Trump’s Order Blocks Immigrants at Airports

[dcontroversal]

You Bleeding Hearts Liberals do realize, don't you, that according to the previous method of "vetting"... every one of those 911 terrorists were very comfortably vetted to the extent that the vetting we have been previously doing meant anything?

Hardly bro....and in my view....they have no right to talk unless they have signed up and are willing to house 1 to 4 Syrian refugees.....mostly men of fighting age fleeing while the WOMEN stay to fight.....!

 

[plainguy]

You Bleeding Hearts Liberals do realize, don't you, that according to the previous method of "vetting"... every one of those 911 terrorists were very comfortably vetted to the extent that the vetting we have been previously doing meant anything?

I'm not against what Trump's doing ... it's necessary. It's just that a one to three day advance notice or something of the sort might have helped save a few innocents some unneeded fret and worry is all. I'm talking about those in possession of vetted passports, working visa's, green cards etc ... and not any newcomers looking to squeeze in at the last minute.

 

[Willie-T]

I'm not against what Trump's doing ... it's necessary. It's just that a one to three day advance notice or something of the sort might have helped save a few innocents some unneeded fret and worry is all. I'm talking about those in possession of vetted passports, working visa's, green cards etc ... and not any newcomers looking to squeeze in at the last minute.

Trump has clearly stated that the days of the USA "telegraphing" our next moves and our intentions to possible enemies is over.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Again, time will tell. And again, the psychological impact alone will produce positive benefits.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Trump has clearly stated that the days of the USA "telegraphing" our next moves and our intentions to possible enemies is over.

Thank God. Imagine doing that in a fight? Yet the liberal morons want to do that in war.

 

[Willie-T]

Unfortunately, a couple of dozen people got inconvenienced in this transition. They'll survive. No one was injured or killed as they might have been if they had gotten caught somewhere in one of America's "peaceful" Liberal protests. Let's get over it.

 

[plainguy]

Again, time will tell. And again, the psychological impact alone will produce positive benefits.

I agree .. and said as much in an earlier post. His intention was to send a strong message. And he did. I have to believe that he was well aware of the controversy that was sure to follow. There's an old adage that says .. "Sometimes if you don't speak loud enough, people won't hear you". He was making sure he was heard. All intended.

 

[Sirk]

Trump has clearly stated that the days of the USA "telegraphing" our next moves and our intentions to possible enemies is over.

The coddled among us are having a fit. No coddling and bending to their emotion based worldview anymore.

 

[plainguy]

The coddled among us are having a fit. No coddling and bending to their emotion based worldview anymore.

You bigoted racist

 

[Willie-T]

People act like Trump has never backed-down and solidly defeated giant powers and big money in his 50+ years in business. He didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Unfortunately, a couple of dozen people got inconvenienced in this transition. They'll survive. No one was injured or killed as they might have been if they had gotten caught somewhere in one of America's "peaceful" Liberal protests. Let's get over it.

Darn straight. Better 100 people are inconvenienced then even one innocent civilian die from a terrorist attack.

 

[JosephsDreams]

In a way business is sometimes like war. This is the benefits of having a guy like Trump in the white house.

 

[Sirk]

it was not the previous administration's policy to blanket ban people ban national origin.

nor to apply the ban to people who have already been carefully vetted, without any consideration for vetting, but solely with respect to national origin.

but you're deflecting.

the point i made was that if the rationale is to protect from terrorist threats, he did not ban anyone from any country which has actually carried out a fatal terrorist attack here in decades. so i don't believe that was his rationale. all the banned nations are predominantly Muslim, so it seems reasonable to conclude that this is a ban based on religion - an interpretation that is very well established by his own verbatim remarks during his campaign. but he did not ban all Muslim nationals, nor even the nations that are known to be associated with ISIL -- Egypt and Saudi Arabia are not on the list, for example.

here's what we know:

all the 7 nations are Muslim
not all the Muslim nations are on the list
none of the Muslim nations whose citizens have actually perpetrated fatal terrorist attacks on the US in the last two decades are on the list
no Muslim nation that mr. Trump personally profits from private business interests is on the list

so what's the rationale?
that's what i'd like to work out.

sorry man. The 7 countries that were banned were decided by the previous administration. No way to wiggle out of that one.

