Tongues Again???

[presidente]

You are definitely wrong about why we reject it. It primarily is fact that your tongues are totally different than what the disciples did. In the genuine TONGUES, people from every known Country heard every word in their very own native "dialektos", which is language so correct even the native accent is present.

With genuine tongues, no one understood the speaker, and the gift of interpretation was needed to understand. Both the Acts 2 case and I Corinthians 14 case were 'genuine tongues'. You err by interpreting one passage in such a way that it contradicts the other.

What purpose did the gift of interpretation of tongues have if what you write is true?

Plus it is the fact that Charismatic tongues is identical to what the pagans did in the Greek and Roman Mystery Religions. It also continues today in non-Christian religions like Mormonism, Muslims, Hindus and, several other non-Christian Religions as well as the Pentecostals and the Charismatics.

The genuine tongues of I Corinthians 14 fit the description of what a lot of Charismatics describe. Paul says of one who speaks in tongues 'no man understandeth him'. He says that if he prays with a tongue, his spirit prays, but his understanding is unfruitful. Many Charismatics do not understand what they say in tongues.

NOTICE: you use EXPERIENCE as the test of the Biblical TRUTH about your conterfeit Tongues.

Directed at another poster, not me. But I noticed your article took other people's alleged experiences and used them to argue against Biblical teachings on tongues.

Now is that how the Scriptures tell us to TEST the spirits that are the origin of different doctrines and experiences? NOT AT ALL:

I'd ask that about your approach also.

1 John 4:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Rejecting all occurrences of a certain type of spiritual gift, even if they fit with a Biblical description, is not testing the spirits. Rejecting spiritual gifts w

I guarantee you NEVER so much as studied the origin of a word that JESUS used when He said do not pray like the Pagans.

That word is "battalogeo", and most of us know that "logeo" in the Greek is WORDS. But where does the Batta come from? The Greeks involved in the Worship of Apollo, were taught to Pray in a Tongue that only the gods understand.

Why don't you show your quotes from Antiquity on this. The authors referenced in the Matthew 6:7 article do not agree with your interpretation.

Matthew 6:7 is the seventh verse of the sixth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. This verse continues the discussion on the proper procedure for praying.In the King James Version of the Bible the text reads:
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions,as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.The World English Bible translates the passage as:
In praying, don’t use vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their much speaking. For a collection of other versions see Bible Gateway Matthew 6:7
The term translated as "vain repetitions" is battalogein. This word is unknown outside this verse appearing in none of the contemporary literature. It might be linked to the Greek term for babbling, or it might also be derived from the Hebrew batel, vain. It is often assumed to be a related to the word polugein, and thus a reference to a large quantity of words.[SUP][1][/SUP]
This verse moves away from condemning the hypocrites to condemning the Gentiles. Matthew never makes clear who these Gentiles are, though pagan prayers to Baal and other gods are mentioned in the Old Testament. In Luke's version of this verse, found at Luke 11:2, it is not the Gentiles who are condemned but "the rest of men."
France notes that in this era Gentile prayer was portrayed as repeated incantations that had to be perfectly recited, but where the spirit and understanding of the prayer was secondary.[SUP][2][/SUP] Fowler states that the Jews believed the pagans needed to incessantly repeat their prayers, because their false gods would not answer them. The followers of the true God had no need to repeat their prayers as God would hear them the first time.[SUP][3][/SUP] Schweizer presents an alternate view. He does not feel battalogeo is a reference to repetition, but to nonsense. He argues that the Jews of that era felt that the pagans had forgotten the true name of God, and that their prayers were thus filled with long lists of meaningless words in an attempt to ensure the true name of God would at some point be mentioned.[SUP][4][/SUP]
This verse is not generally seen as a condemnation of repetitive prayer. Jesus himself repeats prayers, such as at Matthew 26:44, and in two verses he gives a prayer to be repeated. Rather this verse is read as a condemnation of rote prayer without understanding of why one is praying. Protestants such as Martin Luther have used this verse to attack Catholic prayer practices such as the use of rosaries.[SUP][5][/SUP]

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:7

The specific instructions from the Pagan Priest were: "Say batta, batta, batta over and over again as fast as you can, and the gods will turn it into a language that only they understand."

Show us a quote from ancient Greek literature that proves this.

Now, with that understanding of what the PAGANS called their "Prayer Language that only the gods understood",

Show us a quote from ancient Greek literature that says this before proceeding with the conversation.

and the SPECIFIC instructions from JESUS

"This, then, is how you should pray", is it not clear that HE wants us to take our requests directly to the Father, glorifying HIS name in our own KNOWN language? Is it not obvious that every Pentecostal and every Charismatic is disobeying Christ when they use their so-called Private Prayer Language?

