Genesis and the Three Heavens

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I recken so!!!!!... the KJV 1611 version is around 97-99% percent accurate in accordance with the Textus Receptus for the NT and of course the Torah, and original scrolls plus the translations of the Septuagint LXX. Can you say that for any other Bible out there....I think not...

Let me say this,,,, It is evident that you are among some of those that well.........are looking for a way around the Bible and its teachings. For what reason, I do not know, nor do I care? What I do know, is that the Bible KJV 1611 is God's WORD as HE spoke, wrote or inspired the 40+ authors throughout the last 3000 years. It, the Bible has survived Satan's attempt to remove it from the earth. Like Satan's failed attempts to kill Jesus Christ, he could not keep God's Word from the People WHO WOULD HEAR IT and BELIEVE IT! (LIKE ME).

There are a number of people on this forum, who try to bring the light of to Jesus Christ to people that are obviously lost. These people believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, they believe in the Word of GOD, they believe in Jesus Christ and they believe that the last book in the Bible (Revelation) holds the narrative of what will happen in the near future of mankind. They believe in the marriage of the Bride to Jesus Christ, they believe in the Bema Seat Judgements, they believe in the 1000 years of Jesus Christ where He will rule with an Iron rod, they believe in the re-creation of another earth with a heavenly Jerusalem and the God's temple at its center.

SIR, it appears to me that you are not one of these people according to your writings. I pray that you listen to some of the people I mentioned above and find your way to Jesus Christ before it is too late. The End-times are upon us.
Your statement shows me your not happy with what I said, that's ok but like I said in my post I do like the KJV I REPEAT I said I like the KJV. did you read that part NO you didn't this is why you made up some false statement against me to accuse me of trying to find away around the bible and its teaching. your whole post you made is a slander attempt at beating me over the head with a stick.
 
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I appreciate the video ET, but after watching it I don't feel like the author truly debunked anything.

His main argument was "where did the mass come from"?

Seems like a Straw Man.

Why should the Earth gain mass in order to expand?

Lot's of things expand without gaining mass.

It happens all the time...



I guess run with it, you have right to believe in a dough rising earth. I'm not one of those.
 
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The claim that the Bible is inerrant, and in particular that the manuscript tradition used by the King James translators was divinely preserved so as to avoid error, is implausible for a number of reasons. But there is one simple fact that is particularly relevant:
There have been Bibles which contained typos.
Of course, anyone who has studied the manuscript history of the Bible’s transmission will know that there have been copying errors.

But that involves making mistakes when copying by hand. I am talking here about typos in the strict sense: errors in the typography, in the printing process. There have been many, and that is no surprise unless one implausibly insists that people involved in writing, copying, and printing the Bible were somehow rendered foolproof. Even printings of the King James Version have had errors – too bad for the KJV-only crowd.

Josh Mann shared a number of examples a while back, after a Washington Post article appeared which drew examples from a famous article by Bruce Metzger. Peter Head also mentioned it. Here are the major examples given in the WP article:
In the Geneva translation of the Bible, John 6:67 is supposed to say: “Then Jesus said to the twelve, will ye also go away?” But in some copies, printed in 1611, it says this instead: “Then Judas said to the twelve, will ye also go away?”

…The Folger Shakespeare Library has a King James Bible with the same error in Matthew 26:36. In that case, the printers covered the mistake by pasting a little piece of paper over “Judas.” This edition, with this mistake, is often called the “Judas Bible.”

…There’s the “Wicked Bible,” a 1631 London King James printing in which Exodus 20:14 reads: “Thou Shalt commit Adultery.” (There’s a pretty crucial “not” missing there.) “In that case the printers were fined and ordered to destroy the copies!” according to Fraas. Some copies survived, thankfully.

A 1612 edition of the King James, fittingly, reads: “Printers have persecuted me without cause.” That line, from Psalm 119:161, should say “princes,” not “printers.”

There’s a 1682 edition of the King James that was just an unholy mess. In Deuteronomy 24:3, it said “if the latter husband ate her” instead of “hate.” It read “kings” instead of “keepers” in Esther 6:2. And Jeremiah 13:27 reads “adversaries” instead of “adulteries.”

There’s more: Jeremiah 16:6 substitutes “glad” for “bald,” so the line reads: “Both the great and the small shall die in this land: they shall not be buried, neither shall men lament for them, nor cut themselves, nor make themselves glad for them.”
Jeremiah 18:21 reads “swine” instead of “famine,” and — because why not at this point? — Ezekiel 18:25 says “is equal” instead of “is not equal.” Oh well.

