(ritual) circumcisions today

[Dan_473]

"and what ever other commandment there are", That is your opinion.

Why was the new coming gentiles commanded to not eat blood and strangled animals and how are those commandments given contained in you shall love your neighbor as yourself ? Also where did the apostles get those commandments from ?

not my opinion at all, here's the entire quote as it appears on Bible Gateway

"9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,”[a] “You shall not covet,” and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”[c] 10 Love doesn’t harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law. "

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom+13&version=web






I don't believe the word 'commandment' is used in acts 15.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts+15&version=nasb


I think the instructions given by the apostles is how gentiles can keep from offending believing Jews and weak Christians in that time and place.

10 For if someone sees you, who have knowledge,
dining in an idol’s temple,
will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through
your knowledge
he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died.



(note also the instruction "abstain from blood"... Christians today happily receive blood transfustions... so those instructions were for a particular time and place.)

 

[simplifiedtruth]

That's not true. Again this is your own carnal mind thinking that not being under Law will give Christians a license to sin. This shows you do not know the gospel yet. We can trust the Holy Spirit in us as we live by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and the law of love will cover all situations.

I encourage you to stop trusting in your "law-keeping" and trust in Christ alone for life and living. Once you see Christ for what He has already done for us - you will love Him dearly and His life in you will indirectly fulfill all the true intent of the Law.

Also Loving God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength will cover all such things as resting on the sabbath days and eating clean food and circumcising your children.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes you are under the law! The law of the Spirit which has been placed in your heart(If you are born again of the Spirit). If you ignore it and walk after your own fleshly lusts you will die. If you walk after the law of the Spirit you will live.

but you say that it is the same law as the law of Moses... so you are under the law of Moses...

 

[Dan_473]

Not every commandment are "moral" commandments(Which is not a biblical term). Some commandments require to be acted upon physically. Like the sabbat and dietary law and circumcision and what to do in certain circumstances.

for a Christian, those are fulfilled by loving one's neighbor.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

but you say that it is the same law as the law of Moses... so you are under the law of Moses...

No. I am under the Law of Christ. And Christ did not come to destroy Moses or the prophets.

 

[Dan_473]

Also Loving God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength will cover all such things as resting on the sabbath days and eating clean food and circumcising your children.

I'm not completely sure about that...

is there a verse that says that loving God is the fulfillment of the law? there may be... not sure...



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also, post 241 "blood transfustions"... LOL

 

[emjcares]

Not every commandment are "moral" commandments(Which is not a biblical term). Some commandments require to be acted upon physically. Like the sabbat and dietary law and circumcision and what to do in certain circumstances.

And and and and and .....
Wow, you just keep adding ropes and chains to your yoke of bondage, don't you? Can the whips be far behind?

Do I keep the commandment perfectly to love the Lord with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength, and my neighbor as myself?

My only answer, really, is 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner'.
I guess I desperately need a Savior.
Oh.
Wait.
That's right .....

Thanks be to God for His unspeakable GIFT!
Thank you, Lord Jesus!

 

[simplifiedtruth]

for a Christian, those are fulfilled by loving one's neighbor.

For a christian church (building) it might be so there at that place, but not according to the bible.

 

[Grace777x70]

Also Loving God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength will cover all such things as resting on the sabbath days and eating clean food and circumcising your children.

See!.... you are a Judaizer by your attempts at keeping the Law. This is the reason you are getting so much flack from Christians here on this website.

Ahhh..but also you forget that loving the Lord your God with all your mind and strength is a commandment "under" the Law. We are not under the Law. No person on this earth can fulfill the greatest commandment - but only One did - Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus has loved the Lord His God with all His strength and mind and soul - Jesus has fulfilled that for us and so now we are in Him and rest in His life to lead us now. You keep leaving out Christ in your attempts to keep the Law which is why your religion is anti-Christ.

 

[emjcares]

No. I am under the Law of Christ. And Christ did not come to destroy Moses or the prophets.

He came to fulfill them. And He did.
Are you saying He didn't?

