The King James Only Debate

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KJV1611

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dcontroversal said:
I have heard both preachers and deacons (ignorant that is) both say and argue that Paul and Jesus used the King Jimmy......shakes head in astonishment....!
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In a way they did use the KJV because the KJV is no different than the Old Testament writings. The KJV is just like the New Testament scriptures, it brings more clarity to the things already written about in the Old Testament.
 
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come to think of it, the 'only one version' idea goes against the 'two or three witnesses' principle that God uses over and over again throughout the Scriptures.
 
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trofimus said:
And the Old Testament he used was KJV? :) Or what translation/edition?
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The word of God does not change, the Old Testament word of God is the same word of God found in the KJV. There's only one one word of God.... the translation/edition was the inspired one.
 
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Dan_473 said:
come to think of it, the 'only one version' idea goes against the 'two or three witnesses' principle that God uses over and over again throughout the Scriptures.
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Not really, the Old Testament is one witness the New Testament is the second and the Spirit is the third. Remember the candletick, it is made of ONE beaten piece of gold.
 
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KJV1611 said:
In a way they did use the KJV because the KJV is no different than the Old Testament writings. The KJV is just like the New Testament scriptures, it brings more clarity to the things already written about in the Old Testament.
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The King James is a translation, transliteration made by false anglican teachers who were contrary to God and his word....they OPENLY ADMITTED that a) they COMPARED WHAT THEY WERE DOING to the FIRST ENGLISH VERSIONS ALREADY IN EXISTANCE, b) Copied almost verbatim the ENGLISH VERSION OF THE O.T. already in existence c) Transilterated words that would offend the HEAD OF THE ANGLICAN CHURCH (KING) and d) Contains MANY WORDS mistranslated, changed and or not even given a correct interpretation.......

Now, I use a King Jimmy....but make no mistake....I go to the Greek and Hebrew EVERY TIME I STUDY because ENGLISH FAILS TO CONVEY many verb tenses and nuances that the Hebrew and Greek convey.......

This is NOT TO SAY that the truth CANNOT BE GLEANED from the KJV......

A prime example if found in Galatians chapter 1 and the use of the word ANOTHER <-TRANSLATED ANOTHER TWICE....TWO DIFFERENT GREEK WORDS WITH TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS....YET TRANSLATED THE SAME.....<--GOD DID NOT INSPIRE THE ENGLISH...HE INSPIRED THE GREEK!
 
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KJV1611 said:
Not really, the Old Testament is one witness the New Testament is the second and the Spirit is the third. Remember the candletick, it is made of ONE beaten piece of gold.
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Wait, the witness of the Spirit? What's that?
 
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Dan_473 said:
Wait, the witness of the Spirit? What's that?
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Yes. There are 3 that bear witness. 1 John 5:8. Have to run errands be back later. Also read about the candlestick in exodus... one beaten work.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I don't get the cult thing. I don't see my view on the KJV any different than other peoples view of all translations being inspired. I don't believe the KJV is the sole source of truth, but I do believe it's the sole source of complete truth. I'll give you an example.

There is some truth in Psalm 34:2 in the NASB, but one single wrong word "it's", completely removes our ability to understand the marriage relationship between Christ and the church. I'm a man and I am married to Christ, Christ is not a homosexual and Psalm 34:2 in the KJV show's why.

Psalm 34:2New American Standard Bible (NASB)

2 My soul will make its boast in the Lord;
The humble will hear it and rejoice.


Psalm 34:2King James Version (KJV)

2 My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.

Try reading the first part of Romans 7 with the understanding that the woman in those verses is your soul... it will blow your mind. You will know exactly why we are dead to the law by the body of Christ.
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Why would you think any translation is inspired?

You just cannot bring yourself to consider that other translations are on a par with the KJV and that is the basis for concern that you are acting like a cultist.

How much of the bible must you know to come to a saving knowledge of Christ? How much textual criticism is needed to bring a soul to Christ?

Are you causing weaker brethren to stumble with crusade that you have embarked upon?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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KJV1611 said:
Yes. There are 3 that bear witness. 1 John 5:8. Have to run errands be back later. Also read about the candlestick in exodus... one beaten work.
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I may have misunderstood, then... I thought you weren't into the Spirit giving you understanding of Bible passages.

With other people, does that Spirit do that only with the kjv, or other versions as well?
 
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Dan_473 said:
I may have misunderstood, then... I thought you weren't into the Spirit giving you understanding of Bible passages.

With other people, does that Spirit do that only with the kjv, or other versions as well?
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Having had numerous discussion with King James Onlyists, it is clear they think that they are only ones who have true Holy Spirit, as Holy Spirit only reveals himself to true beleivers and that once you are a mature believer, then Holy Spirit shows you the truth about the King James. Cult written all over it.
 
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There's only one one word of God.... the translation/edition was the inspired one.
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This is completely made up from whole cloth... in the imagination of only-ists.....

You came to the conclusion that the KJV is INSPIRED..... how? Only in your mind. There is ZERO indication anywhere that the version demanded by an ancient British king, to support HIS view of Christianity is "inspired".

The only "inspired" scriptures are the original ones... written by men inspired by God. EVERYTHING else is a copy/translation.

No matter what you think....
 
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Dan_473 said:
yes, and similarly, multiple versions are good

2 CORINTHIANS 13:1 This will be my third visit to you. "Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses."
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This should be a minimalist rule for every Christian doctrine, I think.
 
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KJV1611 said:
In a way they did use the KJV because the KJV is no different than the Old Testament writings. The KJV is just like the New Testament scriptures, it brings more clarity to the things already written about in the Old Testament.
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And when we show you that their qutoations of OT differ from the KJV OT, you will just say they are not quotations, but parahprases... nice job :)

And so you can continue saying that their OT was not different.
 
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Isn't it funny how many Christians will argue to the end that we do not have the word of God...that what we have cannot be 100% trusted...only the originals can be trusted...and they will defend that position till the end. Why? I believe that they do not want to give up final authority on what God has said. With many versions along with the Greek lexicons, they will determine what God has said. Why give up authority to a book?
 
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John146 said:
Isn't it funny how many Christians will argue to the end that we do not have the word of God...that what we have cannot be 100% trusted...only the originals can be trusted...and they will defend that position till the end. Why? I believe that they do not want to give up final authority on what God has said. With many versions along with the Greek lexicons, they will determine what God has said. Why give up authority to a book?
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Who said we don't have the word of God......??
 
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John146 said:
Isn't it funny how many Christians will argue to the end that we do not have the word of God...that what we have cannot be 100% trusted...only the originals can be trusted...and they will defend that position till the end. Why? I believe that they do not want to give up final authority on what God has said. With many versions along with the Greek lexicons, they will determine what God has said. Why give up authority to a book?
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well, speaking for myself, I want to leave final authority to the Spirit

ST. JOHN 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes,
he will guide you into all the truth.
He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
 
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Dan_473 said:
well, speaking for myself, I want to leave final authority to the Spirit

ST. JOHN 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes,
he will guide you into all the truth.
He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
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Are you saying that without the word of God, the Holy Spirit would teach you all the doctrines that are found in the word of God? You wouldn't even know that verse, John 16:13, without the word of God.
 
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