A 1795 London-issued Bible reads “Let the children first be killed” (instead of “first be filled”) in Mark 7.27.
The “Murderers Bible” (1801) has “murderers” instead of “murmurs” (Jude 10).
And the “Wife-Hater Bible” of 1810 replaces “life” with “wife” in Luke 14:26 and reads: “If any…hate not his own wife also.”

…A 1950 Old Testament printed by the Episcopal Committee of the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine claims that the skunk, and not the skink (a type of lizard), is an animal that swarms upon the ground in Leviticus 11:30.

And a 1966 Jerusalem Bible says “Pay for peace” instead of “pray for peace.”
 
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I guess run with it, you have right to believe in a dough rising earth. I'm not one of those.
Have you ever run across articles, theories or info pertaining to the space between particles expanding?

In other words, is there any evidence for Atoms themselves to be expanding?

This is something I wonder about.

If so, it would have to be by an almost immeasurable amount I would think.

They say the 'raisins' don't expand, but are we really that sure?

[video=youtube;th_9ZR2I0_w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th_9ZR2I0_w[/video]
 
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Have you ever run across articles, theories or info pertaining to the space between particles expanding?

In other words, is there any evidence for Atoms themselves to be expanding?

This is something I wonder about.

If so, it would have to be by an almost immeasurable amount I would think.

They say the 'raisins' don't expand, but are we really that sure?

[video=youtube;th_9ZR2I0_w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th_9ZR2I0_w[/video]
Well one thing that video isn't showing is that objects in space are moving out from its orgin thus this is what is called expanding its not the ground beneath that is expanding nor the space bubble in which all the galaxies etc reside are in. outside of the universe bubble there's no matter. So there's no resistance in objects moving farther out. the solid ground planets the matter was created to be a certain size, yes I do agree when the earth was being formed it wasn't at the size it is now but once God was finished forming it that size remains.

stars expand because of nuclear reaction which creates more byproducts which exspand the star, some gas planets expand by increases in those gases. The sun will one day be near its end will become a red giant then it runs out of fuel it will supernova producing special elements like gold and other elements.

Gold is not produced in earth science can't even make gold in a lab why because only the great power of a star can do that. The earths core is mostly made up of Iron and other elements there is no nuclear reaction taking place within the earth just boiling hot lava and this doesn't produce more lava when pressures build up to much its volcano time and other ways to release energy is daily lightning. Yes this lava can produce land forms that rise from the ocean floor. From the energy flowing from the north to south poles the positive and negative ends of earth, Like a battery.
 
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Once the earth core was a lot of hot lava big ball of lava, but after bubbling up from within this stuff cools produces a surface as more lava flows the thicker the mantle gets. Basically the core kind of shrinks while the mantle grows in size thus nothing is really changed in earths size it is just moved about to different levels of crust. way in the future if the sun doesn't shallow up the earth first the earths core will cool and be a small solid iron rock no where near its size when it begin but the planet will no longer be able sustain life.
 

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Gold is not produced in earth science can't even make gold in a lab why because only the great power of a star can do that.

sure and we can make gold in a lab. just put bismuth at the end of a particle accelerator and throw carbon and neon at it.

it's ridiculously not cost-efficient though. but it's been done.
 

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Have you ever run across articles, theories or info pertaining to the space between particles expanding?

In other words, is there any evidence for Atoms themselves to be expanding?

This is something I wonder about.
no, individual atoms don't expand. they are held together by atomic forces, not by some kind of volumetric variable related to 'space'
groups of atoms - like molecules and your body and planets - are bound together similarly by gravity and other forces, which aren't changed by the stretching out of space.

here's an interesting discussion about that question on stackexchange --
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/2110/why-does-space-expansion-not-expand-matter

 
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Alright you guys, I have another incredible Revelation to share with you alls.

Are you ready to roll your eyes in astonishment?

Yawn with fear and trembling?

Then check this out...

The Mystery of the Cheribum/Seraphim Wing Counts Revealed!!!

Cherubim with *ONE* pair of wings represent Heaven #1 (Microcosm)

Cherubim with *TWO* pairs of wings represent Heaven #2 (Macrocosm)

Seraphim with *THREE* pairs of wings represent Heaven #3 (Multiverse)


Note that the Multiverse Seraphim have to cover their eyes, lest they collapse the Wave Function by observing...

Isaiah 6:2
"Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly"


In other words...

Seraphim exist in Wave Form, while Cherubim exist in Particle Form.

 
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BTW...

The word Seraphim is often used to describe Fiery Flying Serpents...



