How Should We See Jesus?

[ladylynn]

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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]Imagine the following scenario: A father tells his little girl, “Come here, girl. Mummy says that you have been playing by the roadside. Is that true?” “Yes, Daddy. I am sorry.” “Sorry? How many times have I told you not to play near the road? Come here! Lie down on the road and stretch out your legs!”

Daddy drives his car over his little girl’s legs. You can hear the sound of bones being crushed and the poor girl screaming in pain!
“Now, darling, you know that Daddy loves you. And Daddy did that to teach you a lesson, that playing by the roadside is dangerous.”

You are probably shaking your head in horror by now, wondering which sick father would do that. Yet, there are many Christians who believe that our heavenly Father does the same thing. They say that He gives people sicknesses, accidents, earthquakes and death to teach them lessons.

But Jesus said, “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” Jesus is the nature of God in action. Throughout the Gospels, we see Jesus or God going about healing the sick. If God wants some people sick, then there should be at least one incident in the Gospels where you see Jesus saying, “Behold, your complexion is too lovely, receive leprosy,” or “Blindness is good for you. Remain blind.” But no, never once! In fact, Jesus “went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil”. (Acts 10:38) That’s the heart of God.

As a father, if your child is sick and in pain, your heart just wants him well. How much more your heavenly Father! My friend, God does not give your child a sickness to teach both of you some lesson or to glorify Himself. To think so is to talk out of a warped mind bound by religion! And Christianity is not a religion. It is a loving relationship with your Father in heaven.

Beloved, hear God speaking this to your heart today: “I will never punish you for your sins because they have been punished in My Son’s body. I do not wish you ill. I will not take away your child or give you a car wreck to teach you some lesson. My heart always wants My children well and joyful!”[/TD]
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Destined To Reign Devotional 9/2

 

[Grace777x70]

It's funny but that is just how religion portrays our Father - as someone that gives diseases and tragedies to His children to "teach" then things.

We would throw people in jail for this type of behavior and do we really think that our sense of right and wrong ( which we got from the Lord in the first place ) is better then God's characteristics?

Jesus is perfect theology. He is the exact representation of the nature of God . Heb. 1:1-3

No where do we see Him putting diseases and tragedies in people's lives to "teach" them things.

If we want to see how our Father disciplines His children - see how Jesus disciplined the disciples - it was always with His word. Jesus is perfect theology.

 

[ladylynn]

I used to believe that God sent sickness in our lives for many years. Then when my son was injured in Iraq I began reeeeeaallly needing to know Jesus so there would be answers for my son and how I should or could pray. We needed to know how Jesus really is. Basically beginning all over again and learning about Jesus. What is His heart like and how is my heart supposed to be.

The answers were very different than my religion had taught us all those years before. I'm very thankful to have begun this journey into knowing who Jesus really is and how seeing Jesus IS seeing the Father.

 

[ladylynn]

There were reasons we were taught that God sent sickness and problems into our lives. I got to thinking about it again when answering another woman in a thread here. She believed that Paul's thorn in the flesh was some sickness that God put on him. I always was taught that too. I just believed what other Christians said.

A basic "principle" I thought about God was He would rather us "maimed" if it meant saving our souls. If your eye offend you cut it out. If your arm or hand or leg offend you cut it off. I thought that was God saying if you are weak in life, you need to learn how to be strong so you suffer and learn better than to go through life making stupid sinful choices.

But that is just not proper theology. It's not God's nature. It's like you said Grace777., Jesus is perfect theology.



“I will never punish you for your sins because they have been punished in My Son’s body. I do not wish you ill. I will not take away your child or give you a car wreck to teach you some lesson. My heart always wants My children well and joyful!”

 

[ladylynn]

The question that imo everyone should be asking is what does the Bible really say. Not what does someone say the Bible says. Even if a teacher I have long respected believes something in the Bible I still need to find out for myself. Even if those people or teachers or preachers are smart and know their Bible's enough to give chapter and verse. They still don't know my life and what God has been teaching me through His Word for the last 5 years.

There is a time to take hold of my own relationship with Jesus so that He and I will do this journey together. I can't do this journey with anyone but Him and no one can take His place to guide and teach and comfort and protect me. Only Jesus going before me is how I will get through.

Having a personal relationship and knowledge of who Jesus is to me and what I am to Him. If we believers don't have that., the relationship is at best only partially there. And so will be the trust and the faith in Him to do what He promises to do.

 

[ladylynn]

Another question I had and the answer was very different than it was 5 years ago. If someone got sick next door or if another believer was sick., what should my faith and reaction be? Should I measure my life according to theirs and expect the same? And also if I get sick and my brother or sister didn't., should I feel less loved and cared for by Jesus than them?

