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wwjd_kilden
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It is highly relevant, because you keep claiming Jesus is not God, while any Christian should know for a fact that Jesus IS God
Did Jesus consider himself God?
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Come on thomas, your contradicting yourself "big time" just like quasar. If according to you God the Father is the only God and you say Jesus Christ is your Lord God then tell me if Jesus Christ is a true God or a false God? There are "NOT" two gods in Christianity. Please reconcile the dilema you put yourself in?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Come on thomas, your contradicting yourself "big time" just like quasar. If according to you God the Father is the only God and you say Jesus Christ is your Lord God then tell me if Jesus Christ is a true God or a false God? There are "NOT" two gods in Christianity. Please reconcile the dilema you put yourself in?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
My dilemma I believe is resolved. How do you know what you know? Pride prevents you from even considering that over time, man has contaminated our beliefs and understanding through interpretation. Whether intended or not, look for yourself and do the research. I am more than willing to offer a direction on where to look or ideas for gathering info. I am still reviewing it all as well. If you don't believe, it's not up to me to convince you. JAH - Home Page or Pauline Paradox Videos.
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wwjd_kilden
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Wow thomas, your more "far gone" than I first beleived? Is this what you want us to believe from the site you referenced?
"T[SIZE=+1]he Authorised Version Old Testament - New Testament - TRUE Koran - in ONE Book; all in the same language with Thees and Thous, called "The King of kings' Bible."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Only the new "King of kings' Bible", which includes the ORIGINAL Koran, can get our brothers the moslems to know that they have to read the Bible and bring the world together, in peace, with everyone keeping The Covenant, which is God's Will (Islam in Arabic) as He says in the Bible and in the Koran and all worshipping towards His only Holy Temple, in Jerusalem, at Abraham's Station on Mt. Moriah.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]2 Chronicles 3:1 Then Solomon began to build The (Kaba) House of the "I AM" (God/Allah) at Jerusalem in mount Moriah, where [the "I AM"] appeared unto David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."
You want us to get in bed with "allah" and all worship at the temple that Solomon built? For your information allah is not god even with a little "g." He does not exist except in the minds of the decieved which apparently you are a part of. The way it stands right now your in big fat trouble on the road that leads "South" if you know what I mean. Run don't walk from this mess your involved in thomas.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto[/SIZE]
Wow thomas, your more "far gone" than I first beleived? Is this what you want us to believe from the site you referenced?
"T[SIZE=+1]he Authorised Version Old Testament - New Testament - TRUE Koran - in ONE Book; all in the same language with Thees and Thous, called "The King of kings' Bible."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Only the new "King of kings' Bible", which includes the ORIGINAL Koran, can get our brothers the moslems to know that they have to read the Bible and bring the world together, in peace, with everyone keeping The Covenant, which is God's Will (Islam in Arabic) as He says in the Bible and in the Koran and all worshipping towards His only Holy Temple, in Jerusalem, at Abraham's Station on Mt. Moriah.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]2 Chronicles 3:1 Then Solomon began to build The (Kaba) House of the "I AM" (God/Allah) at Jerusalem in mount Moriah, where [the "I AM"] appeared unto David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."
You want us to get in bed with "allah" and all worship at the temple that Solomon built? For your information allah is not god even with a little "g." He does not exist except in the minds of the decieved which apparently you are a part of. The way it stands right now your in big fat trouble on the road that leads "South" if you know what I mean. Run don't walk from this mess your involved in thomas.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto[/SIZE]
Don't misunderstand. I don't want you to do anything other than do what your heart tells you. But don't dismiss it because you fear what you'll find. It's liberating for me personally. If you have such faith in man's interpretation of scripture, follow man. That is your choice. If you put your faith in the Spirit and let your Spirit guide you, you will come to the right decision for you. All I ask is that you explore the document to see what it's saying. I've matched line after line to online bibles as well as the bible I have here at my house. Pick any area of your bible and go cross check it. Make an informed decision. You are a reasonable man with reasonable ability to use logic and thought just like everyone else. It's a personal decision on your part. According to God's perfect Word in Eph 3:10 it's the "manifold Wisdom of God".
I am more than willing to help. Give me a line out of the scripture related to anything of your choosing. I'll go get the line from the website and we'll compare it together.
No. Jesus was the flesh of man that the voice of God used to testify to every word formed in his mind until Jesus learned who he was in the spirit. He learned the flesh perishes during this first age but the spirit ( Word of God ) goes on forever.
John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
The spirit of God is also known as the word of the Lord, voice of the Lord, breath of life, tree of life, light of men, Son of God, Christ, Messiah, etc.
Deuteronomy 28:
1: And if you obey the voice of the LORD your God, being careful to do all his commandments which I command you this day, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
2: And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the LORD your God.
Jesus obeyed the voice of God and spoke every word formed in his mind.