 

[Chesediel]

sorry man. The 7 countries that were banned were decided by the previous administration. No way to wiggle out of that one.

Heheheheh, I have to ask Sirk.....are you actually complimenting former President Obama? Ne'er thought I'd see the day, but good for you. Now that he's gone I guess he weren't all that bad after all.

 

[posthuman]

Darn straight. Better 100 people are inconvenienced then even one innocent civilian die from a terrorist attack.

so again, why isn't a single country on the list that a terrorist who has attacked America in the last 20 years came from?

this looks "token" or hastily conceived and/or edited, from that viewpoint.

there's the possibility however, that by position of the office, he now has information that we don't which led to this narrow list -- that is, if he attends the briefings lol. information that keeps other countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia off the list, either in the first place under the previous administrations 'hightened watch list' of countries or information since that keeps them off of it.

the comment about Saudis not being held to any account for their actions so long as we remain addicted to their oil tap is very salient. what else is to be expected in that regard, especially with mr. Trump appointing Exxon's CEO to secretary of state? but sadly with that appointment, i think we can't be looking forward to any serious move towards developing renewable resources in order to ween ourselves off of the Arabian national drug over the next four years -- which is what i would think would be the wise thing to do, and in part why last year i had said that if we have to have an inexperienced billionaire running the country, i'd prefer Elon Musk.

we'll see. having an oil magnate in such a powerful political position might bring fuel prices down in the short term, ad at least Tillerson has divested himself, taking a retirement package.

 

[Sirk]

so again, why isn't a single country on the list that a terrorist who has attacked America in the last 20 years came from?

this looks "token" or hastily conceived and/or edited, from that viewpoint.

there's the possibility however, that by position of the office, he now has information that we don't which led to this narrow list -- that is, if he attends the briefings lol. information that keeps other countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia off the list, either in the first place under the previous administrations 'hightened watch list' of countries or information since that keeps them off of it.

the comment about Saudis not being held to any account for their actions so long as we remain addicted to their oil tap is very salient. what else is to be expected in that regard, especially with mr. Trump appointing Exxon's CEO to secretary of state? but sadly with that appointment, i think we can't be looking forward to any serious move towards developing renewable resources in order to ween ourselves off of the Arabian national drug over the next four years -- which is what i would think would be the wise thing to do, and in part why last year i had said that if we have to have an inexperienced billionaire running the country, i'd prefer Elon Musk.

we'll see. having an oil magnate in such a powerful political position might bring fuel prices down in the short term, ad at least Tillerson has divested himself, taking a retirement package.

sounds like Saudi and Egypt will likely be added to the list.

 

[Sirk]

Heheheheh, I have to ask Sirk.....are you actually complimenting former President Obama? Ne'er thought I'd see the day, but good for you. Now that he's gone I guess he weren't all that bad after all.

I kinda wondered the same thing! Shocking! My cynical mind tells me that he was giving himself plausible deniability....him and that Jeh dude from DHS.

 

[posthuman]

sorry man. The 7 countries that were banned were decided by the previous administration. No way to wiggle out of that one.

so the rationale is, there is no rationale of his own, just copy the previous administration, only do so in a why that casts doubt in the competence of our intelligence agencies ability to vett, without questioning their ability to pinpoint a list of high-risk immigrant pools?

 

[Sirk]

so the rationale is, there is no rationale of his own, just copy the previous administration, only do so in a why that casts doubt in the competence of our intelligence agencies ability to vett, without questioning its ability to pinpoint a list of high-risk immigrant pools?

nope...he's just implementing the right policy and making the left look like morons at the same time. He's smart like that.

 

[Chesediel]

I kinda wondered the same thing! Shocking! My cynical mind tells me that he was giving himself plausible deniability....him and that Jeh dude from DHS.

It's all fine by me. I don't know why he'd wanna deny it though. Heh typical Obama always touting his bad ideas but afraid to take a lil credit for his few good ones. I suppose Trump was right and Obama is okay.