How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

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posthuman

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the sun does not look like this:

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it's an orb shining light in every direction.

all those cartoons of a spotlight swinging around a frisbee in a circle, shining a little circle of light on it are garbage.
complete garbage. it's that simple.

and this is why i maintain that the people who seriously believe this are nuts -- not in contact with reality at all, willfully trading the truth for lies. they do not understand how optics works and when it is carefully explained to them, they ignore it, because they love the lies more than the truth. nuts.

nuts.

and if hearing the truth makes you whine and quit the forum and run away, that's totally on you, not me. i'm telling you the truth.
 

Desertsrose

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I know of someone who was fooled into believing the earth was flat. The draw was that he distrusts the government and therefore is open to conspiracy theories.

My Dad was on the 1st nuclear submarine, the Nautilus. This sub went through the North Pole when I was 4 years old. PBS has a documentary - Rickover:The Birth of Nuclear Power. There's even a picture of my dad on the sub.

Also, think about it, there are cruises that take you to both poles. Go see for yourself!

There is a huge conspiracy happening throuout the world - but it's Satan and his demons who instituted it back in the garden of Eden.

Flesh and blood is not the enemy, Satan, the Father of lies, lies to His own children; they're deceived like we were. Let's preach the good news to save some who like we, were bound as a slave, but freed through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior through the cross!

Blessings
 
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GaryA

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This clip actually demonstrates very effectively that the sun is moving [ back ] away from the camera ( into the frame ) rather than downwards... :cool:

Thanks, posthuman! :D

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AllenW

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After we have this discussion, which I am just *certain* will be mature, polite, and oozing with factual information not sourced from YouTube videos...let's start another thread where we can try and debunk the moon landings. What say? Sound like fun?
Why are you so negative about this topic?
Does it touch a sore spot somewhere inside you?
Maybe we should be discussing that instead.
 

AllenW

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The same math and science, gravitational and electron theory that make it possible for you to read this post via your computer, describe the nature of a spherical earth.

If you are using a computer to read and make posts, then you are using the same physics that predict the commonly understood nature of physical reality.

Your argument for superior righteousness, wisdom and understanding of the Bible and the God of Creation can only come if you are making and reading these posts through prayer alone. If you are using a computer, you are admitting that the math and physics that makes up the computer also explains the world as it is know around the world and has been known for at least two thousand years.

Either stop using your computer, because it is based on the demonic deception of "science", or admit the earth is a rough sphere.



Those who dispute the nature of reality and credit it to someone enforcing their imagination (deception) over the whole world (I.E. a conspiracy to promote a spherical earth),
are themselves the ones who are trying to enforce their deception over reality.

They are not willing to submit to God's truth in their lives. They are self-deceived and promoting the deception of the father of lies. They are not honoring the God of truth and the truth of God with their self deception.

Unfortunately over 90% of them, I speculate, cannot work through their delusion and therefore nothing I, or anyone else, says will help the break out of their delusion. Only God can help that 90%+.


I am hopeful that there is at least a few percent who are ready to move out of their delusion and perhaps will consider what has been written in the above posts. The 90% would not have read this far in this post.

For those of you who are intentionally promoting this FENS even though you know better, would you please PM me and explain why. I'll not violate your confidence, and you can always just open up a new user name.

Thank you.
Who are you?
Your post does not use a single Bible passage to support your stance.
You can't tell me what to believe and you haven't convinced me what to believe.
And you certainly cannot tell me to stop using my computer because it doesn't agree with your reasoning.
So tell me, tell us all, who are you?
 

EarnestQ

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Who told you hundreds of miles? Where did you get that information from. If it's nasa , then please explain how astronauts past through the" deadly radiation, call Allen belts in between the earth and moon" but but we're able to freaken walk on the moon. Hey ,hey.. hey, by the way, why.. is there no stars from moon? Talk about bullshit

You are bringing an entirely different conspiracy theory into the mix. Whether or not man went to the moon has no bearing on whether or not the world is flat.

