An Earnest Inquiry

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dane_g87

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Before one of you takes this the wrong way, I will say that I do not think myself anything more than a wicked, worthless sinner—a mere human recipient of God's grace. I am simply seeking others who have been touched by the Holy Spirit and given new desires. I myself struggle, but I seek to strive to grow more and more like the Lord Jesus Christ.

Is there anyone here that strives to love the Lord with all their heart, soul, strength, and mind? Is there anyone here who is just sick of this world and its lusts, sensuality, and wickedness? Who can't get enough of Jesus Christ? Who strives to take every thought captive under the obedience of Christ (2 Cor 10:5)? Whose thoughts are consumed with Jesus Christ? Who strives to do ALL for the glory of God (1 Cor 10:31)? Who strives not to set their eyes on anything worthless (Psalm 101:3)? Who wants nothing to do with worldly TV shows and movies that make light of sin? Who wants nothing to do with worldly music that does not promote and glorify Jesus Christ?

If there is anyone out there who fits this description, and no I don't mean perfectly but striving, then please add me and let us fellowship. Because I am weak, and I am in need of fellowship and encouragement to continue running this race.

May the Lord bless you with the riches of His grace, with greater and greater measures of His Spirit.
 
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AliKat

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I feel this way, I am SO far from the christian I should be but recently I have had a desire to be the very best Christian I can. I feel many days, like I just want to run far far away. To live in the middle of nowhere, just me and God. I threw out my TV and all my collection of un Godly music. I even had to let go of some friends. And a boy I really liked. But those things were enterferring with my relationship with God. I know to some it seems crazy and extreme but I find this is best for me. Those things were leading me somewhere I did not need to be. I think a lot of times I can't contiue this. I am also weak and sometimes just want to give up. I think honestly how much easier my life was when I said whatever I wanted, watched, listened to whatever I wanted. I also need A LOT of encouragment!
 
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dane_g87

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Not many people have responded...and I am not surprised. So many people want to make the professions and claims of following Jesus. They want the benefits of being a Christian. But they don't want any of the cost of being a Christian! They want to hold onto their sins, their love for the world, their ungodly friends, their ungodly television shows and movies, their sensual clothes, and all their secret sins!

Folks come out of this paganism. It is not Christianity! Christianity is taking up your cross and following after the Lord Jesus Christ. He calls you to repent. REPENT! Do you know not what that means? It's just not a list of things to check off. Repentance involves turning away from everything, from every action, every word, every thought that contradicts the nature, will, and law of God. Oh how many of you who call yourselves Christians have responded to what the Gospel calls men to do!
 
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kayleekelly

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I've come back to this thread several times in the last few weeks. I've wanted to comment, but I guess I don't know how to say what's on my heart. Over the week, going through many of the CC Forums and quietly sitting in on the chat rooms, I have been disappointed, disgusted, and sometimes even disturbed. I'm not perfect. I'm just a baby Christian barely starting to realize that I truely need to make a change. Yet even I can see there is something seriously wrong with a great many that claim to be Christians. It is so diffcult to find the balence between Religious Legalism and "Saved-by-Grace-so-now-I- can-do-whatever-I-want."
Thank you for this post. It made me look around and start thinking. :eek:
 
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sportygirl

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I want to be this type of person, and badly want to pursue God and Jesus Christ with my full heart mind and body. BUt i struggle as well to stay focused on this and let other parts of my life to come in the way. Lately I have really been trying and as of lately I mean since sunday, not that I havent been trying before. BUt I recently had some stuff shake up my life and really make me think. As hard as it is, sometimes I believe things come in our life to get our attention. And I know very much that this is where I am but dont know how to go about makign the next steps in my life though.

We can live in the world but not be of the world, yet in teh society we are in we are pushed to be this way.
 
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dane_g87

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Kayleekelly you are blessed to have seen what you have seen and the convictions God has given you concerning something seriously wrong with alot of "Christianity." I would like to warn you and sportygirl alike and anyone else who reads this of alot of these errors floating around within Christianity. Read Matthew 7:13-23, and Christ Himself declares that a majority of those who claim Him as Lord are actually lost and don't truly know Him. Even so on this site, though it may be a Christian chat site, so much evil and error and false doctrine and sensuality is floating around on the forums and in the chats. Be warned. Don't take anything for what anyone says without comparing it with Scripture. And don't go along with the crowd just because "everyone's doing something" - diligently search the Scriptures to see just what God would have you do in every aspect of your life.

