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I had an experience years ago with a young lady who had an evil spirit. I had met her husband at a church gathering and he brought his wife over to introduce her. She took one look at me and begin to back up, her dark eyes had the look of a wild animal that has been brought to bay. Her husband acted somewhat embarrassed as he had his arm around her and was trying to push her forward while she was determinedly backing away. Just a few days later at a prayer meeting I heard someone say, come out in Jesus name. It was the young lady and she cut loose with an awful scream, she was spitting up stuff and after considerable prayer she was alright. In time I got to know her and she said that she had a spirit of murder and felt so much better after the casting out.
I think the devil is more interested in wanting to destroy Jesus and His work. As if he ever could.
There's a thing tossed around all the time about selling our soul to the devil. I suppose in witchcraft one could make a pact with the devil, but this too is deception.
Jesus has redeemed all of mankind to Himself and to Father...your soul, body, spirit actually belongs to God. The only way that the enemy can supercede this is by our rejection of the blood of His Cross.
He's such a liar.
There's a thing tossed around all the time about selling our soul to the devil. I suppose in witchcraft one could make a pact with the devil, but this too is deception.
Jesus has redeemed all of mankind to Himself and to Father...your soul, body, spirit actually belongs to God. The only way that the enemy can supercede this is by our rejection of the blood of His Cross.
He's such a liar.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The word "demon" isn't used in KJV, but it is in other translations.
When we look at Matthew 7:22 in NLT
On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
The word "demons" means evil spirits or the messengers and ministers of the devil.
Since the Devil is the father of lies and there is no truth in him, then messengers and ministers of the devil would be messengers of lies.
Therefore, I would conjecture that demon possession means possessing lies in our thoughts.
Proverbs 24:9 The thought of foolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men.
The word "demon" isn't used in KJV, but it is in other translations.
When we look at Matthew 7:22 in NLT
On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’
The word "demons" means evil spirits or the messengers and ministers of the devil.
Since the Devil is the father of lies and there is no truth in him, then messengers and ministers of the devil would be messengers of lies.
Therefore, I would conjecture that demon possession means possessing lies in our thoughts.
Proverbs 24:9 The thought of foolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men.
Possessed of a spirit can have two meanings, on the one hand it can mean that the spirit has possession of the person, on the other hand it can mean that the person possesses a spirit. The first would be like the young man that Jesus healed that was controlled by a spirit that was trying to kill him(cast him into fire and into water). The second would be like the slave girl who went about telling things that could not be normally known. I think there are a lot of people who have spirits that are with them and who greatly influence their lives, however they are not completely controlled by the spirit and still have a will of their own. On the other hand, a person who is completely taken over by a spirit would be something scary to behold since you would be watching a demon who is using a human body.
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Christians are not demon possessed...they can and are oppressed...and I personally believe that demons can and do indwell Christians...but not their spirits..
possession denotes ownership and demons do not own Christians...for that matter, they really have no right to own anything...they are squatters and need eviction...humans are God's creation
the original language concerning possession, is that the person possesses or has a demon...the demon does not have the person
I don't have time to do a word study on that, but check it out yourself if you know how
while every Christain should know how to deal with these things, sadly they do not and have left themselves open to wrong teaching and the mistaken idea that you need a 'deliverance minister' to get rid of them
there is not such thing or teaching in scripture as a deliverance minister...however, we do have discerning of spirits which' IMO, you would certainly be well equipped to have when dealing with demons and people who are clueless but just have the vague idea that 'something is wrong'
yes I have experience...so does Demi...everyone else dunno
I do not think it wise for people to begin dealing with them unless they have a good foundation in the Lord...ALL demons are pathological liars...if they tell the truth at all it is only to deceive in some way...at any rate, it is a truth encounter and not a power encounter...the truth is that Jesus has already won the battle
Christians are not demon possessed...they can and are oppressed...and I personally believe that demons can and do indwell Christians...but not their spirits..
possession denotes ownership and demons do not own Christians...for that matter, they really have no right to own anything...they are squatters and need eviction...humans are God's creation
the original language concerning possession, is that the person possesses or has a demon...the demon does not have the person
I don't have time to do a word study on that, but check it out yourself if you know how
while every Christain should know how to deal with these things, sadly they do not and have left themselves open to wrong teaching and the mistaken idea that you need a 'deliverance minister' to get rid of them
there is not such thing or teaching in scripture as a deliverance minister...however, we do have discerning of spirits which' IMO, you would certainly be well equipped to have when dealing with demons and people who are clueless but just have the vague idea that 'something is wrong'
yes I have experience...so does Demi...everyone else dunno
I do not think it wise for people to begin dealing with them unless they have a good foundation in the Lord...ALL demons are pathological liars...if they tell the truth at all it is only to deceive in some way...at any rate, it is a truth encounter and not a power encounter...the truth is that Jesus has already won the battle
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possess in this case reflects on the meaning of 'to have' not ownership
it's the translation..samuel is right in this case...the person has or possesses the demon or many...not meaning they own them but have them
not trying to be a smart aleck here, but please check it out...the KJV is poorly translated in this case
possess in this case reflects on the meaning of 'to have' not ownership
it's the translation..samuel is right in this case...the person has or possesses the demon or many...not meaning they own them but have them
not trying to be a smart aleck here, but please check it out...the KJV is poorly translated in this case
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δαιμονιζόμενον (daimonizomenon) — 2 OccurrencesMatthew 9:32 V-PPM/P-AMS
GRK: ἄνθρωπον κωφὸν δαιμονιζόμενον
NAS: out, a mute, demon-possessed man
KJV: a dumb man possessed with a devil.
INT: a man mute possessed by a demon
Mark 5:15 V-PPM/P-AMS
GRK: θεωροῦσιν τὸν δαιμονιζόμενον καθήμενον ἱματισμένον
NAS: and observed the man who had been demon-possessed sitting down,
KJV: see him that was possessed with the devil, and had
INT: see the [man] possessed by demons sitting clothed
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δαιμονιζόμενον (daimonizomenon) — 2 OccurrencesMatthew 9:32 V-PPM/P-AMS
GRK: ἄνθρωπον κωφὸν δαιμονιζόμενον
NAS: out, a mute, demon-possessed man
KJV: a dumb man possessed with a devil.
INT: a man mute possessed by a demon
Mark 5:15 V-PPM/P-AMS
GRK: θεωροῦσιν τὸν δαιμονιζόμενον καθήμενον ἱματισμένον
NAS: and observed the man who had been demon-possessed sitting down,
KJV: see him that was possessed with the devil, and had
INT: see the [man] possessed by demons sitting clothed
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a concordance is not or should not be anyone's go to study tool
I have done an exhaustive study on this and used far better materials and consulted with those who have done deliverance as I have actually myelf
I am by no means any sort of minister...but when these things pop up in your face, you better know how to deal
I would never consult with someone who is stuck on a meaning and says something HAS to be done a certain way
the Holy Spirit is not contained and best to develop the tools to listen to HIM
I have done an exhaustive study on this and used far better materials and consulted with those who have done deliverance as I have actually myelf
I am by no means any sort of minister...but when these things pop up in your face, you better know how to deal
I would never consult with someone who is stuck on a meaning and says something HAS to be done a certain way
the Holy Spirit is not contained and best to develop the tools to listen to HIM