Fight the good fight of faith

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I didn't know that I was being judged and found lacking
I told you and I will tell you again. When I am on my home computer I will look at it

You think I am using some sort of diversion tactic

But remember that is YOU thinking this. And just because YOU think this does not make it true and truth of another

One of the reasons we are told not to judge is because we make mistakes and misjudge
 
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Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 Corinthians 6:2-3 (KJV, MBM)
 

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Well even on my handheld phone I can see there is a lot more involved than just looking at post 116

I like the toilet and the mister twister jingle

Who's suggestion was that?
 

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Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 Corinthians 6:2-3 (KJV, MBM)
At the end. Do you not kn ow that we have no right to uproot what we in our own fleshly eyes deem Tares?

Do you not know that HE alone is the LORD of THE HARVEST?

Do you think we can make a right judgement now and uproot and tear down and curse and avenge and live by the sword?

What if that very tare that we deemed with bad eyesight a tare today is really and was supposed to have been a wheat tomorrow?
 
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miknik5

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Keep your eyes in HIM and plow. Once you take your eyes off HIM to examine your brother (the other workers) the field becomes a mess
 
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At the end. Do you not kn ow that we have no right to uproot what we in our own fleshly eyes deem Tares?

Do you not know that HE alone is the LORD of THE HARVEST?

Do you think we can make a right judgement now and uproot and tear down and curse and avenge and live by the sword?

What if that very tare that we deemed with bad eyesight a tare today is really and was supposed to have been a wheat tomorrow?
ma'am. I was not directing any judgment at you, personally. I don't know you.
 

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And by the way Disciple Mike. what is the sin being judged by those here who are the older stronger fed and filled and fat sheep (brothers)?

You are to "judge" (not to condemnation) WHEN YOU SEE YOUR BROTHER's SIN

Not to accuse your brother of sin
 
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[/COLOR]we will gladly welcome him bc we are ready for the strong meat of the word! unfortunately you are not yet ready.
I realise what people see as "meat" is the painting of a road with signs on it.
And the signs appear to be acts from self or the flesh, legalism and condemnation, and then leading
by God. It means the content is weighed greatly by those who focus on this view, but to call it
meat in any life sense is to loose ones marbles.

And then there is the continual disdain, arrogance, proclamations, claiming of divine insight from God,
putting all the "unspiritual" in their place, while never actually addressing the core problem.

Sin has to be repented of, and righteousness walked in. Our goal is love, uplifting each other in prayer
and singing praises to God.

Now if this was actually achieved there would be no issues, but sadly the failure has to be explained
away somehow. It is like WOF claiming the waves and weather obey their command.
Not seen them calming hurricans, or telling storms to stop, or tornadoes to cease to be.

It is always easy to say we should know Gods healing in our lives, which we do in spiritual terms
to become christians, but actually in physical health terms, yet though people believe the Lord will
act like this, get serious illnesses and often die or only get better with medical help.

So though I hate to disappoint people who are truly trying to reach out to God, when they make
God into some feeble miracle worker who does not touch the heart, it is not really faith at all but
unbelief.
 

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ma'am. I was not directing any judgment at you, personally. I don't know you.
I wasn't directing any judgement towards you either. I was simply stating the TRUTH that all who belong to HIM were told regarding HIS FIELD
 
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Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.
Mark 12:30

Now imagine saying I cannot do this from self, but from the spirit.
Now my soul, my heart, my mind, my strength, is all I am. So God is saying I am to love Him
with all I am, which very much includes self.

Now to say self is evil, wrong, works based salvation is ludicrous. God is calling us to be so
passionate about Him there is nothing else in our lives as important or passionate.

Amen, Praise the Lord. He is the King.

Now this is the good fight, the fight to demonstrate God is in everything, and through everything
and uses everything. We are His children when we walk in righteousness walk as His representatives,
a Holy God meeting men, day to day.

What staggars me is these people would try and say to be passionate for the Lord is self works, and
evil, hypocracy, and attempt not only to discourage me, but call me anti-Christ.

What a bunch of lost people, because whatever they are following the passion Christ expresses has
100% passed them by. Their hearts do not rejoice with good things, and weep with sinful acts, but
gets involved is some confused complex insight into the flesh and the spirit, which takes up all their
time. So if you can avoid them, because they just tangle people in knots and condemn anyone not
of their brand as legalists do so... after almost a year + talking with them, they have no desire to
change or even listen, just continue their continual condemnation and propoganda.
 
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Actually no. Most want Heaven as a reward for a life they think they lived well.
And as Jesus said, I will tell them, depart from me for I never knew you.

Gods children are like paul. They are focused on the here and now, They do not have time to think of the future, God has something from them to do.. And if they are worried about all all the bad things, or how well they are doing, they can not do Gods will.

As paul said, My desire is to be absent from the body, but present with God. But I want to do what he wants, His will, not mine, Same with Jesus, If any way, let this cup pass. Not mine but yours be done.

People who focus on how good they are. are self focused, and can not be used by God. Legalist, who preach self righteousness is a means to heaven, need to humble themselves and repent, so they can be saved, or they will be lost like the pharisee..
 

miknik5

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I realise what people see as "meat" is the painting of a road with signs on it.
And the signs appear to be acts from self or the flesh, legalism and condemnation, and then leading
by God. It means the content is weighed greatly by those who focus on this view, but to call it
meat in any life sense is to loose ones marbles.