I would like to stay and chat and talk about some more important things, but I'm in the Marines and my unit just got called to humanitarian/security aid for Haiti, and I am leaving today. We should be gone for several months. Please stay in the word, study it, obey it, serve Christ, do all for His glory, and love others. God bless.
 
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hobe

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I agree with you kayleekelly.
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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I've been a Christian for a long time and I think that any true Christian wants to feel this way and be this way. Don't judge others though. You dont know what other Christians have been through or hurdles they've gotten over. Its true that not everyone says who they say they are and act contrary- but Christ works in all of us very differently depending on our situations and backgrounds.

Sin can be the result of many things whether its abuse, rejection, years of being an un-Christian, or physcial problems. Sometimes CC is a place for me to say things out loud that I can't say in church. It doesn't mean it's right, but I wont pretend we all dont do it. I think theres a certain healing quality to be open and honest even if it may seem offensive to others. I've learned a lot being here.

Its okay to point out to others where they fall (any real Christian welcomes it! I do) but dont do it in a critical spirit. You are not above anyone else because you dont struggle with one thing that another does. Jesus works in us according to His plans and spirit.

There are a lot of wrong things being taught in Christianity and there is a lot of apathy, but our job is to be loving and reaching out to others not condemning those who we dont see as spiritually worthy. Inspire with love and gentle correction.
 
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dane_g87

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Dread,
What do you mean by do not judge others? I know that a majority of "religious" people are self-righteous and judge others hypocritically, criticizing and condemning people who are not just like them. But aside from this wickedness the Scriptures command us many times to judge righteously and exercise discernment; to test all things and all people, to determine who is false, to avoid those who are found to be false.

You also said, "its true that not everyone who says they say they are and act contrary- but Christ works in all of us very differently" - do you realize that this statement goes contrary to what the apostle John declared in his first epistle? Read the book of 1 John. In this book there are various tests that he uses to determine if someone is a false Christian, based on their claims and if they are acting contrary to those claims. He says "those who say they are a Christian and act contrary are liars, deceived, and condemned." Do you see where your statement butts heads with the statements of John the apostle? You say, "it's true some people are hypocrites, but Christ works in all of us" but John says, "If you see a hypocrite who doesn't repent, he does not belong to Christ."

Look at some Scriptures with me if you will.
On Judging Others:
(John 7:24) Jesus said, "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." - We have a command here to judge righteously.

(Luke 17:3) Jesus said, "If your brother sins against you, rebuke him;" - Here we are charged by Christ to confront our fellow Christians when we see them fall into sin.

(Matthew 7:15-20) Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits...Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
- Jesus expects us to discern between true ministers and wolves in sheep's clothing, and also true from false disciples, knowing the difference based on their fruit.

(1 Corinthians 5:11-13) But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionernot even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore put away from yourselves the evil person. - How are you to obey this command, to avoid someone who claims to be a Christian and yet practices immorality, unless you exercise discernment and judgment? Paul even says it is a duty to judge fellow Christians within the church, leaving the judgment of unbelievers/non-Christians outside the church solely to God.

(1 Corinthians 11:31-32) For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. - Again Paul speaks of the duty of judgment within the church. If Christians judge among themselves in the church, they will not be judged/condemned by the Lord. When we are judged by our fellow Christians, it is God chastening us so that we do not continue on in sin, lest we become condemned. Judgment within the church is for our own good

(Revelation 2:2) Jesus said, "I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars;" - How do you think this church could have found these false apostles to be liars if they hadn't practiced judgment & discernment?

(Romans 16:17-18) Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. - How can you obey this command without exercising discernment/judgment?

1 John Tests

(1 John 1:6) If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. - Whoever claims to be a Christian and walks in darkness is a liar.

(1 John 2:4) He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. - Whoever claims to be a Christian and doesn't keep God's commandments is a liar.

(1 John 2:9) He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. - Whoever claims to be a Christian and hates his brother is a liar.
(1 John 3:15) Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

(1 John 2:15) Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. - Whoever claims to be a Christian and yet loves the world is a liar and does not have the love of God.

