Dualism, the doctrine of a disassociated identity

[InSpiritInTruth]

guess you don't like real truth. real truth. not the fake "

God's words are truth, which I have posted, but yet you do not believe them.

 

[HisHolly]

Maybe BC hes not your servant? I don't do it either when people come at me and all I'm doing is sharing truth God revealed... Bible says be ready to answer those who want to know a reason for your hope, not those who question your 'position' or 'right' to speak truth....

another why question- why is that the guy who " does not willfully sin " ( haha) , who wields the " rod of correction", who is so superior to us reprobrate sinners, who freely admit that we are not perfect, why is it that this guy refuses to answer??

I mean if he so much better than us, why is he so unwilling to answer simple questions?

 

[HisHolly]

Shouldn't you have more fear of the Lord than to just go around questioning rights? We are accountable to God not man if sent or given truth to deliver.. Ask God the questions you have..

 

[KJV1611]

God's words are truth, which I have posted, but yet you do not believe them.

Nobody is arguing that God's words are right, they're saying that you post out of context verses to prove your doctrine and then you wont answer their questions about those verses because the verses really doesn't support your doctrine.

 

[JesusRules1]

A Spirit led life will abstain from sin,therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution,for if you are led of the Spirit then you are doing wrong,but if doing sin,led by the flesh,and having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof,which some are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.

Correction-if you are led of the Spirit you are not doing wrong,which I put doing wrong,but I am sure people know it was a mistake,but it bothers me that I do not proof read it before posting.

 

[HisHolly]

Nobody is arguing that God's words are right, they're saying that you post out of context verses to prove your doctrine and then you wont answer their questions about those verses because the verses really doesn't support your doctrine.

Every false doctrine is false BC it allows sin to stay.. how is freedom from it a false doctrine?

 

[Grace777x70]

Perhaps attack is too strong a word. Question suits better?

Ok....let's say that you still sin from time to time and do a work of the flesh - what sin it is - is really irrelevant.

Here is the setup: I post this:

I say "if you sin - then you are a child of the devil and you are not born of God and you are really a servant of sin."

Then I post this verse to "prove" you are still a child of the devil.

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So, because you still sin - you are a reprobate, a child of the devil, accursed, not born of God and condemned to hell because you hate God's words.

I only speak God's word and if you reject it - you are rejecting Him but that's what reprobates do.

I only speak God's words and you will not hear God's words so you are cursed.

( all this I said was a bunch of religious nonsense with some truth here and there sprinkled in but out of context with the whole gospel message of the grace and love of God for us in Christ's finished work )

How would a young Christian learning how to live by Christ within them feel and think after seeing this bunch of religious nonsense spoken to them? It has great potential for harm.


So, "personal application" of scriptures to me is very important.

 

[KJV1611]

Every false doctrine is false BC it allows sin to stay.. how is freedom from it a false doctrine?

The flase doctrine is that one becomes a Christian and stops sinning. We're all sinners and we still continue to sin after we're saved... even the apostle Paul STILL sinned after he was saved.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Nobody is arguing that God's words are right, they're saying that you post out of context verses to prove your doctrine and then you wont answer their questions about those verses because the verses really doesn't support your doctrine.

I've answered questions about many verses, but they still do not believe me, even you. But what I do not answer is all the personal questions about me that have nothing to do with making God's words true or not. God's words are truth by their self, not what others think of me. The only reason my posts turn into a roast about me is because those who hate only want to accuse, not that they care to know God's words.

 

[posthuman]

Because they have no sincere intention in wanting to know the Truth, they just want to accuse and condemn me.

if you are sinless, i sincerely want to know how that is.

if you are not, i sincerely want to know whether you consider yourself saved or not purely on that basis, and if so, how you reconcile the existence of sin in your life with having been born again in the Spirit.

i sincerely want to know the truth about how the scripture can say that anyone who denies they have sin is a liar and that anyone born of God cannot ((continue in​ ?)) sin. i'd sincerely like to understand how both of these can be true without some kind of dualistic comprehension of our full current nature and state.

i'd sincerely like to know why it is tacitly assumed that any kind of dualism at all = gnostic heresy ((if that's really the case)). i'd sincerely like to know how that jives with scripture when it says such things as "it is no longer I who sin" and/or "it is no longer I who live" -- i'd sincerely like to know how such truths are not a description of a kind of dualistic state of the redeemed man.

