The King James Only Debate
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CLV Lk 23:32 Now two others also, malefactors, were led to be despatched together with Him.
CLV Lk 23:33 And when they came away to the place called "Skull," there they crucify Him, and the malefactors, one, indeed, at the right, yet the other at the left.
CLV Lk 23:34 Now Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they are not aware what they are doing." Now dividing His garments, they cast the lot.
The word "judging" is not used in this story. It's not used in Matthew or Mark either. Neither is the word "condemned."
But if they were on the cross, that would mean they have already been judged, past tense. Verb tense is a very important part of Ancinet Greek.
_____Strong's_____
G2917 krima kree'-mah
from G2919;
a decision (the function or the effect, for or against ("crime")).
In the case of the two criminals on the crosses next to Jesus, their decision was already made.
I suggest that it is the KJV that is "messed up." And I am NOT messin with you.
CLV Lk 23:33 And when they came away to the place called "Skull," there they crucify Him, and the malefactors, one, indeed, at the right, yet the other at the left.
CLV Lk 23:34 Now Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they are not aware what they are doing." Now dividing His garments, they cast the lot.
The word "judging" is not used in this story. It's not used in Matthew or Mark either. Neither is the word "condemned."
But if they were on the cross, that would mean they have already been judged, past tense. Verb tense is a very important part of Ancinet Greek.
_____Strong's_____
G2917 krima kree'-mah
from G2919;
a decision (the function or the effect, for or against ("crime")).
In the case of the two criminals on the crosses next to Jesus, their decision was already made.
I suggest that it is the KJV that is "messed up." And I am NOT messin with you.
Can we just say that the King James Version is one of the most accurate versions? People are free to choose whatever bible they want to read, but I'd rather stick with the more accurate ones instead of watered down versions. I'm not a KJV Only person as I also read the NKJV, but it's still an excellent version.
No the KJV is the preserved infallible authorized word of God and if someone wishes to use another Bible then so be it but do not claim it is the "authorized version" unlike the KJV.
THey never do and never will. I have a number of questions from years ago that no one has given me a direct answer to It is called skirting the issue, just like a politician will when given an awkward question.
I don't see the KJV as very accurate. It's probably more accurate than a paraphrase version. But when you consider it's purpose, we can see that accuracy was never the first priority.
Preserved? Preserved from 1611. Not very long time when you consider Jesus was here 2000 years ago.
Authorized? Authorized only by the King of England. that does carry much weight here in the United States.
The KJV is "authorized" in title only. It has no authority. And it is NOT God's Word. It's more like the watered down version of God's Word.
The manuscripts were from the original and is the 2nd most sold version AFTER the NIV which is a mockery.
probably because the pagan king there thinks of the being Hezekiah worships as just another god... so it would be reporting, not correcting.
in the story, does the Assyrian king tell the truth about God?
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble. But that is not true at all.
What "original" manuscripts do you think were used to make the KJV?
Actually, 85% of the KJV matches Tyndale's Tavern Bible exactly. Hey, who was going to sue the king of England for plagiarism?
I believe God is speaking here to disobedient Israelites
ISAIAH 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
I'm not following your argument here. You're talking about Luke 23:32-34 which has nothing to do with judgement and condemnation and your previous argument was about Luke 23:40.... so what's your point about Luke 23:32-34?
I'm suprised you don't see the subtle changes in the NIV to make the Jesus of the KJV the New Age Jesus.
Tyndale was the first Bible translated into English into which he got burned for being "heretic" they all got the NT Greek from the original mansucripts of Antioch published by Erasmus and through a series of revisions by Martin Luther but the KJV itself says they used the last two editions of Theodore Beza and Stephanius. Also it has been many years after the Tyndale has died for it to be copyright plus he didn't complete all of it. If your not a Catholic why would you use all these other bibles strictly going against the people who have been persecuted to perserve the word of God. Your a Reformer not a papist heathen.
The Codex Sinaiticus is missing all 4 chapters of Genesis, missing all of Exodus, all but 3 chapters of Leviticus, all but 12 chapters of Numbers, all but 5 chapters of Deuteronomy, all but 3 chapter of Joshua, all but 7 chapter of Judges, missing all of Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, it jumps from 1 Chronicles 19:17 to the middle of the sentence of Ezra 9:9 without fixing & keeps going! Missing first 8 chapters of Ezra, missing Lamentations after 2:20, missing all of Ezekiel, all of Daniel, Hosea, all of Amos, and all of Micah. That is 11 entire books missing & most of 6 more. 1/4 of the Bible books! But ofc they maintain all of the Apocryphas. (If you think I'm lying you can go to the website below).
Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | Genesis |
Proverbs (30:5-6) - Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
All of these missing chapters and you want to believe and actually support the lies they teach you? The Bible clearly states do not add unto the word of God, well if they are missing all these verses what is actually considered scriptural? Wouldn't they have to idk ADD unto the missing passages eventually having to make an error and be found a LIAR? Is pretty simple, start reading a real Bible aka KJV and respect the preservation it has maintained.
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