And then there is the continual disdain, arrogance, proclamations, claiming of divine insight from God,
putting all the "unspiritual" in their place, while never actually addressing the core problem.

Sin has to be repented of, and righteousness walked in. Our goal is love, uplifting each other in prayer
and singing praises to God.

Now if this was actually achieved there would be no issues, but sadly the failure has to be explained
away somehow. It is like WOF claiming the waves and weather obey their command.
Not seen them calming hurricans, or telling storms to stop, or tornadoes to cease to be.

It is always easy to say we should know Gods healing in our lives, which we do in spiritual terms
to become christians, but actually in physical health terms, yet though people believe the Lord will
act like this, get serious illnesses and often die or only get better with medical help.

So though I hate to disappoint people who are truly trying to reach out to God, when they make
God into some feeble miracle worker who does not touch the heart, it is not really faith at all but
unbelief.
Great point..
To those who have been given much, don't you think much is required.
And those who knew their father's will and did not do it will receive more stripes than the one who did not know His father's will...(even though he was deserving of many stripes).

Correct?


I think it might be a good time to take a look at Luke 12
 

miknik5

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Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.
Mark 12:30

Now imagine saying I cannot do this from self, but from the spirit.
Now my soul, my heart, my mind, my strength, is all I am. So God is saying I am to love Him
with all I am, which very much includes self.

Now to say self is evil, wrong, works based salvation is ludicrous. God is calling us to be so
passionate about Him there is nothing else in our lives as important or passionate.

Amen, Praise the Lord. He is the King.

Now this is the good fight, the fight to demonstrate God is in everything, and through everything
and uses everything. We are His children when we walk in righteousness walk as His representatives,
a Holy God meeting men, day to day.

What staggars me is these people would try and say to be passionate for the Lord is self works, and
evil, hypocracy, and attempt not only to discourage me, but call me anti-Christ.

What a bunch of lost people, because whatever they are following the passion Christ expresses has
100% passed them by. Their hearts do not rejoice with good things, and weep with sinful acts, but
gets involved is some confused complex insight into the flesh and the spirit, which takes up all their
time. So if you can avoid them, because they just tangle people in knots and condemn anyone not
of their brand as legalists do so... after almost a year + talking with them, they have no desire to
change or even listen, just continue their continual condemnation and propoganda.
Who are these people you are referring to?
And please point out where they said this?

Rather, isn't it that those who understand the GRACE and GIFT of GOD who have kept their mouths shut completely, until their "older better brothers" had decided to exalt works as if those who aren't speaking of their works are somehow sitting on the sidelines...

Are we somehow judged "worthy" by the amount of works that we do..

When really our work is to be at peace with all men as much as it is in our ability to do so and to do what should have been naturally expected of all men and before all men that we should do...
 
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And by the way Disciple Mike. what is the sin being judged by those here who are the older stronger fed and filled and fat sheep (brothers)?

You are to "judge" (not to condemnation) WHEN YOU SEE YOUR BROTHER's SIN

Not to accuse your brother of sin
It is an interesting aim, yet many of the members of one particular group wish to condemn
other, tell them they are lying while lying themselves, slander, accuse them of being anti-christ,
that part of the mission of the church is to root out people they regard as wrong.

What I have noticed is how self deceived they are and possessed with insight beyond their position.

They will tell someone they need to repent, but they do not really know what of, because in theology
they are 99% the same, or at least in the words, but obviously not the meaning.

Now I am learning how to praise the Lord, lift Jesus higher, and still acknowledge in their eyes I am
their enemy. But for them things are spiritual and not real with sin and righteousness, but demons
and deception in self acts, and the Spirit acts, and you have to be so wise to tell the difference, with
special teachers and the right lenses. In their world you can be sinning by sitting still and doing nothing.
Not surprisingly they live their lives in condemnation and like to spread it around while denying that
is what they are doing. I am convinced they are so lost there is no hope for them.
 

miknik5

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Jun 2, 2016
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It is an interesting aim, yet many of the members of one particular group wish to condemn
other, tell them they are lying while lying themselves, slander, accuse them of being anti-christ,
that part of the mission of the church is to root out people they regard as wrong.

What I have noticed is how self deceived they are and possessed with insight beyond their position.

They will tell someone they need to repent, but they do not really know what of, because in theology
they are 99% the same, or at least in the words, but obviously not the meaning.

Now I am learning how to praise the Lord, lift Jesus higher, and still acknowledge in their eyes I am
their enemy. But for them things are spiritual and not real with sin and righteousness, but demons
and deception in self acts, and the Spirit acts, and you have to be so wise to tell the difference, with
special teachers and the right lenses. In their world you can be sinning by sitting still and doing nothing.
Not surprisingly they live their lives in condemnation and like to spread it around while denying that
is what they are doing. I am convinced they are so lost there is no hope for them.

Why don't you do what JESUS said to do...follow HIM...and stop looking at your brother.

"what is it to YOU that HE should let him (or her) tarry until HE comes? YOU, YOU, YOU follow HIM...


Okay?

One of the reason Martha's service was at the risk of suffering, was because she was too busy looking at her sister...
and in her "worries" about what she shouldn't have worried about, her own service was divided...