INDEED, it is more likely that "the conspirators" try to associate the FENS* with the, hypothetically, faked moon landings. On the average, people will consider them equal and since it is true that the earth is a sphere then the moon landings must also be true.

This is a common practice of deceivers. (I think this technique is called "neurolingustic programming". When you link two ideas and disprove one, it is assumed that the other is also disproved.)


I also gather from your language that you are not a lover of Christ. Why is that, if you don't mind me asking?



* FENS: Flat-earth non-sense.
 

EarnestQ

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Who are you?
Your post does not use a single Bible passage to support your stance.
You can't tell me what to believe and you haven't convinced me what to believe.
And you certainly cannot tell me to stop using my computer because it doesn't agree with your reasoning.
So tell me, tell us all, who are you?

A common method of deception is to criticize the maker of a truth statement, instead of dealing with the truth itself.
Instead of explaining how you made your post without using the physics and mathematics that make computers possible and prove the nature of reality, you just challenge me to justify my asking the questions you can't answer.

MY PROOF IS THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MADE A POST ON THIS FORUM USING YOUR COMPUTER. YOU DID NOT USE YOUR BIBLE.

THEREFORE THE MATHEMATICS OF SCIENCE WORKS EVEN THOUGH THE BIBLE TEACHES NOTHING "SPECIFIC" ABOUT MATH, SCIENCE, PHYSICS, ELECTRONICS, COMPUTERS, OR INTERNET CONNECTIVITY.

IT IS THESE SAME TOOLS THAT PROVE THE EARTH IS SPHERICAL, NO MATTER HOW STRONGLY YOU ARGUE AND/OR BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY.


Are you really so delusional as to consider yourself so spiritually superior to everyone who disagrees with you?

Or
are you so lonely that this is the only human interaction you feel worthy of?


If the later, please PM me. I am really not as judgmental as I am sounding in this post.

(I confess - you got me. :D Let's be friends now. PM me.)


If you are getting paid to do this, are you one of Obama's "Cyber-Warriors"? Does your job really pay all that well? PM me, please.


 
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AuntieAnt

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Honestly? I believe atheists (or some other anti-Christian group) generate and perpetuate the flat earth rhetoric just to mock Almighty God, to make a mess of the body of Christ and to prevent Christians from living a full life by conditioning them to be absolutely preoccupied day after day with a bizarre conspiracy theory, and a temporal one at that!

I believe the REAL conspiracy is that Flat Earthers are being deceived and led astray from true ministry to others.

After all, can you imagine Jesus wasting his three years of ministry on earth by ranting on & on about the physical earth? Everything Jesus teaches us is spiritual and eternal, not physical and temporal. How sad that people are so duped by this nonsense.
 

AllenW

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A common method of deception is to criticize the maker of a truth statement, instead of dealing with the truth itself.
Instead of explaining how you made your post without using the physics and mathematics that make computers possible and prove the nature of reality, you just challenge me to justify my asking the questions you can't answer.

MY PROOF IS THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MADE A POST ON THIS FORUM USING YOUR COMPUTER. YOU DID NOT USE YOUR BIBLE.

THEREFORE THE MATHEMATICS OF SCIENCE WORKS EVEN THOUGH THE BIBLE TEACHES NOTHING "SPECIFIC" ABOUT MATH, SCIENCE, PHYSICS, ELECTRONICS, COMPUTERS, OR INTERNET CONNECTIVITY.

IT IS THESE SAME TOOLS THAT PROVE THE EARTH IS SPHERICAL, NO MATTER HOW STRONGLY YOU ARGUE AND/OR BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY.


Are you really so delusional as to consider yourself so spiritually superior to everyone who disagrees with you?

Or
are you so lonely that this is the only human interaction you feel worthy of?


If the later, please PM me. I am really not as judgmental as I am sounding in this post.

(I confess - you got me. :D Let's be friends now. PM me.)


If you are getting paid to do this, are you one of Obama's "Cyber-Warriors"? Does your job really pay all that well? PM me, please.