 

[Dan_473]

No. I am under the Law of Christ. And Christ did not come to destroy Moses or the prophets.

but you wrote that it is the same law as the law of Moses

You aren't under the law of the old covenant, you are under the law of the new covenant which is the same law being put into and functioning in your heart through faith. This faith is conforming us to that law, with Christ as our high priest in the heavenly tabernacle. The physical tabernacle was a copy of the heavenly tabernacle shown to Moses(A shadow of what exist in the heavens).

 

[Grace777x70]

No. I am under the Law of Christ. And Christ did not come to destroy Moses or the prophets.

Jesus came to "fulfill" Moses and the prophets. Then He died on the cross and we too died with Him on the cross and we were raised to newness of life in Christ.

You are trying to accomplish with your own self-effort what Christ has already done for you. This is why your "law-keeping" beliefs are anti-Christ and you are denying the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

I'm not completely sure about that...

is there a verse that says that loving God is the fulfillment of the law? there may be... not sure...



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also, post 241 "blood transfustions"... LOL

Remember those two commandments are the greatest of those commandments that are contained in the law. In what context do you suppose, Loving God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength is put in?

 

[Dan_473]

For a christian church (building) it might be so there at that place, but not according to the bible.

very much according to the bible.

what goes through your mind when you read this
"For the whole law is fulfilled in one word"

what is a fulfilled law?

 

[Dan_473]

Remember those two commandments are the greatest of those commandments that are contained in the law. In what context do you suppose, Loving God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength is put in?

I agree that those are the two greatest commandments, with loving God as the greatest...


but I'm not sure about a single word that fulfills the entire law, except loving your neighbor...

it's critical, imo, to consider exactly what the bible says, and what it doesn't say...

 

[FreeNChrist]

If you're referring to me, which actions have I believe negates salvation through Jesus?
I don't pay attention to "rituals," instead following God's commands. And I follow all the ones that physically applicable. And if they're not applicable physically (i.e. sacrifices, other temple commands,) they're applicable spiritually. So I don't ignore any of them.

Thats too bad. Cause new covenant obedience is not law-based obedience that focuses on keeping rules and regulations, as the old covenant concept did. So you fail in either covenant.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

but you wrote that it is the same law as the law of Moses

Jeremiah 31:33

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put MY LAW(Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 36:26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This is the new covenant in Christ and this is the Law of Christ.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

He came to fulfill them. And He did.
Are you saying He didn't?

Luke 24:44

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

He (Jesus Christ) came to fulfill that which was written concerning Him in the Law , prophets and psalms. He did NOT come to destroy the law or the prophets as He clearly said. He said: Do not even let it enter your MIND, that I have come to destroy the Law(Moses) and the prophets! He at the same time WARNED against omitting the commandments contained IN it! (Matthew 5:17-19).

 

[FreeNChrist]

Luke 24:44

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

He (Jesus Christ) came to fulfill that which was written concerning Him in the Law , prophets and psalms. He did NOT come to destroy the law or the prophets as He clearly said. He said: Do not even let it enter your MIND, that I have come to destroy the Law(Moses) and the prophets! He at the same time WARNED against omitting the commandments contained IN it! (Matthew 5:17-19).

So, I take it you believe homosexuals (Lev. 20:23) and disobedient children (Deut. 21:18-21) should be killed?

 

[simplifiedtruth]

So, I take it you believe homosexuals (Lev. 20:23) and disobedient children (Deut. 21:18-21) should be killed?

That is what is just according to God. So yes. You do understand Jesus Christ is going to destroy allot of sinners when He returns ? I can guarantee you there will be no homosexuals floundering around in Christs 1000 year Kingdom and Rule!

If not then He would have to repent for destroying Sodom and Gomorrah and for drowning sinners in the flood.

We don't stone people because we do not have our own land as a nation yet, rather we boot them out of the assembly. But people die spiritually all the time, and that is death too. God is not the God of the dead but of the living. Men who have sex with men should not be in fellowship with followers of Christ. Those are reprobates given over to their own lusts and not to God.