"replacement theology" - what is it?

zone · Dec 3, 2016

Jesus did not say he would do anything in Dan 9. Gabriel mentioned jesus only in this way, In that he would be introduced as messiah at the end of 69th week (which he did) and he would be cut off immediately after (which he was) Those are the chain of events, And (although not mentioned) but that he would being an end to the abomination of desolation, and is anointed king of Isreal (and thus the world)

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you have to look at context.

“Seventy weeks[SUP][a][/SUP] are determined For your people and for your holy city,

it not about the church
its not about the gentiles
its not about anyone, other than Daniels People (Israel) and the Holy City (Jerusalem)

ya...and the 70th week followed the 69th perfectly and intact.
anyways, I'm not going to argue with you EG.
neither will change their minds, so.

zone · Dec 3, 2016

LaurenTM said:

so are you actually claiming some endtime generation of jews will be the ones who pierced Jesus?
I thought you were opposed to blood libel of any kind.
how could a jew today be someone who pier.....eh, never mind - it doesn't work.
because that was already fulfilled and the bible says so explicitly.

John 19
Jesus' Side is Pierced
…36Now these things happened so that the Scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of His bones will be broken.” 37And, as another Scripture says: “They will look on the One they have pierced.” 38Later on, Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus (but secretly for fear of the Jews), asked Pilate’s permission to take away the body of Jesus. Pilate granted it, so he came and removed His body.…

no highlighting from me - let's see if you dare to acknowledge what this says.
you prolly wont even read it.

plainguy · Dec 3, 2016

zone said:

Yes ma'am

Genesis 12:1-4

12 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the Lord had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

zone · Dec 3, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

but it wouldn't be eternal anyways, since you have a new heaven and new earth and new Jerusalem, right?
so they only according to you, inherit the land until it's taken away again in eternity, so the literal land today would not be eternal. whatevah.

zone · Dec 3, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

....through you...ABRAM.
the very promises made to Christ

zone · Dec 3, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

oh wow. so much for a 'consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy'

plainguy · Dec 3, 2016

All understanding starts .. or stops .. with or without the knowledge of who the Israel of God is. Anyways ....

KJV1611 · Dec 3, 2016

plainguy said:

Amen! Plus more words so this will post.

zone · Dec 3, 2016

plainguy said:

and......right again

LaurenTM · Dec 3, 2016

KJV1611 said:

you make me think of that hymn that goes

'open my eyes that I might see'

how far you have strayed from the path.....

no offence, but perhaps it started with your conviction that the KJ is inspired

you are interpreting to fit your preclusion...did I just make up a word?

preclusion...I think I like it!

zone · Dec 3, 2016

KJV1611 said:

I'm glad I made your point!

According to John it was just a few at the foot of the cross.

John 19:34-37 KJV
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
[35] And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
[36] For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
[37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

watch for gnashing of teeth - its written but has to be ignored to keep disp presupps

kaylagrl · Dec 3, 2016

Desertsrose said:

I can't believe you just said that! Just as when Jesus came many Jews repented and accepted Jesus as their Messiah, so also today, there are many Jews who have repented and accepted Jesus as their Messiah. You speak of things you just don't know. The nation at some point in the future will get it right and will love and serve God. The 3rd temple will be built and God will put His Spirit within them and He will be their God, and they will be His people.

And how unkind to speak of any people in that way. Our desire should be for all mankind to be saved and we as believers are to treat people with respect. Your words have a sound to it that is bigoted. Where is your heart for the lost of this world?

Israel is legitimately the natural Israel who one day in the future with be both spiritual and natural Israel. The Jews are the natural olive tree. We are wild by nature and have been grafted into their olive tree. The Jews will be once again as a NATION be grafted back into their native olive tree.

You as a believer should be thanking God and the nation of Israel. If it weren't for Israel, you wouldn't be a believer. Scripture says that Israel is a light to the nations.

Isaiah 49:6 “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”

Im glad Im not the only one who called him on that....

kaylagrl · Dec 3, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Hello tanakh,

Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the church in God’s program. Israel is not going to be saved on the basis of being Jewish.

According to Gen.37:9-10, the woman of Rev.12 is identified as the nation Israel. She will give birth to a male child, which is a collective name for the 144,000. These will be a select group of male Israelite's who will acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. From the setting up of the abomination, Both Matt.24:15 and Rev.12:6'14 have the woman/Israel who will have given birth to the male child, fleeing out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years. At some point from the time that they flee during that 1260 days, they will, by the grace of God, acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." Therefore, they are not going to be saved on the basis of being Jews, because for one, it would make God out to be a liar. For His word says, without faith it is impossible to please God.

Thank you brother for clarifying the belief and what the Bible says. It seems there is a misunderstanding in this area of the Word.

kaylagrl · Dec 3, 2016

zone said:

I know what it says and who he was talking to. You're mistaken in your belief and I hope God will open your eyes and you will see that replacement is a false theology.

KJV1611 · Dec 3, 2016

LaurenTM said:

What does what you said here have to do with PROOVING "they shall look on him whom they pierced" did or didn't happen at the cross?

kaylagrl · Dec 3, 2016

LaurenTM said:

I like that there was a question asked "replacement theology" what is it? Then when you answer it you get butaned by the OP who wasn't asking a question at all but is telling you their belief and that they are right.lol

KJV1611 · Dec 3, 2016

kaylagrl said:

The point of the OP I believe was that there is no such thing as replacement theology. It was to give people who think that fleshly Israel is God's chosen people a chance to post verses that say "the children of the flesh, these are the children of God", but those verses don't exist.

notuptome · Dec 3, 2016

KJV1611 said:

The Cross is obviously where they pierced Him but they did not look upon Him as He is the Redeemer sent to redeem Israel from their sins.

They were not looking for a suffering Savior but a King to defeat their oppressors. Israel saw only Rome and not their sin as their oppressor. When this very same Jesus returns in the clouds and enters Jerusalem through the eastern gate then they will see Him for who He is Almighty Everlasting God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

zone · Dec 3, 2016

notuptome said:

what nonsense.
we know the masses didn't
I thought we all knew many did - some of them gave us the NT

Ahwatukee · Dec 3, 2016

KJV1611 said:

Morning KJV1611,

The verse that LauenTM provided is regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. In the context this event is apart of the day of the Lord. Therefore, it is not speaking about when Christ was crucified.

"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, and all the rest of the clans and their wives." - Zech.12:10

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