Refugees are also subject to in-person interviews and fingerprint and other biometric screening.
For all that caution, U.S. officials acknowledge that the Islamic State group could try to place operatives among refugees. Last year, FBI Director James Comey said data about people coming from Syria may be limited, adding, “If we don’t know much about somebody, there won’t be anything in our database.”
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TRUMP: “Two million more Latinos are in poverty today than when President Obama took his oath of office less than eight years ago. Another 14 million people have left the workforce entirely. ... President Obama has almost doubled our national debt to more than $19 trillion, and growing.”
THE FACTS: Trump is playing with numbers to make the economy look worse than it actually is. The sluggish recovery over the past seven years has been frustrating. But with unemployment at 4.9 per cent, the situation isn’t as bleak as he suggests.
Trump’s figure of 14 million who’ve stopped working since Obama took office comes from the Labor Department’s measure of people not in the workforce. It’s misleading for three reasons: The U.S. population has increased in that time; the country has aged and people have retired; and younger people are staying in school longer for college and advanced degrees, so they’re not in the labour force, either.
A better figure is labour force participation — the share of people with jobs or who are searching for work. That figure has declined from 65.7 per cent when Obama took office to 62.7 per cent now. Part of that decrease reflects retirements, but the decline is also a long-term trend.
On national debt, economists say a more meaningful measure than dollars is the share of the overall economy taken up by the debt. By that measure, the debt rose 36 per cent under Obama (rather than doubling). That’s roughly the same as what occurred under Republican President George W. Bush.
The Hispanic population has risen since Obama while the poverty rate has fallen. The Pew Research Center found that 23.5 per cent of the country’s 55.3 million Latinos live in poverty, compared with 24.7 per cent in 2010.
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TRUMP: “Another humiliation came when President Obama drew a red line in Syria, and the whole world knew it meant absolutely nothing.”
THE FACTS: Trump’s reference is to a threat by Obama for retaliatory strikes if Syrian President Bashar Assad used chemical weapons against rebels — and he’s basically on target. When Assad crossed Obama’s “red line” in 2013 by using chemical weapons, the U.S. president backed down.
Obama’s two secretaries of state, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, pushed for intervention, as have a former defence secretary and CIA director. But Obama as commander-in-chief has the last word, and nothing has swayed him thus far.
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TRUMP: “When that same secretary of state rakes in millions and millions of dollars trading access and favours to special interests and foreign powers, I know the time for action has come.”
THE FACTS: That’s a somewhat overheated take on a legitimately troublesome issue for Clinton.
Although financial disclosures show she earned only her government salary as secretary of state, she made more than $21 million afterward, over three years, for speeches and appearances for private companies. None of those speeches was paid for by foreign governments, but some groups she addressed could be counted as special interests.
As well, the Clintons’ family charity, the Clinton Foundation, received millions of dollars in donations while she was secretary of state, some from foreigners. And Bill Clinton earned millions making appearances and speeches for foreign corporations and organizations while his wife was at the State Department.
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TRUMP: “After four years of Hillary Clinton, what do we have? ISIS has spread across the region, and the entire world. Libya is in ruins, and our ambassador and his staff were left helpless to die at the hands of savage killers. Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim Brotherhood, forcing the military to retake control. Iraq is in chaos. Iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. Syria is engulfed in a civil war and a refugee crisis now threatens the West. ... This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton: death, destruction, terrorism and weakness.”
THE FACTS: It’s an exaggeration to suggest Clinton, or any secretary of state, is to blame for the widespread instability and violence across the Middle East.
Clinton worked to impose sanctions that helped coax Tehran to a nuclear deal with the U.S. and other world powers last year, a deal in which Iran rolled back its nuclear program to get relief from sanctions that were choking its economy.
She did not start the war in Libya, but supported a NATO intervention well after violence broke out between rebels and the forces of dictator Moammar Gadhafi. The country slid into chaos after Gadhafi was ousted and killed in 2011, leaving it split between competing governments.
Clinton had no role in military decisions made during the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. Republicans’ claim that high-level officials in Washington issued a “stand-down” order delaying a military rescue in Benghazi has been widely debunked.
On Iraq, Clinton as a senator voted in 2002 to grant President George W. Bush authority to invade Iraq, but has since said it was a “mistake.” Many in the Middle East do not regret Saddam’s ouster and regional allies allowed U.S. bases in their country to support the war. But many also now fear the Islamic State group, which rose in the chaos of Syria’s civil war and Iraq’s security vacuum.






​Trump - you need to give peas a chance.
Hey, didn't you just plagiarize JosephsDreams avatar?
 

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Way to waste all that time posting something no one will read. Good job. Maybe if you first had an inkling of credibility. Go job tho.
Funny you wrote this, because the minute I Saw it, I said, oh no, not him, and not one of these fact check arguments. I said I am not even going to waste my time reading this garbage.
And then I scrolled down to see your post.
PN, as he often does, misses the main thrust of the big picture. The way I look at it, all politician stretch the truth and lie. We have to realize there are no ideal "perfect" candidates. Perfection will be here when Jesus comes back. Until then, we deal with a fallen world. So as long as we Christians view politics from that starting perspective, which I think all Christians should, the next step is to say who best represents our world view. The determining factor with that should be the candidate that comes the closest to our understanding of Christianity.
Maybe some people's here understanding of the bible and what Jesus did and what he asks of us is manifested in supporting Hillary Clinton, and democrats ad hoc. I can't for the life of me fathom that rationale, but when Jesus said many will plant seed on rocky ground, or when the spirit says love is patient, He wasn't kidding.
The way I see it, Christians have to vote for Trump. It is not even a don't vote for anyone option if you don't like Trump. Because the dems have the larger number of voters, a not vote i like a vote for Hillary.
Which is a vote that supports lifestyles and world views no real Christian can support.
 