These were important questions to have answered and the answer was I could not look at someone else and measure my faith by theirs. I have to base faith on Jesus and not people. I don't have all the information to know how or why someone is going through or not going through experiences. Looking at others is a downward trip to endless questions there will never be answers to.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]Imagine the following scenario: A father tells his little girl, “Come here, girl. Mummy says that you have been playing by the roadside. Is that true?” “Yes, Daddy. I am sorry.” “Sorry? How many times have I told you not to play near the road? Come here! Lie down on the road and stretch out your legs!”

Daddy drives his car over his little girl’s legs. You can hear the sound of bones being crushed and the poor girl screaming in pain!
“Now, darling, you know that Daddy loves you. And Daddy did that to teach you a lesson, that playing by the roadside is dangerous.”

You are probably shaking your head in horror by now, wondering which sick father would do that. Yet, there are many Christians who believe that our heavenly Father does the same thing. They say that He gives people sicknesses, accidents, earthquakes and death to teach them lessons.

But Jesus said, “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” Jesus is the nature of God in action. Throughout the Gospels, we see Jesus or God going about healing the sick. If God wants some people sick, then there should be at least one incident in the Gospels where you see Jesus saying, “Behold, your complexion is too lovely, receive leprosy,” or “Blindness is good for you. Remain blind.” But no, never once! In fact, Jesus “went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil”. (Acts 10:38) That’s the heart of God.

As a father, if your child is sick and in pain, your heart just wants him well. How much more your heavenly Father! My friend, God does not give your child a sickness to teach both of you some lesson or to glorify Himself. To think so is to talk out of a warped mind bound by religion! And Christianity is not a religion. It is a loving relationship with your Father in heaven.

Beloved, hear God speaking this to your heart today: “I will never punish you for your sins because they have been punished in My Son’s body. I do not wish you ill. I will not take away your child or give you a car wreck to teach you some lesson. My heart always wants My children well and joyful!”[/TD]
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Destined To Reign Devotional 9/2

More false doctrine not based on the words of God.

Psalm 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Luke 12:49
I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Isaiah 54:8
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.

Job 5:17
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:


Proverbs 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction:


Hebrews 12:5
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Throughout the Gospels, we see Jesus or God going about healing the sick. If God wants some people sick, then there should be at least one incident in the Gospels where you see Jesus saying, “Behold, your complexion is too lovely, receive leprosy,” or “Blindness is good for you. Remain blind.” But no, never once!

John 5:13-14

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Beloved, hear God speaking this to your heart today: “I will never punish you for your sins because they have been punished in My Son’s body

More false doctrine, That is not what God said.

Jeremiah 25:29
For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the Lord of hosts.


Jeremiah 30:11
For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.


Jeremiah 46:28
Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.


Jeremiah 49:12
For thus saith the Lord; Behold, they whose judgment was not to drink of the cup have assuredly drunken; and art thou he that shall altogether go unpunished? thou shalt not go unpunished, but thou shalt surely drink of it.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is an excellent post by JGIG about the discipline of the Lord.

Quote:

God does not beat his children.

Godly discipline is training for the future, not punishment for our past.

An excellent teaching regarding this issue can be heard here (it addresses the Hebrews 12 'scourging' language):

Church Without Religion | By His Stripes Or Ours​

Please, please, please listen to it!

-JGIG

Unquote:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...e-deeper-look-hyper-stuff-31.html#post2729050

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 

[Grace777x70]

John 5:13-14

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

That scripture has absolutely nothing to do with God putting diseases and tragedies on His children to "teach" them things as religion has taught in the past.

There are natural consequences to some sins.

For example - if you murder someone in Texas - they will "kill you back" - if 2 witnesses saw you in do the crime.

If you decided to start shooting heroin in your arms today - you will die way before your time.

 

[ladylynn]

More false doctrine not based on the words of God.

Psalm 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Luke 12:49
I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Isaiah 54:8
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.

Job 5:17
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:


Proverbs 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction:


Hebrews 12:5
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

And the question I finally asked the Lord is what IS the chastening of the Lord? Is it getting run over by a car to teach me lessons not to go out in the street kind of chastening? No I found out it is not getting struck by cars or by bolts of lightening. And it is also my responsibility to KNOW that if I have seen Jesus I have seen the Father and must expect from my Father good and not evil all the days of my life. Getting run over by a car was NOT good. That was NOT of the Lord..,that is of the car and or of the enemy who hangs out in this world of sin.