Fear is a terrible thing.
Why are you so afraid to tell us who you are?
Let us help you.
 

EarnestQ

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I am not afraid of the truth. Why are you?
 
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GaryA

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Earlier this year I was open to the remote possibility that there might be some evidence for a flat earth myself.
Sounds like you started in the right direction. What happened? Are you not interested enough in knowing the real truth about the world you live in? Did you somehow manage to prove to yourself that the world was a spinning globe - without the help of NASA et al.; but rather, with your own eyes and mind - with real science that you yourself can perform, instead of just taking the word of NASA et al. for it?

If God truly actually made the Earth to be flat and stationary - and, not a spinning ball hurtling through a massive expanse of empty space --- wouldn't you want to know it? Wouldn't you want to know the truth?

If so -- then, why not give yourself ample opportunity to discover it? :D


But after pondering it and posting on it for the last six months I doubt I can be convinced of a flat earth at all.
Bummer. I bet when God shows it to you, you will believe... ;)

( You will also "feel kinda funny" for having lambasted people who were trying to help you see the truth about the world you live in - as well as the true nature of Satan. )

You see -- this is the same kind of thing as being a witness for Christ. Someone says "believe on the name of the only begotten Son of God" --- and all the hate comes out - incited by Satan. Why? Because, Satan does not like for the truth to be stated / told. Well, if I say "Satan has beguiled the whole world" --- what is the problem? Do you not understand well enough the character of Satan? ( Or, "lack of it" - if you want to look at it that way... ) Are you incapable of believing for even a moment that the "Master Deceiver" just might be able to pull off such a large-scale deception? Do you believe and trust in what God says? You may say "I only believe and trust in God!"; well, does that mean that you do not believe or trust in NASA et al. without actually proving to yourself [ first ] that what they say is true? Do you really actually believe that the Bible encourages / instructs us to "be like the Berean" ( Acts 17:11 ) to "prove" the scriptures [ to / for ourselves ] -- yet not do similarly with other things?????

Should we just take Satan's word for it?

Do you not realize just how much of the world "lives and breaths" Lucifer / Satan right now?

Are you so willing to [ blindly ] believe and trust in an organization that - with so much opportunity - has not managed to produce even a single authentic unadulterated [ actual ] photograph of the Earth? ( high enough to provide actual proof of its claims ) --- that - has not ever produced video footage [ in space ] where a person did a 180-degree pan / sweep with the camera? ( unadulterated - uncut - unedited )

Why is it that we so easily went to the moon fifty years ago -- but now, NASA says we cannot escape lower-earth-orbit without risking damage from van-allen belt radiation?

Don't you understand? We have never actually gone high enough above the surface of the Earth to even take a picture which would actually be able to contain an entire 'globe' in the image. ( i.e. - the half you would be able to see ) Everything we have is not that high above ground. All the pictures you have seen "from space" with the "Earth curvature" in the background are not that high up and do not cover that much ground-level surface area in them. And, the "curvature" [ usually ] comes from the fact that a fisheye lens was used in making the picture.


Forget science for a moment. You don't need scientific knowledge. You only need good common sense.

The stuff NASA "puts out" just simply does not "add up"...

Don't be afraid to examine closely anything NASA publishes to see if it actually appears correct according to what should be expected based on good common sense.

The 'mantra' of modern science today is:

"You should not dare to think for yourself, only accept what we teach you."


I affirm your keeping a "skeptical open mind". I apologize for not bothering to get a better understanding of your position.
It is good that you give Posted "breathing room" -- but -- do you see what you are doing? :eek:

What would you say to a person who has decided that the daily walk of a "so-so Christian" is okay but that of a Christian with a firm devout faith is not acceptable?

Why does someone who is a 'more devout skeptic' deserve "different treatment" than someone who is only a 'light skeptic'?????

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If I choose to be a "skeptic" of the modern Satan-run worldly system -- why should that be a problem for you?

( Do you see the game that Satan is playing? -- getting you "all riled up" -- so that you will defend his lies? )


It makes no sense whatsoever for a Christian to lambaste anyone for being a "skeptic" of the modern Satan-run worldly system.