(1 John 3:7-8) Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. - Whoever claims to be a Christian and yet practices sin is actually a child of Satan.

(1 John 3:9-10) No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

As you can see all of these Scriptures involve exercising discernment and judgment over people who claim to be Christian and yet act contrary. According to you, we must not speak out against them. According to John/Paul, we not only must speak out, but they are false professors of faith and by all means must be warned because Scripture says they are still in their sins and going to Hell. That's the point of righteous judgment - warning with the hopes of leading someone to repentance that they may be saved. Anyone who judges for any other reason is not practicing righteous judgment.
 
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thank God you are not a judge otherwise we would be burning in hell right away.i believe in mercy and that faith is what gives u life.you think you are righteous,good for u but u are not going to judge the world Jesus is the one who died for us.You sound to me like Satan because when he was in heaven thats what he used to do,punish us for our sins,Job is a good example of how Satan acts or used punished us before God.i`m not saying that we are allow to sin but if for some reason we sin Gods is always capable to forgive.the keyword is practice,because if u commit a sin and u practice it than u are in trouble because u become a slave of that sin.you are focusing in the bad things not in the good things,because Paul teach us to be thankful to God for everything don`t forget that he created all things,have`t u read Kings when Salomon said that lord would dwell in the dark cloud so who are u to punish your brothers for what they do for what they don`t ,one thing i know u are not a perfect man neither i am we all make mistakes.psalm 139;14 i will praise you for i am fearfully and wonderfully made;marvelous are your works.
 
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dane_g87

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thank God you are not a judge otherwise we would be burning in hell right away.i believe in mercy and that faith is what gives u life.you think you are righteous,good for u but u are not going to judge the world Jesus is the one who died for us.You sound to me like Satan because when he was in heaven thats what he used to do,punish us for our sins,Job is a good example of how Satan acts or used punished us before God.i`m not saying that we are allow to sin but if for some reason we sin Gods is always capable to forgive.the keyword is practice,because if u commit a sin and u practice it than u are in trouble because u become a slave of that sin.you are focusing in the bad things not in the good things,because Paul teach us to be thankful to God for everything don`t forget that he created all things,have`t u read Kings when Salomon said that lord would dwell in the dark cloud so who are u to punish your brothers for what they do for what they don`t ,one thing i know u are not a perfect man neither i am we all make mistakes.psalm 139;14 i will praise you for i am fearfully and wonderfully made;marvelous are your works.
Wait a second here you have obviously read me totally wrong since you're throwing all these ugly accusations against me that just aren't true. First, I've never said or thought I was righteous; I know full well my own wretchedness, that I fail God every single day. Second, I've never said or desired or wanted to judge the world...this is Jesus' job as the Judge of the living and the dead.

You accuse me of being unjust and Satan because I've quoted Scripture? I am here preaching discernment that is commanded all throughout the Scriptures. The discernment by which we determine what things are right from wrong, the discernment by which we determine if someone who claims to be a Christian is doing something they should or shouldn't...the discernment by which we can know whether or not a teacher is true or false...the discernment by which we can know whether or not the claims of a person calling themself a Christian is true. You obviously overlooked or ignored all the Scriptures I posted because that's the evidence and hard facts clearly laid forth for you to see that I have not made these things up.

When I speak of judgment or discernment within the house of God, among believers, I am not talking about a condemnatory judgment by which you send people to Hell. I'm talking about confronting your brother or sister in Christ out of love about their sin, in hopes that they may repent and prevent any further damage to their reputation and the glory of God. Just like you'd slap away a child's hand if he were about to burn his hands on a red hot stove top...or run in and hollar at a person sleeping while their house was on fire, that they may escape to safety. But you have accused me of condemning people to Hell.

I kindly ask that you take the time to read someone's post and consider the Scriptures they've laid forth before you go off judging motives and hurling such nasty accusations against them.
 
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oopsies

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I'm confused... what is the true purpose of your enquiry? Somehow, I don't think you are simply asking for fellowship. It feels to me that the primary objective is to weed out the goats from the sheep on CC.
 
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dane_g87

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Oopsies, it feels like that to you doesn't it? It's a good thing Jesus commanded us to "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment." As you can see the origin of my post here was back in December 2009. I had to leave because of my job for several months, and I just returned recently. Since I've been back I saw some new posts. My recent posts were in response to Dread_Zeppellen and ever1, in which I have carried on a completely different subject.

