Does anyone have any experences in heaven?

wolfwint · Nov 3, 2016

You mean like a kind of astral journey as it known in the New Age Movement? Of course God can everything reveal to us. But what he revealed to us is written down in the scripture. And I believe he gave us this much on information which we need. We as fallen human beeings are never satisfied with that what our heavenly father is given to us. A good example is the volk of israel. For us today it is not enough to trust in the Lord ore to trust the word of God, as Hword. We want to "see" to "experience" to "feel" what we should simply believe.
When I hear about such experiences as you had, (you only know it) i doubting that God is the source for this. To often the Angel of the light trys to deceive people with views which are not true. Even when they sounds good. I believe in our Lord Jesus Christ and I believe that he can speak to us today also in a special way. But I dont believe that he is takeing people into heaven (ore hell/ hades) neither physically nor spirituell. I have no reason for to believe this.

wolfwint · Nov 3, 2016

jaybird88 said:

Jaybird88, yes now I renember you mentioned it in one of your mails. I agree with you, that we dont know much about the invisible world around us. But I am shure if our heavenly father wantet that we should know it, he had it revealed to us. That he has not revealed to us, says me that we dont need to know it! Because it is better not to know as to know! One day when we with the Lord we will know, what we yet dont know. Everything to its own time, means when our father means it is the rigth time to know it.

Lifted_by_the_word · Nov 3, 2016

I think people hold hands in heaven because everyone's different and it's like you share/feel each others personality.Just like the same way you can feel the love put into one of Gods creations.
Wonder if they hold hands in worship.
The things God can do are totally out of the limitations of my mind.Even when I would try and understand how some of the things done or shown were possible.God would break that mold.

oldethennew · Nov 3, 2016

jaybird88 said:

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we like your post Jaybird,

but we believe that God is All in all, another words, He is All matter in ALL of the universe and
in all things...and that He reveals Himself as He chooses, one way to one and another way to another,
never exactly the same for any one person, YET, all connected in/by His Holy Spirit...

jaybird88 · Nov 3, 2016

wolfwint said:

thats a safe path and IMO nothing wrong with it. but i think these things can be known if we seek them for the right reason.
remember when the disciples asked Jesus why He spoke in parables, because some information is only available for those that are willing to make the extra effort.
Jesus was always off away on a mountain, John the baptist was alone in the wil;derness eating grasshoppers and wearing animal skins for clothes, same with Elijah. why would these guys give up so much for such a rugged deprived life unless there was some benefit to this. i think there was a great benefit and it had nothing to do with this world.

Desdichado · Nov 3, 2016

The closest I've ever been is the Rockies.

Angela53510 · Nov 3, 2016

I've had dreams of heaven, when I was first saved. They left me with an incredible sense of peace.

About 9 years before I was saved, I was doing drugs and I had this horrible vision of being burned to death and ending up in hell. I came out of it screaming, terrified out of my mind. But, nothing ever came of it. I didn't even believe in God at that point, it didn't bring me any closer to knowing Christ.

My thought is that visions and dreams have a point. They are to bring us closer to God. Or, for Muslims, for example, Jesus appears to them in a dream, a missionary (local or international) comes by and tells them about Jesus, and they realize that who was in the dream. I understand many are getting saved this way in Muslim countries.

garee · Nov 4, 2016

In regard to experiencing things as a sign. It I believe provides the frame work for the father of lies who has no form .

Christ said it is an evil generation (the generation of natural man) that does seek after any sign .

Signs are for those who believe not.(no faith) Prophecy (sola scriptura) for those who can believe to the salvation of their new souls

Interestingly the Son of man, Jesus from the tribe of Judah after fulfilling the old testament ceremonial law, a requirement for entering the priesthood. John from the tribe of Levi had used H20 as that seen the temporal to signify the Holy Spirit, not seen, as a metaphor . After the Son of man was baptized by a person from the tribe of Levi, John, the officiator .He experienced a vision no one else did.

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Mat 3:16

No one but the Son of man in respect to His corrupted flesh typified as sinful experienced that vision.

By that new Spirit, the Son of man was led to begin his temporal ministry as a demonstration of the work of the Spirit of Christ who dwelt in the Son of man .And when the tempter the father of lies who has no form came. The Spirit of Christ led the Son of man as the scapegoat spoken of in Leviticus. Christ fulfilled the ceremonial law regarding the scapegoat metaphor .

Leviticus 16:10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go "for a scapegoat" into the wilderness.

Then was Jesus led up “of the spirit” into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Then having fulfilled, the forty day fast the Son of man became hungry .Mathew 4:1

This time he would be given a different kind experience which some call out of the body a vision .which is simply another spirit bringing information into the mind of the Son of man, made into pictures as that seen .

And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mat 4:2-11

This time the Son of man having been baptisied by the Holy Spirit represented by that seen H20 .He now defended the faith of Christ not seen, again and again, as it is written, establishing whose experience was of God and the other influenced by the voice of the father of lies. (Satan has no form)

The Son of man was led by the Holy Spirit of God showing us he was the chosen one from the foundation of the world called the lamb of God .

I think in that way we walk by faith and not by “what is seen”, our experiences, the after fact..

I think it is why God divorced Israel as the only nation to be used outwardly as a Kingdom of Priest, used to bring the gospel into the world . I would think as new creatures we are freely given a new spirit that will never die,
We can rejoice if we are doing His will, in so much he is working in us but are never to belive it is of us., We walk by that faith (Christ’s) that he freely gives the Christians.