Here is another possibility, that you are abusing the cultural and historical approach to interpreting scripture, like homosexual apologists and many other liberals do. You see this kind of stuff all the time when someone with an agenda gets a hold of some pieces of historical information about the ancient near east. I read a blog where a man was trying to make Job and Abraham out to be Horus worshipers. He had his linguistic evidence, too, references to 'Horites' in scripture.

Here, you pick a much debated word, and try to whip up a story around it to make it be about a spiritual gift you reject.

Don't you also see the unnecessary contradiction you are creating between Christ's words and I Corinthians, where believers were speaking in tongues, in languages neither they nor the congregation understood, and an interpretation was required for others to benefit?

 

[plainguy]

With genuine tongues, no one understood the speaker, and the gift of interpretation was needed to understand. Both the Acts 2 case and I Corinthians 14 case were 'genuine tongues'. You err by interpreting one passage in such a way that it contradicts the other.

Acts 2

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

 

[wolfwint]

I totally understand why people reject tongues----they have not experienced it---seems foolish---kinda like Christ is to those who are unsaved... My only hope is people will experience it...(Acts 19:1-6) Grace and Peace

Hi 88 ore somebody else, show me the scripture which says that all christians have to speak, ore will be able to speak in tongues! Even in Pauls time!

 

[presidente]

Plainguy,

That's a great passage. I believe it. I believe this one, too.

I Corinthians 14
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

 

[presidente]

Hi 88 ore somebody else, show me the scripture which says that all christians have to speak, ore will be able to speak in tongues! Even in Pauls time!

Sorry, I can't find that. I can find "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied." Moses said, "would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!"

 

[notuptome]

Nope. What you're neglecting is it happened to Cornelius' house & he was a GENTILE.

Context, context, context, these Gentiles spoke in tongues so the Jews present would know that the same Holy Spirit that was evidenced at Pentecost in the Jews was filling these Gentiles as they professed Christ as Messiah.

Acts 15: 4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 ¶ And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

8Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Face to face is when we see Jesus. "Then" is when we're in heaven. "Then" is when the christian is complete.

How's that for bustin' a move?

Well if for you a move is falling flat on your duff then it's great.

The OT is a shadow of what God has planned with regard to redemption. The NT is the fulfillment of the OT and gives man a full view of how God sees mans righteousness. God has revealed His perfect complete plan of redemption wrought in His Son Jesus Christ.

We go from the soul that sinneth it shall die to all men are sinners and the wages of sin is death.

When we see Christ we will be in our glorified bodies and have no need of any tongues save the glorified tongue of the host of heaven and we sing praise to our Eternal God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zone]

You are definitely wrong about why we reject it. It primarily is fact that your tongues are totally different than what the disciples did. In the genuine TONGUES, people from every known Country heard every word in their very own native "dialektos", which is language so correct even the native accent is present. Plus it is the fact that Charismatic tongues is identical to what the pagans did in the Greek and Roman Mystery Religions. It also continues today in non-Christian religions like Mormonism, Muslims, Hindus and, several other non-Christian Religions as well as the Pentecostals and the Charismatics.

NOTICE: you use EXPERIENCE as the test of the Biblical TRUTH about your conterfeit Tongues. Now is that how the Scriptures tell us to TEST the spirits that are the origin of different doctrines and experiences? NOT AT ALL:


1 John 4:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.


And you just accept the Experience as being from GOD, without ever examining the Scriptures, comparing the experience to what the Disciples actually DID.

I guarantee you NEVER so much as studied the origin of a word that JESUS used when He said do not pray like the Pagans.

That word is "battalogeo", and most of us know that "logeo" in the Greek is WORDS. But where does the Batta come from? The Greeks involved in the Worship of Apollo, were taught to Pray in a Tongue that only the gods understand. The specific instructions from the Pagan Priest were: "Say batta, batta, batta over and over again as fast as you can, and the gods will turn it into a language that only they understand." Plato. who lived centuries before Christ. made reference to the excited feelings generated by tongues in the Worship of Apollo, calling it Divine Ecstacy.




Matthew 6:7-9 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when you pray, do not keep on babbling {battalogeo} like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] "This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,


Now, with that understanding of what the PAGANS called their "Prayer Language that only the gods understood", and the SPECIFIC instructions from JESUS "This, then, is how you should pray", is it not clear that HE wants us to take our requests directly to the Father, glorifying HIS name in our own KNOWN language? Is it not obvious that every Pentecostal and every Charismatic is disobeying Christ when they use their so-called Private Prayer Language?