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I thought he used a teleprompter,he sounded different to me,more like a politician.

He could come out with a red shirt on and you get on here and tell us it was white. At least that is how I see your comments here about him. No offense. I thought his speech was good...he was relaxed and on point. He touched on everything he has been saying up to this point. I'd like to see you give an hour fifteen minute speech from memory. Lol
 
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Funny you wrote this, because the minute I Saw it, I said, oh no, not him, and not one of these fact check arguments. I said I am not even going to waste my time reading this garbage.
And then I scrolled down to see your post.
PN, as he often does, misses the main thrust of the big picture. The way I look at it, all politician stretch the truth and lie. We have to realize there are no ideal "perfect" candidates. Perfection will be here when Jesus comes back. Until then, we deal with a fallen world. So as long as we Christians view politics from that starting perspective, which I think all Christians should, the next step is to say who best represents our world view. The determining factor with that should be the candidate that comes the closest to our understanding of Christianity.
Maybe some people's here understanding of the bible and what Jesus did and what he asks of us is manifested in supporting Hillary Clinton, and democrats ad hoc. I can't for the life of me fathom that rationale, but when Jesus said many will plant seed on rocky ground, or when the spirit says love is patient, He wasn't kidding.
The way I see it, Christians have to vote for Trump. It is not even a don't vote for anyone option if you don't like Trump. Because the dems have the larger number of voters, a not vote i like a vote for Hillary.
Which is a vote that supports lifestyles and world views no real Christian can support.
I can't figure out if the guy is for real or just playin...lol. If he is serious there could be some serious mental health stuff going on there but in any case, you are right....we gotta get behind Trump and vote so that our country has a shot at survival. Either way tho, the world is gonna need rescuing by God at some point. Lol But it would be nice to get some good people on the supreme court when it's time to replace the ideological weirdos we have on there now.
 
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What Republicans have always said about Trump:


[FONT=&]He’s a race-baiting, xenophobic religious bigot. He doesn’t represent my party. He doesn’t represent the values that the men and women who wear the uniform are fighting for.” — Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“I don’t think this guy has any more core principles than a Kardashian marriage.” — Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“We saw and looked at true hate in the eyes last year in Charleston. I will not stop until we fight a man that chooses not to disavow the K.K.K. That is not a part of our party.” — Nikki Haley, Republican governor of South Carolina[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“A moral degenerate.” — Peter Wehner, evangelical Christian commentator who served in last three Republican administrations[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“Donald Trump is a madman who must be stopped,” — Bobby Jindal, former Republican governor of Louisiana[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“I won’t vote for Donald Trump because of who he isn’t. He isn’t a Republican. He isn’t a conservative. He isn’t a truth teller. ... I also won’t vote for Donald Trump because of who he is. A bigot. A misogynist. A fraud. A bully.” — Norm Coleman, former Republican senator from Minnesota[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“To support Trump is to support a bigot. It’s really that simple.” — Stuart Stevens, chief strategist to Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“Donald Trump is unfit to be president. He is a dishonest demagogue who plays to our worst fears. Trump would take America on a dangerous journey.” — Meg Whitman, Hewlett-Packard Enterprise C.E.O. and former national finance co-chairwoman for Chris Christie’s presidential campaign[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“I thought he was an embarrassment to my party; I think he’s an embarrassment to my country. … I can’t vote for him.” — Tom Ridge, former Republican governor of Pennsylvania and secretary of homeland security under George W. Bush[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“I would not vote for Trump, clearly. If there is any, any, any other choice, a living, breathing person with a pulse, I would be there.” — Mel Martinez, former Republican senator from Florida and former chairman of the Republican National Committee[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“The G.O.P., in putting Trump at the top of the ticket, is endorsing a brand of populism rooted in ignorance, prejudice, fear and isolationism. This troubles me deeply as a Republican, but it troubles me even more as an American. … Never Trump.” — Henry M. Paulson Jr., Treasury secretary under George W. Bush[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“Hillary is preferable to Trump, just like malaria is preferable to Ebola. … If it’s Trump-Hillary with no serious third-party option in the fall, as hard as it is for me to believe I am actually writing these words, there is just no question: I’d take a Tums and cast my ballot for Hillary.” — Jamie Weinstein, senior writer, the Daily Caller, a conservative website[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.” — Mitt Romney, 2012 Republican nominee for president[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“When you’ve got a guy favorably quoting Mussolini, I don’t care what party you’re in, I’m not voting for that guy.” — Ken Cuccinelli, president of the Senate Conservatives Fund[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“Donald Trump is a scam. Evangelical voters should back away.” — The Christian Post, a popular U.S. evangelical website[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“Listen, Donald Trump is a serial philanderer, and he boasts about it. … The president of the United States talks about how great it is to commit adultery. How proud he is. Describes his battles with venereal disease as his own personal Vietnam.” — Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas[/FONT]

[FONT=&]“A man utterly unfit for the position by temperament, values and policy preferences … whose personal record of chicanery and wild rhetoric of bigotry, misogyny and misplaced belligerence are without parallel in the modern history of either major party.” — Eliot A. Cohen, a senior State Department official under George W. Bush[/FONT]


[FONT=&]“God bless this man” — Daily Stormer, white supremacist website







How can a true Christian support such anyone like him?[/FONT]
Although I don't like Hillary,your post got me thinking.