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Amen...an exchanged life is a fruit of having already repented and came to believe in Christ. The same way we came to Christ is the exact same way we walk with Him throughout the rest of our lives.
The hearing of Him and what He has already done brings repentance and changes our thinking to believe in Him and His work for us.
This believing to trust in Him brings forth His life in us.
That is when the "fruit of having repented" shows up in our lives. It is the dynamic of the kingdom and New Covenant.
In the Old Covenant - it was your works of " doing something or by not doing something" in order to get something. In the New - it's believing in Christ and what He has already done and then we experience an exchanged life.
Get this backwards and we exchange the gospel of the grace of God in Christ for a religion.
and became a babe in christ, with alot of learning to do 
Mostly to learn how to depend on God, and not yourself. which in turn, allowed you to focus on loving others
Mostly to learn how to depend on God, and not yourself. which in turn, allowed you to focus on loving others
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I know I am just going by what was said.
It says the next day, He saw Jesus coming, and when he saw hm, he said.... In another passage, he said that Jesus should baptize him, SO it is known he knew Jesus when he came.. Maybe as someone said, It was prophetic or the HS in him, remember when mary came to Elisabeth and as he baby (john the baptist) jumped in her stomach because he knew..
Thats why I said, it can be confusing, I learn to just take some things in faith knowing one day I can ask john himself when I get to heaven..lol
LOL...if you were "spiritual" you would obey God and send me your tithes. Do you not want to obey God? Do you want to be a reprobate?
You better start sending me money for "God's ordained church" if you want to make yourself ready for the Lord's 2nd coming and then you too will be worthy...
Don't you want to attain to the resurrection of the dead? ( are we on this one yet?.. )
You better start sending me money for "God's ordained church" if you want to make yourself ready for the Lord's 2nd coming and then you too will be worthy...
Don't you want to attain to the resurrection of the dead? ( are we on this one yet?..
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LOL...if you were "spiritual" you would obey God and send me your tithes. Do you not want to obey God? Do you want to be a reprobate?
You better start sending me money for "God's ordained church" if you want to make yourself ready for the Lord's 2nd coming and then you too will be worthy...
Don't you want to attain to the resurrection of the dead? ( are we on this one yet?.. )
You better start sending me money for "God's ordained church" if you want to make yourself ready for the Lord's 2nd coming and then you too will be worthy...
Don't you want to attain to the resurrection of the dead? ( are we on this one yet?..
)you better get re-baptized, I fear your first one was insufficient, or you would not be making such grace errors.
My wife just reminded me of our old CoC slogan of 40 years ago. H,B,R,C,B.
H — Hear
B — Believe
R — Repent
C — Confess (Actually, this is just The Profession of Faith)
B — Baptized
Although that denomination is a bit too hooked on thinking that Water Baptism is necessary for Salvation, I think they got most of the rest of it right.
We need to understand that we cannot 'Change Our Minds' (Repent) without doing a couple of other things first. And most of the Religious world would have us believe that the first thing we have to do is feel bad that we sinned. And, "Yes", that does precede Repentance. (But, it is NOT Repentance)
The Bible says that we would not even KNOW something was 'sin' if the Law didn't first tell us it was. And this is the very reason that the Jews to whom John was preaching that they needed to 'Repent', were ALREADY feeling bad. They were there at the river for their annual baptism BECAUSE of that very fact. They felt bad that they had sinned against God.
They were prepared to get wet again, and then go home for another year after which they would return for yet another annual remission-causing dunk in the water. Good to go for another year. This was all they knew of that was written in their Law that would do anything about their sinning.
But, rather than just going to the usual Jerusalem Baptism Basins, where the old priest would dunk them (or maybe sprinkle? I really dunno) , as they had been experiencing all their adult lives, some of them were hearing of this new guy outside of town several miles, who seemed to be adding a new twist to the dunking. He was having a sort of "Tent Meeting" (to use our terms), and was also Preaching something.
All sorts of people flocked to hear this guy. Even the Big Leaders of the church went to check him out. Why? It was because of this strange Preaching. It was a new message. This weird guy was saying that although he was doing the usual Baptism thing for them, this was probably going to be the last time this would work for the remission of their sins.
He was trying to actually get them to believe that a heavier-duty dude than him was coming — and that THIS guy was going to do something entirely different. John was telling the congregation there that they were going to have to do some thinking about what he was saying. And, that they were going to have to make some decisions because of that preaching.