 

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I'm having trouble understanding what you view as the Firmament.

Do you believe the Firmament is Earth's Atmosphere?

Or do you believe the Firmament is Outer Space?

It is neither...It is what I said it was,,,Is what the bible says it is. Nothing less and nothing more.
 

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Once the earth core was a lot of hot lava big ball of lava, but after bubbling up from within this stuff cools produces a surface as more lava flows the thicker the mantle gets. Basically the core kind of shrinks while the mantle grows in size thus nothing is really changed in earths size it is just moved about to different levels of crust. way in the future if the sun doesn't shallow up the earth first the earths core will cool and be a small solid iron rock no where near its size when it begin but the planet will no longer be able sustain life.



OOPS.....can you tell me HOW we know the earth's core is a "big ball of Lava" when the deepest hole that has ever be dug was only 8 miles deep.

Here again you are listening to Scientist and letting them control you. Yet, Do you read and Listen to the Word of GOD?
 

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OOPS.....can you tell me HOW we know the earth's core is a "big ball of Lava" when the deepest hole that has ever be dug was only 8 miles deep.

Here again you are listening to Scientist and letting them control you. Yet, Do you read and Listen to the Word of GOD?

what does the Bible say about the earth's core?

how can you know that i am a human being without ever having stood face to face and met me in person?
you make inferences based on what you observe by my actions on this website.

what we ((collectively, as mankind)) know about the earth's core, we know by inferences drawn from the mass of the earth, which is inferred by known laws of gravity and its observed action on bodies near the surface and on bodies which orbit it, by the observed strength of the earth's magnetic field, by the chemical makeup of lava flows, and by analysis and observation of the transmission of seismic waves through the earth. from these things we deduce statistical measures of density, phase and probable distribution of the elements in the core - all of which point to an hot, dense, liquid iron-nickel shell around a solid core.
that's something you can easily search out for yourself.

iirc you think the earth is a frisbee, that there is no such thing as planets or outer space, but that we are not just the center of the universe but the entire universe -- that the entirety of creation amounts to a a diorama in a shoebox, as though it is God's 4[SUP]th[/SUP] grade science fair project, designed to appear to be a universe, but not actually being a universe.

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so in your world, where does magma come from? what's your "
Biblical alternative" to understanding how volcanoes, earthquakes, the earth's magnetic field etc. come from? baking soda & vinegar?

do you think it's wrong to come to knowledge about the universe by observing it?
how do you get that opinion from the Bible?
please point it out for me.
 
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Did you know that there was an earth age before this one? That the earth is really millions of years old? There was a time that we all lived on this earth in our spiritual bodies and everyone was happy. The Bible is very clear on this Three Earth and Three Heaven Ages. Same Earth Same Heaven. Just the ages. Genesis 1:1-2 Jeremiah 4:18 and Peter 3 all support this.
 
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OOPS.....can you tell me HOW we know the earth's core is a "big ball of Lava" when the deepest hole that has ever be dug was only 8 miles deep.

Here again you are listening to Scientist and letting them control you. Yet, Do you read and Listen to the Word of GOD?
Does not Luke 16, by the mouth of the one who created the earth say that there is a massive gulf in the center of the earth that separates hell from what was Abraham's bosom (paradise)??
 

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Does not Luke 16, by the mouth of the one who created the earth say that there is a massive gulf in the center of the earth that separates hell from what was Abraham's bosom (paradise)??
where does it say hades/sheol is at the center of the earth?

at what point is He talking about physical, earthly geography and not spiritual realms?

i think the closest you can come to drawing that out of scripture is in Numbers 16, where the earth opened up and swallowed those opposing Moses, and scripture says it took them 'down to sheol' -- but drawing the conclusion of hell literally being a geographic location in the center of the earth ((or even that hell = sheol)) from this is tenuous; death in the OT is very frequently figuratively associated with 'going down' to the earth, easily seen as a figurative expression of the inanimate corpse collapsing under gravity, being buried or otherwise entombed, and returning to dust -- "down" being the place where dust is found, beneath your feet.

this book, the scripture, is not a physics textbook. its purpose is not to teach cosmology or agronomy or math. it is God revealing Himself to man - it is a book of theology. it doesn't contain error, but it is not written in order to teach us meteorology or geology or calculus any more than Psalm 23 is a treatise on veterinary medicine.
 