As you can see, your ASSUMPTION that non-charismatics reject your tongues due to lack of experiencing tongues, is as WRONG as your ASSUMPTION that your charismatic experience is of GOD.

YES!!

 

[1ofthem]

Well if for you a move is falling flat on your duff then it's great.

The OT is a shadow of what God has planned with regard to redemption. The NT is the fulfillment of the OT and gives man a full view of how God sees mans righteousness. God has revealed His perfect complete plan of redemption wrought in His Son Jesus Christ.

We go from the soul that sinneth it shall die to all men are sinners and the wages of sin is death.
Roger

We know that message of God is salvation through Jesus Christ. The gifts are given to help strengthen and build up the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12). They do not go against the message of Christ; they are given to build it up…they do not go contrary to the Word of God but rather work in unity with it…The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost agree in one…

If anyone claims to have a gift of God and goes against the Word of God and its teaching then that gift is not from God. Discernment is also a gift given from God and this gift can and will weed out the fake from the genuine…God has a system of checks and balances in place, and the scripture says that things must be done decently and in order…Why would he give us an order to follow if these things were not to be done any more?

When we see Christ we will be in our glorified bodies and have no need of any tongues save the glorified tongue of the host of heaven and we sing praise to our Eternal God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Look at what you wrote there...Does that not answer the question of why and when tongues will cease?

 

[garee]

We know that message of God is salvation through Jesus Christ. The gifts are given to help strengthen and build up the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12). They do not go against the message of Christ; they are given to build it up…they do not go contrary to the Word of God but rather work in unity with it…The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost agree in one…

If anyone claims to have a gift of God and goes against the Word of God and its teaching then that gift is not from God. Discernment is also a gift given from God and this gift can and will weed out the fake from the genuine…God has a system of checks and balances in place, and the scripture says that things must be done decently and in order…Why would he give us an order to follow if these things were not to be done any more?

Look at what you wrote there...Does that not answer the question of why and when tongues will cease?

Tongues is a revelation of God, after no man called Prophecy.

Are you receiving new revelations or is prophecy sealed up to the end and to add to or subtract from it people should expect a strong delusion sent by God so they can continue to believe the lie?

My question is why do some men need more that He has revealed and therefore go above that which is written as sealed till the end of time?

 

[garee]

Not a salvation issue but more of how can we hear what the Spirit says to the churches .

Pentecostals are not in agreement over tongues being human languages, ecstatic utterances the tongues of angels or unknowable languages. God is not the author of confusion yet it appears to reign supreme in the modern church.

It would appear unless they make the law in regard to the manner of tongue as to its purose, to no effect they have no understanding.

No such thing a spiritual gift, as a sign .The law below is not subject to change. It reads

1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the LORD. Wherefore tongues “are for a sign”, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but “prophesying” serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe .

Obviously we cannot serve two masters. Signs or prophecy? Christ said it an evil generation (pagan natural man) that does seek after signs .

The apostate Jews required a sign in respect to something that did outwardly making prophecy to no effect. The same as do some Pentecostal churches calling their experience, “evidence of the Holy Spirit or receiving the Holy Spirit in full” .as if at rebirth He gave us a portion and not the fullness of His grace.

Same mind set of the Catholics who add purgatory to make up for what they call grace as something they do making what they perform grace complete. . (fullness of grace)

Are the tongues of the modern church for a witness to lost Jews or entertainment of the crowd? Paul cites Isaiah as pretext for tongues relative to Israel but no such relationship is present for Gentiles. Babel is the first reference to differing languages and it was judgment from God to a wayward and disobedient mankind. How does that relate to edification as is the claim of the Pentecostal and charismatic church?

First of all there is no edifying the church by a work we could do. The chapter is not giving its approval of self-edification which is simply an act of self-righteousness in that way again, just like purgatory or Limbo .

1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown” tongue” edifieth himself; but he that “prophesieth” edifieth the church.

It the same theme found in the law (verses 21 and 21) that I posted above that shows the difference between the use of tongues and prophecy as to how they are used throughout the scriptures. Christ said it an evil generation (natural man) that does seek after signs.

I will offer an example below to those who make the prophecy (the hearing of faith) to no effect in exchange for putting their faith in that seen., walking( believing) by sight.


And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.(manna) And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and “it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live”.

The prophecy (brass indicating judgement )

And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. Num 21:5

The ones that did not obey the prophecy giving the faith of Christ by which they could believe God were not moved by that faith to believe, they died turning their eyes away . And the same sign seekers turned it into an idol as a source of faith after that seen .