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i'd also sincerely like to know how anyone thinks that refusing to answer questions leads anyone to the truth.

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((P.S. -- not here to condemn anyone))

 

[bravethea]

1 Peter 4:1 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

 

[HisHolly]

Lay aside every sin and weight... If not possible why say it?

The flase doctrine is that one becomes a Christian and stops sinning. We're all sinners and we still continue to sin after we're saved... even the apostle Paul STILL sinned after he was saved.

 

[KJV1611]

I've answered questions about many verses, but they still do not believe me, even you. But what I do not answer is all the personal questions about me that have nothing to do with making God's words true or not. God's words are truth by their self, not what others think of me. The only reason my posts turn into a roast about me is because those who hate only want to accuse, not that they care to know God's words.

That's absolutely not true, no one here is accusing you of anything that I've seen, other than accusing you of not answering questions asked of you.

 

[HisHolly]

If he was sent to teach personal application and didn't, I'd see the point... Obviously he's not.. take the truth and inquire of God.. We were given the Holy Spirit as well. Our total reliance is not on man to give us anything

Ok....let's say that you still sin from time to time and do a work of the flesh - what sin it is - is really irrelevant.

Here is the setup: I post this:

I say "if you sin - then you are a child of the devil and you are not born of God and you are really a servant of sin."

Then I post this verse to "prove" you are still a child of the devil.

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So, because you still sin - you are a reprobate, a child of the devil, accursed, not born of God and condemned to hell because you hate God's words.

I only speak God's word and if you reject it - you are rejecting Him but that's what reprobates do.

I only speak God's words and you will not hear God's words so you are cursed.

( all this I said was a bunch of religious nonsense with some truth here and there sprinkled in but out of context with the whole gospel message of the grace and love of God for us in Christ's finished work )

How would a young Christian learning how to live by Christ within them feel and think after seeing this bunch of religious nonsense spoken to them? It has great potential for harm.


So, "personal application" of scriptures to me is very important.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

if you are sinless,

That straw man prop is not even a word I find in my KJV bible. So bad start.

 

[KJV1611]

Lay aside every sin and weight... If not possible why say it?

I really don't know how to answer this question... yes it's good advice but can you do it? Have you laid aside every sin?

 

[HisHolly]

G7, I'm only pulling your posts to address my over all points... I have nothing personal intended.. I want to say that so you don't take it as a coming at you..If you rather I didn't, I wont

 

[KJV1611]

That straw man prop is not even a word I find in my KJV bible. So bad start.

Here is why people are giving you a hard time... you know exaclty what is being asked here but you refuse to answer the question.

 

[gb9]

I've answered questions about many verses, but they still do not believe me, even you. But what I do not answer is all the personal questions about me that have nothing to do with making God's words true or not. God's words are truth by their self, not what others think of me. The only reason my posts turn into a roast about me is because those who hate only want to accuse, not that they care to know God's words.

see. here is the thing- you have built a doctrine which you cannot defend. that is why you just make statements and then try to shout down anyone who asks a question, refusing to answer the question.

you can use the Bible, go heavy on sin and judgment , and build this doctrine ( garbage) you push. but when those us who use the entire council of God disagree, you just refuse to have a discussion ( this is the Bible DISCUSSION forum ), and just try to shout down everyone.

 

[HisHolly]

Would it be in scripture if it wasn't? If he allowed one thing that's not possible, He fails to uphold truth and ceases to be God.... I have not, but as I allow my mind to open and be transformed I do see my error and leave it in the last place I used it.. many things I use to do I no longer do.. if that's much has been true, why not completely?

I really don't know how to answer this question... yes it's good advice but can you do it? Have you laid aside every sin?