I hope you haven't made your assumptions based on preconceived bias. Judge with righteous judgment. It is foolish for one to answer a matter before he fully hears and examines it. (Proverbs 18:13)
 
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oopsies

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Oopsies, it feels like that to you doesn't it? It's a good thing Jesus commanded us to "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment." As you can see the origin of my post here was back in December 2009. I had to leave because of my job for several months, and I just returned recently. Since I've been back I saw some new posts. My recent posts were in response to Dread_Zeppellen and ever1, in which I have carried on a completely different subject.

I hope you haven't made your assumptions based on preconceived bias. Judge with righteous judgment. It is foolish for one to answer a matter before he fully hears and examines it. (Proverbs 18:13)
That's why I asked. I am examining. But you have not answered straightly. It is foolish to trust someone who does not answer straightly. :)
 
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dane_g87

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That's why I asked. I am examining. But you have not answered straightly. It is foolish to trust someone who does not answer straightly. :)
If you were really examining you would have asked the necessary questions apart from making the unnecessary assumptions and hinting to the fact that my intentions were malicious...please don't try to hide this. I don't understand how I haven't answered straightly...you assumed I was being malicious, and I explained my position..that I was responding to the recent posts of those individuals. In all reality this was between them and myself. But you've come barging in and assuming things and insinuating malicious intent which is just not true, it is hurtful, wrong, and inappropriate. If you want to know my original intent of my original inquiry, please go back up to that first post and my intent is clearly laid out and explained. I wanted and hoped to have genuine believers find it and be encouraged and add me, who aren't about loving and justifying their sins, but who are broken over their sins and are completely sold out for Jesus Christ.
 
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dane_g87

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People like you - you come in here thinking you're all right and with your omniscience you can scrutinize and judge motives and hearts, and when you're confronted about it you brush it off, justifying yourself. You don't know my motives and you cannot see my heart. The fact that you deemed my pure motives to be impure, out of personal assumption and bias, is just unbiblical and even sinful. It is people like you that I want to avoid. I want to find genuine believers sold out for Christ who are broken over their sins, because I myself am in need of such influence as I am faced with temptations daily and I struggle to fight the fight of faith and pursuing holiness.
 
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oopsies

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Ok, you say I am beating around the bush. So I will ask you:

a) do you have motives other than just looking for fellowship?
b) are you trying to separate the goats from the sheep on CC or anything similar or along those lines?

Is that clear enough? Should only take a bunch of yes's or no's, right? :)
 
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dane_g87

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Ok, you say I am beating around the bush. So I will ask you:

a) do you have motives other than just looking for fellowship?
b) are you trying to separate the goats from the sheep on CC or anything similar or along those lines?

Is that clear enough? Should only take a bunch of yes's or no's, right? :)
Thanks for totally ignoring my previous posts. It is obvious you are not concerned about reading and responding to the things people have to say, and instead only voicing your own opinion and demanding your own questions.

a) As quoted from my original post, where I told you to look in order to find the answer to your question: "If there is anyone out there who fits this description, and no I don't mean perfectly but striving, then please add me and let us fellowship. Because I am weak, and I am in need of fellowship and encouragement to continue running this race." Therefore the motive in this post was indeed for fellowship, and you could have easily seen this yourself.

b) My job is not to separate the sheep from the goats as very clearly in Scripture it is the Lord who does this on the last day (Matthew 25). Therefore your answer is no, as it has always been here in my post.
 
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dane_g87

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You could have easily asked these questions from the start apart from all those false assumptions and judging my heart to be malicious. As you can see now that your assumptions have proven to be false, will you now own up to your sin and apologize? Or will you go on justifying yourself and your sin and brushing it off? I stand ready to forgive.
 
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glenwood74

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Well, Dane, you've stirred up a hornets nest here. I enjoy your post and the scriptures you quoted. When I read your posts, I do not get the sense that you are being judgmental, in fact, just the opposite. I'm not sure why you have been attacked so intensely. I thank God that there are young men out there with a true calling for Jesus Christ, and a call for true repentance in their lives. I would be honored to be your friend.