Name a place that God did NOT create. This is amazing...

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Beyond, I hope it's interesting. To begin, there are 4 pages of posts, and I didn't check them all. Sorry about that.
Oh, beware, I have been called a heretic for what you are about to read...

Let's start with this "God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all." (1 John 1:5)In Bible times, light was pretty harmless. Moses would not believe that light could cut metal. Today, we understand that light is a serious matter.

1 tim 6:16, Here we have the key. “Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach .... Amen.”

In medieval times they couldn't understand this simple verse. Now we do.

Since science has moved on we know more about light. For instance, a lasers are used in most classes in school. Many students have seen how a laser can be passed through a crystal. The crystal isn't destroyed unless it is flawed with a dark spot...

Laser Types and Classification | Environmental Health and Safety | Oregon State University

God uses the natural world, to illuminate the supernatural world. Let's shed a little light. God seems to be a light on the order of a really powerful laser.. I'll allow you to examine the topic on your own time.

Now, where do we see a man that is able to be in God's presence and not be hurt? Adam is the answer. The sin thing comes around that time.

What do we know from Adam? Before he had sin, he was able to be with God. After sin, it's over. God doesn't enter the AO of Adam. So, logically we can make a leap...in is what man does not want to have. Not when God is around. Especially if you have no body to stop God's light.

Where can we go that God s not there? Well, scripture says that God is iin Hell. Psalm 139:8. Once we are dead, there's no where to hide.
 
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Jonteel

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Millions, maybe billions, of people are atheists. Talk to them. They will tell you that God is evil because God created Hell. Now here is where the shadow of Picasso becomes relevant. bear with me.

Charles Templeton was Billy Graham's evangelistic partner. Many believed he was a BETTER minister than Billy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Templeton
You can verify the facts if you care.

Templeton turned his back on Christianity. He became a leader in the athiest/ non-believer community. He represents them pretty well.

He said that he couldn't believe in a god that would create Hell.

Well, if Picasso "created" his shadow, then God can be held culpable for said shadow. Can God be held responsible for Hell, and there in lies the argument.

Genesis 1:1 says, "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good." Does the Bible lie?

If you believe in a good God, and all He made is good, then go out and tell an atheist. Admittedly, many people dont have the IQ to understand higher concepts, but most atheists are pretty smart.
 
Magenta

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Jonteel said:
Millions, maybe billions, of people are atheists. Talk to them. They will tell you that God is evil because God created Hell. Now here is where the shadow of Picasso becomes relevant. bear with me.
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About three to possibly ten percent of the population identifies as atheist. That can hardly be billions.
 
stonesoffire

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I'm listening...Am sure I'm not the only one. I'd really like to hear Jonteel..
 
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GODisLOVE7

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Jonteel said:
Millions, maybe billions, of people are atheists. Talk to them. They will tell you that God is evil because God created Hell. Now here is where the shadow of Picasso becomes relevant. bear with me.

Charles Templeton was Billy Graham's evangelistic partner. Many believed he was a BETTER minister than Billy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Templeton
You can verify the facts if you care.

Templeton turned his back on Christianity. He became a leader in the athiest/ non-believer community. He represents them pretty well.

He said that he couldn't believe in a god that would create Hell.

Well, if Picasso "created" his shadow, then God can be held culpable for said shadow. Can God be held responsible for Hell, and there in lies the argument.

Genesis 1:1 says, "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good." Does the Bible lie?

If you believe in a good God, and all He made is good, then go out and tell an atheist. Admittedly, many people dont have the IQ to understand higher concepts, but most atheists are pretty smart.
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Understanding and wisdom are revealed by the Holy Spirit, not IQ.
 
stonesoffire

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Is this something that Satan himself created? Like his version of his kingdom?
 
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Now I'm debating myself. There's a second heaven and fire in the center of the earth? Which is hell?
 
Magenta

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Ok. I taught math. 7.5 billion is the world population.

10% of that is 750 million. However, the number of atheists in China is much higher as a percentage. Bye
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As a math teacher you should know that one would
never round up LESS than a billion to call it billions.
You can't just fabricate stats to support your theory.
 
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Jonteel said:
Millions, maybe billions, of people are atheists. Talk to them. They will tell you that God is evil because God created Hell. Now here is where the shadow of Picasso becomes relevant. bear with me.

Charles Templeton was Billy Graham's evangelistic partner. Many believed he was a BETTER minister than Billy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Templeton
You can verify the facts if you care.

Templeton turned his back on Christianity. He became a leader in the athiest/ non-believer community. He represents them pretty well.

He said that he couldn't believe in a god that would create Hell.

Well, if Picasso "created" his shadow, then God can be held culpable for said shadow. Can God be held responsible for Hell, and there in lies the argument.

Genesis 1:1 says, "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good." Does the Bible lie?

If you believe in a good God, and all He made is good, then go out and tell an atheist. Admittedly, many people dont have the IQ to understand higher concepts, but most atheists are pretty smart.
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I don't base my theology on what makes atheists happy.


The scripture says atheists know there is a God...
they know there is a God and they reject him.

It doesn't matter if hell is made of leaping fires or cotton candy...
atheists want nothing to do with God.

Their decision to reject God is NOT a rational decision based on anyone's parsing of the theology of hell,
they simply choose sin over God.
 
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stonesoffire

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Well shucks, I did want to hear the end of this.
 
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I thoroughly enjoy talking to atheists . . .

it's like being at a zoo where you can feed the animals.
 
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Matthew 25(KJV)

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


It says the Kingdom was prepared from the foundation of the world not Hell. Hell was a place prepared for the punishment of the devil and his angels
 
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TemporaryCircumstances

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Utah said:
I thoroughly enjoy talking to atheists . . .

it's like being at a zoo where you can feed the animals.
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XD Not nice lol
 
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This is beginning to sound like some group that is approaching Christianity from the point of Science and NOT Faith. Don't know that it is, but it is beginning to sound like it.

If so, then it will not prove out. Christianity is based on Faith. Without Faith it is impossible to please God. And, I would submit, that without Faith, it is impossible to believe in, follow, or understand God/the Scriptures.

Anyway, folks can choose to do as they wish, but until this Gentleman reveals who exactly he is representing here, I will bow out of the conversations.
 
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As you know Jonteel i have directed you to Matthew 25:41 where God tells us in His Word that He "prepared" a place for satan and his demons. So if this is true (its Gods Word so it must be true) then He "prepared" which basically means He created hell. So again i will ask you...show me one passage in Scripture where God says that He did not create hell.
 
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Jonteel

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Well sac and Magenta. First Sac. I am running 12 threads in 4 forums, just havent been able to dig out the strongs yet. As i will. I hope, we will see...
Magenta. Its China that tips the balance over 2 billion. Any communist country promotes atheism, so 50% is not a bad guess, but who knows. With a pop of 4.7 billion, that eassily exceeds 2 bil.
 
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