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Anyone who does that does not understand Satan well enough...


Regarding the insanity claim: I define "insanity" as living by a false view of reality and refusing to change.
You should surely realize that - from my perspective - that is exactly what people - who accept the "spinning ball" tale that NASA tells - are doing -- believing a false view of reality - and refusing to even consider that they could possibly have been lied to all their life and taught things that were not true.


Honestly? I believe atheists (or some other anti-Christian group) generate and perpetuate the flat earth rhetoric just to mock Almighty God, ...
What will you say to God when He shows you His very-intentional-and-deliberate Personally-designed flat Earth that He made with purpose.

Does Almighty God mock Himself?


Does it not mock God even more to say that the Earth is a spinning ball ( and all the NASA spoon-fed CRAP that goes with it ) - if it is flat and stationary - like the Bible indicates that it is?


All:

If you do nothing else after reading this post -- please look up - and make sure you completely and fully understand - the definition of 'cognitive dissonance'...


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GaryA

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Are you so absolutely sure that what you have been taught to believe cannot possibly be in error?
 

posthuman

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I am not afraid of the truth.

That is why I am saying the things that I am saying...

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no.

given that you can't distinguish between these two things, it is clear that you say the things you do for one of two reasons -- you are a troll, or being deceived, you have a mental deficiency.


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but God shows you this every morning, and every evening -- still you reject the truth.
 
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Would we not fall off the edge if it was flat lol
 

posthuman

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no.

given that you can't distinguish between these two things, it is clear that you say the things you do for one of two reasons -- you are a troll, or being deceived, you have a mental deficiency.


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but God shows you this every morning, and every evening -- still you reject the truth.
Maybe it's not even a deficiency - maybe it's a different kind of mental issue. Maybe you do understand what I keep showing you, but because you have so much invested in this idiocy, that your pride won't allow you to concede to it. Maybe you feel like this flat earth nonsense is so much a part of your identity that even though a part of your mind understands that it's clearly false, you can't let go of it. Maybe you just feel like you're in too deep at this point and it's too embarrassing to let it go, too humbling to admit you are so zealously wrong?

But dude, isn't our whole life in Christ about such confessions?
 
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Nibblets

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may be people who say they believe in a flat earth are really people trying to keep people from learning bout real conspirasies
 
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i talked with a lady who thought she could move the stars with her eyes she would stare at them til they started to move i told her that it were her eyes that was moving not the star she could not believe me the flat earth people is like her you cant explain nothin to em.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.. like the hide giants Skeltons from us too
 
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GaryA

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Maybe it's not even a deficiency - maybe it's a different kind of mental issue. Maybe you do understand what I keep showing you, but because you have so much invested in this idiocy, that your pride won't allow you to concede to it. Maybe you feel like this flat earth nonsense is so much a part of your identity that even though a part of your mind understands that it's clearly false, you can't let go of it. Maybe you just feel like you're in too deep at this point and it's too embarrassing to let it go, too humbling to admit you are so zealously wrong?

But dude, isn't our whole life in Christ about such confessions?
It is the scientists ( in general ) who have a more difficult time "swallowing their pride", having invested a great deal of their life into the "spinning ball" idea. It is too embarrassing for them to deal with the possibility that they [ even ] could have been fooled for so long without them realizing it.

It is the flat earth folks ( in general ) who have come to grips with the fact that - not only can they be fooled - they have been fooled - all of their life. They are humble. They readily admit to having been fooled. And, there is no embarrassment. They - unlike many in the 'scientist' crowd - are able to accept the reality for what it is.

A lot of the 'crap' that you put forth - trying to make flat earthers appear to be disingenuous and mentally impaired - is only a reflection of yourself -- your fears, your pride, your embarrassment --- your 'insincerity' and 'insanity'...

I do not have a problem admitting that I could possibly be wrong.

"How 'bout you...?"

Standing for what you believe in is one thing --- the kind of derogatory statements you make are totally unnecessary...

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