John 7
13: Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him.
14: About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
15: The Jews marveled at it, saying, "How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?"
16: So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me;
17: if any man's will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
18: He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.
John 12
44: And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me.
45: And he who sees me sees him who sent me.
46: I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
47: If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
48: He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.
49: For I have not spoken on my own authority; the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment what to say and what to speak.
50: And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has bidden me."
John 14
23: Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24: He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.
First of all thomas I'm already liberated so my question to you is what can your offer me that's better than Jesus Christ? What does "allah" offer, 72 raisins or virgins if you will? I can't even handle my one wife of 48 years? And I did explore the document but on what basis are you saying I am following man? According to the site you posted who are they following?
Plus, why did you quote me Ephesians 3:10 which you yourself just said scripture is man's interpretation? Now, I will take you up on your challenge by giving you a verse out of the scriptures that your able to compare. Malachi 3:1, "Behold I am going to send my angel/messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold He is coming, says the Lord of hosts." Ok thomas, tell me what it means?
PS: Believe me, I don't have anything to fear? 
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
First of all thomas I'm already liberated so my question to you is what can your offer me that's better than Jesus Christ? What does "allah" offer, 72 raisins or virgins if you will? I can't even handle my one wife of 48 years? And I did explore the document but on what basis are you saying I am following man? According to the site you posted who are they following?
Plus, why did you quote me Ephesians 3:10 which you yourself just said scripture is man's interpretation? Now, I will take you up on your challenge by giving you a verse out of the scriptures that your able to compare. Malachi 3:1, "Behold I am going to send my angel/messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the angel/messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold He is coming, says the Lord of hosts." Ok thomas, tell me what it means?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
It's not my job to convince you. Your tone is enough to tell me who has your heart. God Bless you and yours in the name of Jesus Christ.
Now that's a "copout" thomas! Like I said, what can you offer me that's better than Jesus Christ? I also realize that you do not know Jesus Christ so you would not understand what I mean? And btw, I followed your challenge and gave you verse, what happened?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now that's a "copout" thomas! Like I said, what can you offer me that's better than Jesus Christ? I also realize that you do not know Jesus Christ so you would not understand what I mean? And btw, I followed your challenge and gave you verse, what happened?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
When Jesus Christ the Lord says he does not know me is when I will believe it but you are more than welcome to have your opinion regarding my salvation. Your charges at me are like blaming the mailman for bringing the mail. Nothing has unfolded today that was not in accordance to God's Will exactly as He intended. As far as the rest of it goes in regards to the verse you gave me, I may have gotten side tracked. If I am not mistaken, another member dropped like 20 verses on me about the same time I was looking at yours but I will happily go back and look at yours in the interest of learning but learning does not seem to be your purpose. If you are not willing to discuss things using reason and logic and do your part to bring informed statements that will challenge my thinking in the interest of improving understanding on both sides, what would you expect me to do?
Muhammad is a false prophet. All new prophecy has ceased with the closing of scripture, the book of Revelation. Anyone who adds to it will suffer the plagues written in the word of God.
Jah is a false prophet as well as Nostradamus. Nostradamus has nothing to do with the gospel of Christ. Calculated guessing is not prophecy of God.
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RobbyEarl
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Prophesy has not ceased
Acts 2 :16
[FONT="]16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.[/FONT]
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Acts 2 :16
[FONT="]16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.[/FONT]
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The teaching is not accredited to the flesh of Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God. For that one time demonstration Christ's flesh was necessary to be typified as sinful.(it aged leading towards death to show it was corrupted)
The teaching is not accredited to the corrupted flesh of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God. God is not a man as us and neither is there any daysman, as an infallible umpire between God and man.
It is all one and the same. Whatever you attribute to the Father you attribute to the Son of God, and vice versa. Nothing gets attributed to the temporal flesh of the Son of man. .God is Spirit and not a man as us..
That can be seen in Mathew 23 where they use the term "Rabbi" to represent the "Master". In that we we serve God, as Master. the flesh of Christ profited for nothing, zero, nada.
We cannot separate the term Father from the Son. But can separate the Son of man pertaining to the corrupted flesh of Christ, from the Spirit of Christ.
God who is eternal Spirit cannot die.
The word of God puts no difference between the two. As Christ said : the Father and I are of one Spirit working together as if there was two. Jesus simply resisted worship in respect to his outward flesh .But did except it in respect to His unseen Spirit.
8But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for one “is your teacher”, the Christ, and all of you are brothers. Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for one “is your master”, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.Mathew 23 :8-12
The Lord Jesus Christ in the temporal flesh resisted being call Master (good teacher) God does not want us to come to him as if God had flesh as a beginning .