So even though God is no longer bringing any new revelations as scripture, after any manner .It does not mean He is not actively bringing strong delusions to those who do have the faith of the father of lies, measured by outward men, the lying signs coming with all false authority needed from the god of this world.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Th 2:9

2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

.....after our own experiences walking by sight

notuptome · Nov 4, 2016

oldethennew said:

Hebrews 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Blain · Nov 4, 2016

wolfwint said:

No it's not astral journey that is satans counterpart to being with God in the spirit. As for this part here...We want to "see" to "experience" to "feel" what we should simply believe. I can understand where you are coming from but God communicates and speaks to and through others in different ways as we are all unique I am a soft emotional and sensitive person and God knowing this uses me in this way. He has used me many times to connect to others hearts I will be overcome by deep love or compassion or suddenly it's as if i know their hearts as if I can feel their sadness and pain I will even be in tears because of the pain I can feel in my heart I am one of bonds and connections.

And in the same way I will feel things from God and I will see things and describe them the best i can, and I know it's from God because I can see the effect it makes in peoples hearts. You are not obligated to believe me or believe it's from God and honestly I don't really care if you do or not( I apologize if I seem rude) I only know to speak my heart and allow God to use me as he will

valiant · Nov 4, 2016

I believe Abraham was taken into Heaven when he died, and Lazarus went there too The 'great gulf' was between Heaven and Hades. I have yet to see anyone prove differently.

eph610 · Nov 4, 2016

valiant said:

The Bible pretty much refutes this soundly....Abraham and Lazarus were under the Law not the Gospel, how could they have hae Jesus in them and then gone to heaven to be with Jesus when he was not sent yet?

p_rehbein · Nov 5, 2016

Desdichado said:

Yeah, you and the rest of the Master Herbalists here.......OR........in Colorado

pottersclay · Nov 5, 2016

[FONT=&quot]6 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one cried to another and said:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts;
The whole earth is full of His glory!”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]4 And the posts of the door were shaken by the voice of him who cried out, and the house was filled with smoke.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 So I said:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“Woe is me, for I am undone!
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips;
For my eyes have seen the King,
The Lord of hosts.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a live coal which he had taken with the tongs from the altar. 7 And he touched my mouth with it, and said:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“Behold, this has touched your lips;
Your iniquity is taken away,
And your sin purged.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“Whom shall I send,
And who will go for Us?”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 And He said, “Go, and tell this people:[/FONT]

mpaper345 · Nov 5, 2016

valiant said:

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

All saints in the New Testament that died,their soul is with the Lord,which the Bible describes them under the altar,that say,how long will it be before you avenge us,and the Lord said that they will be avenged when all the saints are gathered unto Him.

But the Old Testament saints did not go to be present with the Lord,for their sins were not completely washed away,but when the blood of Jesus was shed,then the Old Testament saints souls went to be present with the Lord,so at this parable Abraham would of been with the Lord.

But of course it is not the New Jerusalem,for nobody has access to that place yet,except Jesus.

There is a gulf between heaven and hell,so that the people that are there cannot escape,and go wandering about,like when the devils are cast to earth,and Satan deceives the world as the man of sin,the earth becomes their holding cell,and they are not free to roam the air anymore.

In the New Jerusalem the former earth shall not be remembered,or come to mind,so the saints will not even know about those that are lost,which they do not have to worry about their loved ones that did not make it,and the former earth is associated with sin and rebellion,and the New Jerusalem is a place where sin has never been,and sin will never be.

Jesus said,I make all things new,so even though the saints will never know rebellion again,and their sins forgiven,God still wants it to be a place where the sin that the saints did will not be remembered,and the angels probably will also not know of the past.

That way the New Jerusalem will be a place,where it is always God's way,and the saints,and angels,will always feel as if they have always been there,and nowhere else,and that sin,and rebellion,never existed,but it has always been worship God,and love between them,and no other reality exists.

Demi777 · Nov 5, 2016

http://christianchat.com/blogs/demi777/10439-just-recent-vision.html oneof a view experiences..

Ahwatukee · Nov 5, 2016

Correction to post #15

The third sentence should read as follows:

"Today when a believer dies, their spirit/soul goes immediately to be in the presence of the Lord"

garee · Nov 5, 2016

valiant said:

They went to sleep a in a place called the grave as the bosom of Abraham the invisible presence of God .Sort of like a holding pen until the veil was rent signifying the trial of Christ was over the saints were brought into the holy eternal land typified by Jerusalem, witnessed by angels not seen) who did not leave their first place of habitation. .

The prophecy that looked ahead to the fulfillment in Mathew 27.

Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.Mat 27:50

It is the same resurrection we enter today by faith.To be absent from the body is to be present in the bosom of Abraham (the invisible presence of God. . The trial is over no need for a bull pen temporal presence.

The second and last resurrection will be on the last day typified by the parable using Lazarus. The all below is in respect to the second which is also judgment day..

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.Joh 5:28

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

jaybird88 · Nov 5, 2016

garee said:

[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
[SUP]39 [/SUP]He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Jesus was addressing the pharisees when He said that so dont you think the "evil generation" may be referring to them and those like them.
the pharisees wanted a sign at that moment, He said none would be given IMO referring to that moment and not from that day on. He clearly says the sign of Jonah would be given and later gave gifts to the 12, one reason is for signs.

Zmouth · Nov 5, 2016

eph610 said:

Would that be based upon Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4: 4 or 2 Cor 5:7 ?

eph610 said:

Maybe because they were resurrected when Jesus was baptized into death and rose from under the water?

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Rom 8:7

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 2 Tim 2:8

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