Dangers of Gender Neutral Bathrooms

[TemporaryCircumstances]

I guess they will have to go in their pants... It's too risky to let young children go in there... don't you know men are pretending to be women so they can violate them?!

Hey,
Please don't get angry with me.
I understand your point
I know very well that men prey on women if I need to direct you to a thread that talks about my personal experience I will but I don't think that is necessary.
I was not trying to make you mad or argue, I was curious.
If I am not aloud to ask questions I was not informed.
My apologies

 

[JosephsDreams]

At the end of the day, allowing gender neutral restrooms isn't going to encourage someone to break the law and violate women. If someone is going to violate a woman, he will do it in one way or another... law be damned.

Your missing the point of all this.
It is not about enforcement at its core.
It is about the government, our leaders, condoning something that is immoral.
Its that simple. Any other argument is a dog and pony show.

 

[KimPetras]

Hey,
Please don't get angry with me.
I understand your point
I know very well that men prey on women if I need to direct you to a thread that talks about my personal experience I will but I don't think that is necessary.
I was not trying to make you mad or argue, I was curious.
If I am not aloud to ask questions I was not informed.
My apologies

Oh sweetheart! I'm so sorry. I'm just being sarcastic with you! lol

I really wasn't making a serious proposal with the 8 restrooms, I was just using that to enforce the opposing opinion that women are at tremendous risk of being violated by this law. *hugs* I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough to you. I promise I'm not mad with you.

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

Oh sweetheart! I'm so sorry. I'm just being sarcastic with you! lol

I really wasn't making a serious proposal with the 8 restrooms, I was just using that to enforce the opposing opinion that women are at tremendous risk of being violated by this law. *hugs* I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough to you. I promise I'm not mad with you.

It's fine...

 

[PennEd]

Why is it silliness? You aren't answering my question about enforcing it or why not protect young boys from older men... Certainly you're aware of men that prey upon young men?

I wouldn't allow my daughter to shower openly with other females or males. I would require that the locker room have individual stalls to shower and cover one's self up. This seems to be the norm with modern schools and I think it's a good thing.

Well, why do YOU get to set the conditions YOU want for YOUR daughter but other people can't set the standards for theirs?

And I already told you I don't think young boys should be unaccompanied in public restrooms. So you should have no issue with a father accompanying his teen daughter into a restroom, changing room, to prevent perverted men from ogling their daughter then?

 

[KimPetras]

Your missing the point of all this.
It is not about enforcement at its core.
It is about the government, our leaders, condoning something that is immoral.
Its that simple. Any other argument is a dog and pony show.

We condone (make things legal) that are immoral... Do we not allow divorce for reasons other than infidelity? Do we not allow for people to get drunk provided they aren't driving or about in public? Do we not allow gay marriage?

The only dog and pony show is alluding that because of this law, women are being violated... news flash, people have been violating women this way long before this law.

 

[KimPetras]

Well, why do YOU get to set the conditions YOU want for YOUR daughter but other people can't set the standards for theirs?

And I already told you I don't think young boys should be unaccompanied in public restrooms. So you should have no issue with a father accompanying his teen daughter into a restroom, changing room, to prevent perverted men from ogling their daughter then?

The parents can... they can refuse to let their children go into a neutral restroom. It's that simple.

And you don't think young boys should go unaccompanied? At what age can they go in independently? And what if people pretend to be a father of a young boy so they can molest/record other young boys? Now do you see the need for the 8 restrooms?

 

[PennEd]

The parents can... they can refuse to let their children go into a neutral restroom. It's that simple.

I'm not sure you understand what's going on. Men can go not only in neutral bathrooms, changing rooms and lockerrooms, BUT WHAT WAS FORMERLY WOMEN'S ONLY places. Do you understand that? No one is arguing against neutral bathrooms.

 

[KimPetras]

Cause and Affect:

False premise: Because of this law, women are being recorded and violated in restrooms.

Explanation: Women have been violated in restrooms long before this law. Criminals break laws... that's what they do...

 

[KimPetras]

I'm not sure you understand what's going on. Men can go not only in neutral bathrooms, changing rooms and lockerrooms, BUT WHAT WAS FORMERLY WOMEN'S ONLY places. Do you understand that? No one is arguing against neutral bathrooms.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about gender neutral bathrooms like the OP said. I've not really made any mention of locker rooms/showers until you asked me a question about it.

 

[PennEd]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about gender neutral bathrooms like the OP said. I've not really made any mention of locker rooms/showers until you asked me a question about it.

No worries dear. I certainly have no problem with gender neutral facilities. If a woman or man chooses to use them, God bless them. I'm talking about what was til a year or so ago WOMEN'S ONLY facilities.

 

[JosephsDreams]

We condone (make things legal) that are immoral... Do we not allow divorce for reasons other than infidelity? Do we not allow for people to get drunk provided they aren't driving or about in public? Do we not allow gay marriage?

The only dog and pony show is alluding that because of this law, women are being violated... news flash, people have been violating women this way long before this law.

We live in a fallen world. You seem to think that because we allow divorce, or drunkards, same sex marriage and transgender bathrooms are okay to.
Your mindset - nothing is out of bounds.
Do you know the same sex marriage crowd are pushing for marriage with animals to be legal? Ya know why, becuase its love. Yep, whats the difference, love is love.
So what else do you want to legalize based on your rational?
You seem to be okay with the government, who are supposed to represent the majority, but instead are dictating their minority pint of view to the majority, to condone anything.
Are you okay with abortion?
Would you be okay with legalizing sex for people under at the age of 12? There are people doing that, your good with it?
There are people ruining their lives with hard drugs, should we legalize it?
Heck, in your world, anything goes.
Just abolish all laws, they are not enforceable anyway. Look how many people get away with them.

