Science Disproves Evolution

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God, who seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to make sure there would be no doubt. Notice the phrase; "...the evening and the morning were the first day." That phrase is repeated for the other days. A literal day includes an evening and a morning.

Why do you fight against the obvious?

Just because there was a morning and an evening doesn't prove that it was a literal 24 hour day.

In order for what you are saying to be true,

Everything would have to just "pop" into being,

God/Jesus could have done it that way,

But I don't believe that He did.

I believe that evolution is the way that Jesus formed Man.

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If you understand the spiritual principles (symbolism) of the story, (Gen 1:1-31, 2:1-3) they will always be true,

When you try to make it literal,

in view of the investigative work of people over the last 100 yrs.,

It just won't fit the results.
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You don't believe that the earth is flat, do you?

You don't believe that the universe and creation were created in 6 literal, 24 hour days do you?

 

[Pahu]

Just because there was a morning and an evening doesn't prove that it was a literal 24 hour day.

In order for what you are saying to be true,

Everything would have to just "pop" into being,

God/Jesus could have done it that way,

But I don't believe that He did.

That is the way He reveled it happened.

I believe that evolution is the way that Jesus formed Man.

What evidence supports your assertion?

If you understand the spiritual principles (symbolism) of the story, (Gen 1:1-31, 2:1-3) they will always be true,

When you try to make it literal,

in view of the investigative work of people over the last 100 yrs.,

It just won't fit the results.

Do you believe man rather than God?

You don't believe that the earth is flat, do you?

No. Do you? Why do you ask?

You don't believe that the universe and creation were created in 6 literal, 24 hour days do you?

God revealed He created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. The details concerning the earth were created in six literal days.

 

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That is the way He reveled it happened.

But that still doesn't mean that it was literal,

literal is only how some understand it.

What evidence supports your assertion?

Prove to me absolutely, that the universe and earth were created in 6 literal, 24 hour days,

How will you do that?

Science ? You maintain that science is wrong,

Will you now use science to prove your theory?

Do you believe man rather than God?

I believe God,

I just disagree with your interpretation of the creation story.

No. Do you? Why do you ask?

The flat earth theory was endorsed and excepted, by the religious people of the time until it was found to be untrue,

The Bible is not wrong, only the people who taught the theory were wrong.

God revealed He created the heavens and the earth in the beginning.

True.

The details concerning the earth were created in six literal days.

 

[Pahu]

You maintain that science is wrong

Where did you get that idea?

 

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Where did you get that idea?

The creation story is a 3000 yr old account of the creation of the 4 elements,

Air, water, earth and fire.

It shows spiritual truths to people of all time.

 

[BeyondET]

Alittle sprinkle of plasma as well

 

[BeyondET]

Though plasma is the most abundant ordinary matter in the universe it's kind of referred to as the fifth element.

 

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Pahu,

Look outside your window,

Do you see a tree?

Did God create that tree?

I'm going to assume, that you would agree, that God created that tree.

But HOW did God create that tree?

Did it just pop into existence from void?

It has been a long time since creation, but God created that tree.

It was a long creation process to create that tree.

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You are God's creation,

How did God create you?

Didn't you have parents and grandparents, etc.?

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The creation took billions of years,

But it is symbolized by God, as the creation of the elements, at the time of Moses.

It is spoken symbolically, so that all men, for all time will understand the spiritual principals involved, (light-dark, chaos-order).

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The literal understanding of the creation story (Gen 1:1-31, 2:1-3), has been the top theory for the last few thousand years,

It's interpretation had not been challenged because of lack of information.

It seems that the earth is not 6000-7000 years old.

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[Pahu]

Pahu,

Look outside your window,

Do you see a tree?

Did God create that tree?

I'm going to assume, that you would agree, that God created that tree.

But HOW did God create that tree?

Did it just pop into existence from void?

It has been a long time since creation, but God created that tree.

It was a long creation process to create that tree.

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You are God's creation,

How did God create you?

Didn't you have parents and grandparents, etc.?

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The creation took billions of years,

But it is symbolized by God, as the creation of the elements, at the time of Moses.

God has revealed He created the trees and my ancestors during creation week.

It is spoken symbolically, so that all men, for all time will understand the spiritual principals involved, (light-dark, chaos-order).