Strongs lexicon......4461 rhabbi {hrab-bee'} of Hebrew origin 07227 with pronominal suffix; TDNT - 6:961,982; n m
AV - Master (Christ) 9, Rabbi (Christ) 5, rabbi 3; 17
1) my great one, my honourable sir 2) Rabbi, a title used by the Jews to address their teachers (and also honour them when not addressing them)
The outward Jews (no faith) who were not born again from above used the word Rabbi/master to take away the authority of the scriptures usurping the authority of all that is written in the law and the prophets ,which we call sola scriptura
This is so that men would put their faith in the fathers.(flesh) Scripture alone was the Jewish father’s nemesis which it does remain today as a thorn in their side, the stumbling stone..
Christ later in that same context (Mathew 23) informed them that measure their faith in respect of sinful men... called them a brood of vipers, to indicate false doctrines (poison of the vipers) coming through the oral tractions of men.
Mathew 23 is a good reference.
Christ our Rabbi/Lord and Master, the anointing Holy Spirit of God, is our teacher. We don’t serve two Masters, a Son and a Father separately. If we serve the Son we are serving the father and never one without the other.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all “taught of God”. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
The outward form of man, as the “Son of man”denotes things seen.. The term “Son of God” is not used in conjunction with form. We walk by faith not by sight.
Yes his corrupted body must have aged in a process that leads to death. Flesh typified as sinful was needed to indicate how God through an outward demonstration poured out His Spirit on flesh, not from flesh, giving the person a new incorruptible spirit and new heart..Not new flesh. The new incorruptible body, no one has received.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
To prophecy is simply to declare the word of God the gospel of our salvation. . It can be in respect to part or now that he no longer adding, in respect to the whole
Yes those days when Christ was bringing new revelations before prophecy ceased. If we try the spirits to see if they are of God any person who claims to be receiving new prophecy. They have violated the warning as a safe guard from false prophets. If any man say Lo is Christ, thus sayeth the Lord we are to believe not (no faith).The elect will not be deceived in that way. If we try the spirits to see if they are after men or God its how we know Muhammad or any person is a false prophet .
What we had in part up until the last chapter (Revelation) we now have the whole will of God without any law missing by which we could know Him more adequately.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him "the plagues that are written in this book": And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.Rev 22:18
2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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RobbyEarl
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If that was true, then I and the rest of the believers who have gotten to know God without using a Bible wouldn't know Him. I have met thousands of believers who have never opened up a Bible.
Yes he did. He knew the flesh would perish and that his spirit would go on forever. He also knew that all his created beings were of spirit and the flesh was only a temporary dwelling until it dies during this first age.
John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
John 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: He was in the beginning with God;
3: all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
4: In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
The spirit is the light of men that will go on forever. Created man will get new flesh in Paradise and the spirit will give them all sorts of life experiences that God has planned for them.
Wow thomas, your more "far gone" than I first beleived? Is this what you want us to believe from the site you referenced?
"T[SIZE=+1]he Authorised Version Old Testament - New Testament - TRUE Koran - in ONE Book; all in the same language with Thees and Thous, called "The King of kings' Bible."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Only the new "King of kings' Bible", which includes the ORIGINAL Koran, can get our brothers the moslems to know that they have to read the Bible and bring the world together, in peace, with everyone keeping The Covenant, which is God's Will (Islam in Arabic) as He says in the Bible and in the Koran and all worshipping towards His only Holy Temple, in Jerusalem, at Abraham's Station on Mt. Moriah.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]2 Chronicles 3:1 Then Solomon began to build The (Kaba) House of the "I AM" (God/Allah) at Jerusalem in mount Moriah, where [the "I AM"] appeared unto David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."
You want us to get in bed with "allah" and all worship at the temple that Solomon built? For your information allah is not god even with a little "g." He does not exist except in the minds of the decieved which apparently you are a part of. The way it stands right now your in big fat trouble on the road that leads "South" if you know what I mean. Run don't walk from this mess your involved in thomas.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto[/SIZE]
I don't want you to believe it but if you study all aspects of what this site tells you includes the identification of JAH as Elijah, I began to see a picture that could infact be a connection that was intended to get made but it never did. There's so much info on this site about things that are written with confidence and evidence that I could not find flaws with especially related to scripture. Without your knowledge of where I was coming from, your answers were not really prove positive that this guys insights are wrong. On top of that I was starting to see things and experience things that were just bizarre in nature. Like today for example. After I released that site name, all of the news sites on my phone started having feeds like "US Homeowners eligible for big tax credits" as well as other stories that seemed to give the impression that now that the info was out there suddenly the evil was being brought out of hiding. On top of that my entire apartment complex was surrounded by huge thick clouds but over my apartment the sun was shining for hours it seemed like. As far as I could see no open holes, buut with all those clouds not a single apt even in the distance was covered - everything was brightly lit with sunshine. I was not the only one who saw it. My neighbors witnessed it as well. To me these were signs of something right with the world had happened for a change.
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