If you could be a little more serious I'd be thrilled to discuss the topic of revelation in a calm and adult manner, and I'm posting from my phone so responses will likely be slow.
what has been fulfilled?
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Yeah I know. Probably go with the kingdom of God in our hearts symbolism. Preterism forces some real gymnastics on ones eschatology. Mix in a little oneness theology and you get real far afield.
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alright, if you believe that we are in the 1000 years, and the devil is bound. show me how in scripture you can prove that it is symbolic in context. show me your understanding of eschatology. please use scripture, strongs, NT cultural references, and any other references to prove your theory.
read these passages, along with the historical fulfillment, then tell me which of those (in Daniel 11 which most think is NOT fulfilled) is not fulfilled....lol.
you won't perhaps you're lazy, or whatever.
it's up to you.
oh...you think the passage about herod is fulfilled?
because dispensationalists use that passage to describe some future AC
good...so what about Daniel 12 - fulfilled? what about the rest of Daniel 11?
what about Daniel 9?
[h=1]Revelation 19:11-21King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
when did this happen...[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
when did this happen...[/FONT]
The "1000" depends on if that is an exact number or a symbol of completeness. The OT uses "thousand" often when it's obvious to the reader is not a literal 1000. Deut 7:9, 1 Chron 16:15, psalm 50:10 and so on. In deut 7:9 if 1000 generations was the literal number that would mean the last days are over 30,000 years away.
Good evening Elizabeth619 and all,
The correct way to read the book of Revelation is in the literal sense until a symbolic interpretation is obvious. Many make the mistake of applying symbolism to everything and that because of hearsay, which distorts the meaning. Regarding this, we also have to take into consideration what is proclaimed right in the beginning of the book:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. "
Suffice to say, the reader needs to understand what is written in order to know what must soon take place. And regarding the "what must soon take place," this would be everything from chapter 4 onward, namely, the events of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is the wrath of God.
Regarding the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, these are all literal events of wrath that will take place after the church has been gathered and removed from the earth. While it is true that symbols are used within their descriptions, the base meaning is literal. Examples of obvious symbolism would the dragon with seven heads and ten horns and the woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars.
A good rule of thumb is: If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.
exactly, how can you prove witch one it means. btw you are referencing the word or letter aleph in the OT, its not in the NT. it has been used to mean 1000 years.
The Letter Aleph
I do
where does it say he will sit on a throne in Jerusalem?
because those are eternity passages.
and Christ is on David's throne now:
""Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. "And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. "This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. "Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet." ' "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified." (Acts 2:29-36)
Premillennial Theology Refuted: Christ is on Throne of David NOW
Jesus cannot sit on David's throne on earth: Jer 22:29-30 + Mt 1:12 <<< Premillennial Theology Refuted: Christ is on Throne of David NOW
believing Israel got their king, and kingdom, and so did we.
Rev 1:6
5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, 6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father — to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.
oh really....which other prophecies have been fulfilled more than once. please be specific.
What about shorty, quickly and at hand? Are those literal or symbolic? If they're literal then 1000 years cannot be.