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The literal understanding of the creation story (Gen 1:1-31, 2:1-3), has been the top theory for the last few thousand years,

It's interpretation had not been challenged because of lack of information.

Where does your information comes from, God or man?

It seems that the earth is not 6000-7000 years old.

Actually, most dating techniques indicate that the Earth and solar system are young—possibly less than 10,000 years old. Here are some of these points of evidence: In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - Most Scientific Dating Techniques Indicate That the Earth, Solar System, and Universe Are Young.

 

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God has revealed He created the trees and my ancestors during creation week.

This is true, but the week is symbolic not literal.

Where does your information comes from, God or man?

How did you come to the conclusion that the creation days were 6 literal, 24 hour days?

Did someone tell you that it Had to be that way?

That it cannot be symbolic?

That it is impossible, that it is symbolic?

We know that there is a lot of symbolism there.

Could it be that it is almost all symbolic?

Actually, most dating techniques indicate that the Earth and solar system are young—possibly less than 10,000 years old. Here are some of these points of evidence: In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - Most Scientific Dating Techniques Indicate That the Earth, Solar System, and Universe Are Young.

Really? "Most" scientific dating techniques?

I think that "most" geology textbooks would disagree.

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Will you be like the person on this website who still "preaches" that the earth is flat?

Perhaps, he thinks that it is a worldwide plot to make people think the world is round, when it is really flat.

Do you think that there is a worldwide plot to make the universe/earth look billions of years old?

If the earth is billions of years old,

It doesn't prove that the Bible false,...............

 

[Pahu]

Much evidence supports Earth as the origin of meteorites​

• Minerals and isotopes in meteorites are remarkably similar to those on Earth.

• Some meteorites contain sugars, salt crystals containing liquid water,[SUP]73[/SUP] and possible cellulose.

• Other meteorites contain limestone, which, on Earth, forms only in liquid water.

• Many meteorites contain excess amounts of left-handed amino acids—a sign of once-living matter.

• NASA has found DNA components in 12 meteorites.

• A few meteorites show that “salt-rich fluids analogous to terrestrial brines” flowed through their veins.

• Some meteorites have about twice the heavy hydrogen concentration as Earth’s water today. As explained in the preceding chapter and in Endnote 88 on page 379, this heavy hydrogen came from the subterranean chambers. About 86% of all meteorites contain chondrules, which are best explained by the hydroplate theory.

• Bacteria fossils have been found in three meteorites.

Seventy-eight types of living bacteria have been found in two meteorites after extreme precautions were taken to avoid contamination. Bacteria need liquid water to live, grow, and reproduce. Obviously, liquid water does not exist inside meteoroids whose temperatures in outer space are near absolute zero (- 460°F). Therefore, the bacteria must have been living in the presence of liquid water before being launched into space. Once in space, they quickly froze and became dormant. Had bacteria originated in outer space, what would they have eaten?

Meteorites containing chondrules, salt crystals, limestone, water, DNA components, possible cellulose, sugars, living and fossil bacteria, terrestrial-like brines, excess left-handed amino acids and heavy hydrogen, and Earthlike minerals, isotopes, and other components implicate Earth as their source—and the fountains of the great deep as the powerful launcher.

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids2.html#wp6476653

 

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Much evidence supports Earth as the origin of meteorites​

• Minerals and isotopes in meteorites are remarkably similar to those on Earth.

• Some meteorites contain sugars, salt crystals containing liquid water,[SUP]73[/SUP] and possible cellulose.

• Other meteorites contain limestone, which, on Earth, forms only in liquid water.

• Many meteorites contain excess amounts of left-handed amino acids—a sign of once-living matter.

• NASA has found DNA components in 12 meteorites.

• A few meteorites show that “salt-rich fluids analogous to terrestrial brines” flowed through their veins.

• Some meteorites have about twice the heavy hydrogen concentration as Earth’s water today. As explained in the preceding chapter and in Endnote 88 on page 379, this heavy hydrogen came from the subterranean chambers. About 86% of all meteorites contain chondrules, which are best explained by the hydroplate theory.

• Bacteria fossils have been found in three meteorites.