Does the Lord's "correction" and "rebuking" have to do with being killed and being struck down by our now Abba Father's hand? no. Don't attribute to God something that He does not do. If we do., we will totally accept sickness and death as being from Him and not pray accordingly. I would actually be walking in unbelief of the goodness of God in my life and His good intentions at all times for me.

My responsibility as a daughter of the King is to keep seeing Jesus no matter what else comes up and "seems" to be the truth. I need to know the truth and that knowing and believing will set me free each and every time.

 

[Ultimatum77]

When we get to Heaven and open our eyes....that's my best answer to the thread title

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yet, there are many Christians who believe that our heavenly Father does the same thing. They say that He gives people sicknesses, accidents, earthquakes and death to teach them lessons.

Deuteronomy 28:15-68

[SUP]15 [/SUP]But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
[SUP]50 [/SUP]A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
[SUP]54 [/SUP]So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
[SUP]55 [/SUP]So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
[SUP]57 [/SUP]And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;
[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
[SUP]60 [/SUP]Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
[SUP]62 [/SUP]And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.
[SUP]63 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]64 [/SUP]And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
[SUP]65 [/SUP]And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
[SUP]66 [/SUP]And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
[SUP]67 [/SUP]In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
[SUP]68 [/SUP]And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

 

[ladylynn]

When we get to Heaven and open our eyes....that's my best answer to the thread title

What about the admonition to grow in the faith? To grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ? Should we not be seeing His hand daily working in our lives now even today? What is faith all about? Do we need faith when we get to heaven? no., we won't need faith there. Right now we fight the good fight of faith. To dismiss today is not something I can do any more. I can know Him today and the power of His resurrection today. As a matter of fact we are told to do that now.., not save up for later but be learning right now.

 

[mpaper345]

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,and when Jesus walked this earth,He did not hurt a single person,did not wish harm on a single person,did not pass judgment in a physical punishment way,turned the other cheek,took verbal and physical abuse without retaliation,when hung on the cross said,forgive them Father for they know not what they do,did not come in to the world to condemn,but to save,called Judas Iscariot friend when he betrayed Jesus.

If you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father,and it is the Father than dwells in Him,He does the works,so however Jesus acted,it is God's love towards humanity,which Jesus did not hurt a single person,and did not want a single person to be harmed,and as He taught the disciples,be harmless as doves,He also did abide by that.

The love that Jesus displayed while on earth,which is the Father Himself portraying His love for mankind,is the same love that applies now,so however Jesus acted towards people when He walked this earth,is the same love that applies now.

 

[Grace777x70]

More false doctrine, That is not what God said.

Jeremiah 25:29
For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the Lord of hosts.


Jeremiah 30:11
For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.


Jeremiah 46:28
Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.


Jeremiah 49:12
For thus saith the Lord; Behold, they whose judgment was not to drink of the cup have assuredly drunken; and art thou he that shall altogether go unpunished? thou shalt not go unpunished, but thou shalt surely drink of it.

My goodness - it's no wonder your religion has you all mixed up. Have you ever heard of the New Covenant?

Hebrews 10:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."

[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

Romans 4:5-8 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

[SUP]7 [/SUP] "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."


I can see that you no idea what the gospel of the grace of Christ actually is. Paul tells us that God was in Christ - not counting their sins against them.

2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,

[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Did you see what our ministry is to be in the New Covenant? We are to give people the "word of reconciliation" that is already been made for them. This is why your religion and posts are NOT the gospel in any shape or form.

We don't have the ministry of condemnation as this what your religion gives out - but we have the gospel of the grace of Christ which is the ministry of reconciliation - this is the ministry that God approves. Come over into the New Covenant!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Luke 12:47
And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

 

[ladylynn]

Deuteronomy 28:15-68

[SUP]15 [/SUP]But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]The Lord shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
[SUP]50 [/SUP]A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
[SUP]54 [/SUP]So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
[SUP]55 [/SUP]So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
[SUP]57 [/SUP]And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;
[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
[SUP]60 [/SUP]Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
[SUP]62 [/SUP]And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.
[SUP]63 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
[SUP]64 [/SUP]And the Lord shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
[SUP]65 [/SUP]And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
[SUP]66 [/SUP]And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
[SUP]67 [/SUP]In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
[SUP]68 [/SUP]And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

You need a revelation of the new covenant of grace. We are no longer under the law when God dealt with Israel according to their works. Grace has come in Christ. Unearned favor and love from Him to us. It is the love of God that constrains us and motivates us not the fear of God. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth is needed here. We have all of the promises and none of the curses. How is that for so great a salvation??!!