2Ki 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

It was later ground up into a power and cast into the wind so that there would be nothing left to use as an idol .Sort of like today with a portion of the temple wall . a duplicate of the Exodus account with the golden calf .
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Exodus 32:20 And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it in the fire, and ground it to powder, and strawed it upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink of it.

2Ch 34:7 And when he had broken down the altars and the groves, and had beaten the graven images into powder, and cut down all the idols throughout all the land of Israel, he returned to Jerusalem.

We walk by faith the unseen not by that which is seen.

 

[Stephen63]

Tongues is a revelation of God, after no man called Prophecy.

Are you receiving new revelations or is prophecy sealed up to the end and to add to or subtract from it people should expect a strong delusion sent by God so they can continue to believe the lie?

My question is why do some men need more that He has revealed and therefore go above that which is written as sealed till the end of time?

I'm curious how people link prophecy with new revelation of scripture, when this IS an unproven, unbiblical teaching.

 

[Stephen63]

Obviously we cannot serve two masters. Signs or prophecy? Christ said it an evil generation (pagan natural man) that does seek after signs .

The apostate Jews required a sign in respect to something that did outwardly making prophecy to no effect. The same as do some Pentecostal churches calling their experience, “evidence of the Holy Spirit or receiving the Holy Spirit in full” .as if at rebirth He gave us a portion and not the fullness of His grace.

You cannot say signs and prophecy is the same. It's unbiblical.

 

[Stephen63]

Since prophecy edifies, it's biblically acceptable.

 

[garee]

I'm curious how people link prophecy with new revelation of scripture, when this IS an unproven, unbiblical teaching.

Prophecy is a revelation from God as the very living, abiding, word of God. To prophesy is to declare that which is written.

This makes it impossible for the elect to be deceived today.It is our safeguard as we defend it, it defends us like the armor of God.

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew "great signs and wonders"; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before.Mat 24:23

Today if any say thus says the Lord therefore, bringing new prophecy... we are to believe not. Its how I believe we are test the spirits to see if they are of God or of men .

By following his guide line we know Mohammad and ISIS are false prophets.

 

[notuptome]

We know that message of God is salvation through Jesus Christ. The gifts are given to help strengthen and build up the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12). They do not go against the message of Christ; they are given to build it up…they do not go contrary to the Word of God but rather work in unity with it…The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost agree in one…

If anyone claims to have a gift of God and goes against the Word of God and its teaching then that gift is not from God. Discernment is also a gift given from God and this gift can and will weed out the fake from the genuine…God has a system of checks and balances in place, and the scripture says that things must be done decently and in order…Why would he give us an order to follow if these things were not to be done any more?

You perceive it as an order when it is an admonishment. Scripture says that three specific gifts will end. The rest continue but tongues ended. So we are in fact weeding out the fake.

Look at what you wrote there...Does that not answer the question of why and when tongues will cease?

You continue to miss the nature and purpose for tongues. They are for a testimony to the Jews. They have always been associated with impending judgment from God. Gentiles lacking the history of the Jews miss this entirely.

An understanding of Joel two shows that the gifts of tongues will be returned during the tribulation as a witness to Israel to prepare them for the return of their Messiah. As the church we will already be with Christ and come with Him to rule and reign during the millennium.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

You cannot say signs and prophecy is the same. It's unbiblical.

Again context. If prophecy is new revelation it has ceased. If prophecy is preaching the word of God then it most certainly continues that the gospel message goes into the world to save souls.

Probably tired of hearing it but context is important to prevent error.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

You cannot say signs and prophecy is the same. It's unbiblical.

They are not the same they serve two different functions.

What Peter spoke at Pentecost it was two fold, as a sign it confirmed unbelief (no faith) . As prophecy 3000 souls were quicken by the word of God which worked in the individuals to both will and do His good pleasure, as a imputed righteousness.

 

[Stephen63]

Prophecy is a revelation from God as the very living, abiding, word of God. To prophesy is to declare that which is written.

This makes it impossible for the elect to be deceived today.It is our safeguard as we defend it, it defends us like the armor of God.

Prophecy is when men speak by the Spirit the words spoken by God. God's words are NOT limited to scripture, but..... THEY ARE LIMITED TO THE STANDARDS OF SCRIPTURE, for God does not change.

I was prophesied over that I would preach the gospel. That confirmed what I already knew, & kept with the standards of the NT.

 

[Stephen63]

Again context. If prophecy is new revelation it has ceased. If prophecy is preaching the word of God then it most certainly continues that the gospel message goes into the world to save souls.

Probably tired of hearing it but context is important to prevent error.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

There is no "RULE" that personal revelation adds to the book of Revelation. This is a fabrication of long ago that was never proven. NO scripture speaks of it.