 

[KimPetras]

We live in a fallen world. You seem to think that because we allow divorce, or drunkards, same sex marriage and transgender bathrooms are okay to.
Your mindset - nothing is out of bounds.
Do you know the same sex marriage crowd are pushing for marriage with animals to be legal? Ya know why, becuase its love. Yep, whats the difference, love is love.
So what else do you want to legalize based on your rational?
You seem to be okay with the government, who are supposed to represent the majority, but instead are dictating their minority pint of view to the majority, to condone anything.
Are you okay with abortion?
Would you be okay with legalizing sex for people under at the age of 12? There are people doing that, your good with it?
There are people ruining their lives with hard drugs, should we legalize it?
Heck, in your world, anything goes.
Just abolish all laws, they are not enforceable anyway. Look how many people get away with them.

I seem to think that we live in a secular world that is erasing God... or rather, replacing God with a false god.

However, this country was founded on liberty. Liberty to be destructive to one's self as long as we aren't taking anyone's free will away or liberty to pursue happiness. We have liberty to worship God and accept Christ as our Saviour, or the liberty to worship Satan.

Liberty means we have to allow people to do things we don't necessarily agree with provided they aren't taken away anyone's liberty in the process.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I seem to think that we live in a secular world that is erasing God... or rather, replacing God with a false god.

However, this country was founded on liberty. Liberty to be destructive to one's self as long as we aren't taking anyone's free will away or liberty to pursue happiness. We have liberty to worship God and accept Christ as our Saviour, or the liberty to worship Satan.

Liberty means we have to allow people to do things we don't necessarily agree with provided they aren't taken away anyone's liberty in the process.

I agree. But don't you see the government condoning these things is harmful to our children, their future, well mine anyway, since you may or may not have kids.
That it is liberty, but also enslavement to a POV that is sinful, and that sin is slavery?
Jesus Himself said that those who sin are a slave to sin and the son of man has come to set them free.

 

[cinder]

At the end of the day, allowing gender neutral restrooms isn't going to encourage someone to break the law and violate women. If someone is going to violate a woman, he will do it in one way or another... law be damned.

Cause and Affect:

False premise: Because of this law, women are being recorded and violated in restrooms.

Explanation: Women have been violated in restrooms long before this law. Criminals break laws... that's what they do...

Your logic seems to boil down to... Since men who want to violate women are going to do so anyway, why should we bother making it illegal for them to hang out in the women's room waiting for that opportunity? Can you truly not see that it might be a good idea to have laws that keep men out of the women's restroom, not because the men who want to harm women will obey them, but because those men can be removed from the ladies' room just for being in there rather than making the women wait until a crime is committed. A law the benefits only a tiny minority of wounded people and gives would be criminals much greater opportunity to commit crimes against the majority is a bad law. That's the problem with allowing people to "choose which gender they identify with" when using single sex restrooms, little social benefit and vast opportunity for abuse (of the law).

 

[EmilyNats]

The idea of gender neutrality is ridiculous, period. Not to be hateful on the LGBT community or anything,but it just is.

 

[JosephsDreams]

There are a tiny number of people in the world who are born gender neutral or close to it. This is unnatural and not their fault.
Many of the trans gender folk are genuinely confused and ensnared by this worlds system, and have chemical im balances from birth, and even maybe some of them demonized.
We must pray for them. And be kind to them. They are what Jesus calls the poor in spirit.
That said, that doesn't mean they should be afforded the right to enter a bathroom contrary to their sex organs.
We should be sympathetic and understanding, but that is a two way street.
They should be also to our needs and views.
This is yet just another liberal agenda thibg to further break down the fabric of a Christian society. The trans gender in some ways are just pawns.
They hate us, these liberals, no matter what they say that they don't. Many of them have a satanic spirit and enmity against Christians.
They will do anything they can that is adverse and violent to our way of thinking and living.

 

[SteelToedKodiak]

Your logic seems to boil down to... Since men who want to violate women are going to do so anyway, why should we bother making it illegal for them to hang out in the women's room waiting for that opportunity? Can you truly not see that it might be a good idea to have laws that keep men out of the women's restroom, not because the men who want to harm women will obey them, but because those men can be removed from the ladies' room just for being in there rather than making the women wait until a crime is committed. A law the benefits only a tiny minority of wounded people and gives would be criminals much greater opportunity to commit crimes against the majority is a bad law. That's the problem with allowing people to "choose which gender they identify with" when using single sex restrooms, little social benefit and vast opportunity for abuse (of the law).

The logic is fundamental curriculum taught in "higher" educational institutions. It's all based on moral relativism and unfortunately is consumed wholeheartedly for the purpose of earning an "A", a "degree" and a diploma. That square cap one wears on the head while moving the tassel over from one side to another affirms the person has been initiated and is ready for "service".

 

[KimPetras]

I agree. But don't you see the government condoning these things is harmful to our children, their future, well mine anyway, since you may or may not have kids.
That it is liberty, but also enslavement to a POV that is sinful, and that sin is slavery?
Jesus Himself said that those who sin are a slave to sin and the son of man has come to set them free.

Yes, but since when has the government been our moral police? God, Jesus, the Spirit, and the bible are better moral policemen than the government. I just expect the government to allow me (and other people who believe similarly) to be the daughter of God that I believe He wants me to be.

 

[EmilyNats]

Yes, but since when has the government been our moral police? God, Jesus, the Spirit, and the bible are better moral policemen than the government. I just expect the government to allow me (and other people who believe similarly) to be the daughter of God that I believe He wants me to be.

And you really think God is okay with gender neutral bathrooms?