Seventy-eight types of living bacteria have been found in two meteorites after extreme precautions were taken to avoid contamination. Bacteria need liquid water to live, grow, and reproduce. Obviously, liquid water does not exist inside meteoroids whose temperatures in outer space are near absolute zero (- 460°F). Therefore, the bacteria must have been living in the presence of liquid water before being launched into space. Once in space, they quickly froze and became dormant. Had bacteria originated in outer space, what would they have eaten?

Meteorites containing chondrules, salt crystals, limestone, water, DNA components, possible cellulose, sugars, living and fossil bacteria, terrestrial-like brines, excess left-handed amino acids and heavy hydrogen, and Earthlike minerals, isotopes, and other components implicate Earth as their source—and the fountains of the great deep as the powerful launcher.

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids2.html#wp6476653

Pahu,

Who gave Moses the story of creation?

What was the method used in relating the story?

When did Moses learn the story?

Where was Moses when he learned the story?

 

[Pahu]

Pahu,

Who gave Moses the story of creation?

What was the method used in relating the story?

When did Moses learn the story?

Where was Moses when he learned the story?

He was inspired by God.

 

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He was inspired by God.

Very good "non-answers".

Avoiding the questions?

Don't you have any ideas?

 

[Pahu]

Bounded Variations​

Not only do Mendel’s laws give a theoretical explanation for why variations are limited, broad experimental verification also exists (a). For example, if evolution happened, organisms (such as bacteria) that quickly produce the most offspring should have the most variations and mutations. Natural selection would then select the more favorable changes, allowing organisms with those traits to survive, reproduce, and pass on their beneficial genes. Therefore, organisms that have allegedly evolved the most should have short reproduction cycles and many offspring. We see the opposite. In general, more complex organisms, such as humans, have fewer offspring and longer reproduction cycles (b). Again, variations within existing organisms appear to be bounded.

Organisms that occupy the most diverse environments in the greatest numbers for the longest times should also, according to macroevolution, have the greatest potential for evolving new features and species. Microbes falsify this prediction as well. Their numbers per species are astronomical, and they are dispersed throughout almost all the world’s environments. Nevertheless, the number of microbial species is relatively few (c). New features apparently don’t evolve.

a. “...the discovery of the Danish scientist W. L. Johannsen that the more or less constant somatic variations upon which Darwin and Wallace had placed their emphasis in species change cannot be selectively pushed beyond a certain point, that such variability does not contain the secret of ‘indefinite departure.” Loren Eiseley, Darwin’s Century (Garden City, New York: Doubleday & Co., Inc., 1958), p. 227.

b. “The awesome morphological complexity of organisms such as vertebrates that have far fewer individuals on which selection can act therefore remains somewhat puzzling (for me at least), despite the geological time scales available…” Peter R. Sheldon, “Complexity Still Running,” Nature, Vol. 350, 14 March 1991, p. 104.

c. Bland J. Finlay, “Global Dispersal of Free-Living Microbial Eukaryote Species,” Science, Vol. 296, 10 May 2002, pp. 1061–1063.

[]In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - 4.

 

[Talishi]

Just because there was a morning and an evening doesn't prove that it was a literal 24 hour day.

A morning is when the sun comes up. An evening is when the sun goes down. There were three mornings and evenings before there was even a sun.

 

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A morning is when the sun comes up. An evening is when the sun goes down. There were three mornings and evenings before there was even a sun.

Time, as men understand it, wasn't created until the fourth day.

 

[BeyondET]

A morning is when the sun comes up. An evening is when the sun goes down. There were three mornings and evenings before there was even a sun.

True so we can't use our sun as a reference too point to a 24 hour day of creation because the sun is pretty much how we determine a full day today we use man created seconds minutes too produce what we call a 24 hour day. The word day was used as a type of reference to time spent creating though not referenced as a 24 hour day but just simply a human mind comprehensive statement day 1,2 and so on.

 

[BeyondET]

Almost every person who thinks creation was done in consecutive 24 hour days will avoid talking about the seconds and minutes in a hour for they have no idea why we do this, for its not written in scripture about seconds and minutes. a person has to think more in a human way of thinking to find the answer, God forbid we do that, people just keep on telling time by these man made measurements of time without knowing why we do use them to determine a hour.

 

[Pahu]

A morning is when the sun comes up. An evening is when the sun goes down. There were three mornings and evenings before there was even a sun.

Since God created the heavens and Earth in the beginning, wouldn't that include the sun.