They were going to have to HEAR and BELIEVE what he was telling them. And because of listening to him, thinking about his words, and finally coming to believe that he was telling them the truth, they were going to have to do something about it.
They were going to have to Change Their Minds..... Change the way they were thinking about just what it was that was going to give them Remission of Sins in the future. They were going to have to do just what he was preaching. They were going to have to REPENT (Change their thinking about what they would put their trust in for the future.)
Then, they needed to actually come right out and take a stand for this new system of thinking (The 'Confession', or Profession of Faith. What they now were going to believe in.) This is what he was pressuring the Pharisees about.
Notice that unless we modern people give a completely different meaning to their well-established and thoroughly-understood word, 'Repent', there is never even one single mention of getting a long face, and lamenting all their sins. Remember...... these people were very specifically there because they ALREADY felt bad about their sinning. That was totally the point of the often days-long trip to get there.
John wasn't telling them to wail louder or look even sadder....... or to REALLY be sorry this time. He was telling them to use their brains, and to absorb his words, and to think about his message so that they could make a decision about what was being preached to them, and come to the conclusion to CHANGE THEIR MINDS (Repent) about where their future Salvation really lies.
H — Hear
B — Believe
R — Repent
C — Confess (Actually, this is just The Profession of Faith)
B — Baptized
Although that denomination is a bit too hooked on thinking that Water Baptism is necessary for Salvation, I think they got most of the rest of it right.
We need to understand that we cannot 'Change Our Minds' (Repent) without doing a couple of other things first. And most of the Religious world would have us believe that the first thing we have to do is feel bad that we sinned. And, "Yes", that does precede Repentance. (But, it is NOT Repentance)
The Bible says that we would not even KNOW something was 'sin' if the Law didn't first tell us it was. And this is the very reason that the Jews to whom John was preaching that they needed to 'Repent', were ALREADY feeling bad. They were there at the river for their annual baptism BECAUSE of that very fact. They felt bad that they had sinned against God.
They were prepared to get wet again, and then go home for another year after which they would return for yet another annual remission-causing dunk in the water. Good to go for another year. This was all they knew of that was written in their Law that would do anything about their sinning.
But, rather than just going to the usual Jerusalem Baptism Basins, where the old priest would dunk them (or maybe sprinkle? I really dunno) , as they had been experiencing all their adult lives, some of them were hearing of this new guy outside of town several miles, who seemed to be adding a new twist to the dunking. He was having a sort of "Tent Meeting" (to use our terms), and was also Preaching something.
All sorts of people flocked to hear this guy. Even the Big Leaders of the church went to check him out. Why? It was because of this strange Preaching. It was a new message. This weird guy was saying that although he was doing the usual Baptism thing for them, this was probably going to be the last time this would work for the remission of their sins.
He was trying to actually get them to believe that a heavier-duty dude than him was coming — and that THIS guy was going to do something entirely different. John was telling the congregation there that they were going to have to do some thinking about what he was saying. And, that they were going to have to make some decisions because of that preaching.
They were going to have to HEAR and BELIEVE what he was telling them. And because of listening to him, thinking about his words, and finally coming to believe that he was telling them the truth, they were going to have to do something about it.
They were going to have to Change Their Minds..... Change the way they were thinking about just what it was that was going to give them Remission of Sins in the future. They were going to have to do just what he was preaching. They were going to have to REPENT (Change their thinking about what they would put their trust in for the future.)
Then, they needed to actually come right out and take a stand for this new system of thinking (The 'Confession', or Profession of Faith. What they now were going to believe in.) This is what he was pressuring the Pharisees about.
Notice that unless we modern people give a completely different meaning to their well-established and thoroughly-understood word, 'Repent', there is never even one single mention of getting a long face, and lamenting all their sins. Remember...... these people were very specifically there because they ALREADY felt bad about their sinning. That was totally the point of the often days-long trip to get there.
John wasn't telling them to wail louder or look even sadder....... or to REALLY be sorry this time. He was telling them to use their brains, and to absorb his words, and to think about his message so that they could make a decision about what was being preached to them, and come to the conclusion to CHANGE THEIR MINDS (Repent) about where their future Salvation really lies.
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For even if I made you sorry with my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while. Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter. Therefore, although I wrote to you, I did not do it for the sake of him who had done the wrong, nor for the sake of him who suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear to you.
For even if I made you sorry with my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while. Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter. Therefore, although I wrote to you, I did not do it for the sake of him who had done the wrong, nor for the sake of him who suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear to you.