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where does it say hades/sheol is at the center of the earth?

at what point is He talking about physical, earthly geography and not spiritual realms?

i think the closest you can come to drawing that out of scripture is in Numbers 16, where the earth opened up and swallowed those opposing Moses, and scripture says it took them 'down to sheol' -- but drawing the conclusion of hell literally being a geographic location in the center of the earth ((or even that hell = sheol)) from this is tenuous; death in the OT is very frequently figuratively associated with 'going down' to the earth, easily seen as a figurative expression of the inanimate corpse collapsing under gravity, being buried or otherwise entombed, and returning to dust -- "down" being the place where dust is found, beneath your feet.

this book, the scripture, is not a physics textbook. its purpose is not to teach cosmology or agronomy or math. it is God revealing Himself to man - it is a book of theology. it doesn't contain error, but it is not written in order to teach us meteorology or geology or calculus any more than Psalm 23 is a treatise on veterinary medicine.
Luke 16..the rich man died and lift up his eyes IN HELL and LOOKED across the great gulf to Abrahams BOSOM where Lazarus was being comforted....

It is not wrong or error to deduce facts based upon numerous scriptures....IE...JESUS going to the heart of the earth and leading captivity OUT (the saved in Christ) if he went there and led them out I can rightfully deduce that HELL is currently located there....revelation the SMOKING pit is opened and the LOCUSTS come out of the pit onto the EARTH....and on and on and on and on....

Numerous sets of verses point to HELL being the center of the earth and the STORY of JESUS in LUKE is not a parable or some mysterious
illusion.......

HELL move to meet thee at they coming.......etc.....

EVEN the verse you cite proves the point they went down into the PIT ALIVE<--another reference to hell

Your attitude surprises me to be honest....numerous verses allude to hells location....
 
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Luke 16..the rich man died and lift up his eyes IN HELL and LOOKED across the great gulf to Abrahams BOSOM where Lazarus was being comforted....

so is Abraham's bosom in the earth's crust, separated by a big gap from sheol, at the center?

picture the geometry. there has to be a line-of-sight, and a chasm, if this is talking about geography. Elijah however was taken up -- not down, into the interior of the earth, but not quite to the center -- so how are these two "places," one "above" and one "below," connected so that the rich man in "the grave" could look up and see Lazarus "far away" ?
should i be taking more seriously the claims of a giant hole in Antarctica that leads to the center of the planet? i.e. is it some kind of window into hell, so that those in it can see up to the heavens?

.. or maybe we're not talking about physical cartography. in which case there aren't any geometric difficulties.
 

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what does the Bible say about the earth's core?

how can you know that i am a human being without ever having stood face to face and met me in person?
you make inferences based on what you observe by my actions on this website.

what we ((collectively, as mankind)) know about the earth's core, we know by inferences drawn from the mass of the earth, which is inferred by known laws of gravity and its observed action on bodies near the surface and on bodies which orbit it, by the observed strength of the earth's magnetic field, by the chemical makeup of lava flows, and by analysis and observation of the transmission of seismic waves through the earth. from these things we deduce statistical measures of density, phase and probable distribution of the elements in the core - all of which point to an hot, dense, liquid iron-nickel shell around a solid core.
that's something you can easily search out for yourself.

iirc you think the earth is a frisbee, that there is no such thing as planets or outer space, but that we are not just the center of the universe but the entire universe -- that the entirety of creation amounts to a a diorama in a shoebox, as though it is God's 4[SUP]th[/SUP] grade science fair project, designed to appear to be a universe, but not actually being a universe.

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so in your world, where does magma come from? what's your "
Biblical alternative" to understanding how volcanoes, earthquakes, the earth's magnetic field etc. come from? baking soda & vinegar?

do you think it's wrong to come to knowledge about the universe by observing it?
how do you get that opinion from the Bible?
please point it out for me.

posthuman... I was just pointing out the obvious.

The center of the earth is what 12,500 miles under the surface and we have only dug down 8 miles. Yet, our scientist tell us what is down there. How do they KNOW?????

The Universe keeps changing so we are told...Here lately, there is a Ghost (hidden) sun that is a sister to our own sun...Is there any limit to the gullibility of average person.

Like Globle warming which they tell us now that they had mad a mistake and it is in Global cooling now.

What about the Moon. Did we ever get there???????My grandfather at that time told me, it never happened. I like most of you did not believe him and was a student thus a slave to our scientist for much of my life.

Now don't get me wrong, there are many sciences that benefit man; Biological, Chemical, Geology, Mathamatics,physics especially Quantum Physics just to name a few. They all help mankind make his life easier and more prosperous when compared to the ages before.

However, when it comes to NASA and Astronomy; we, my friend(s) are being lead down a primrose path to what they say our future will be like. It just so happens it is exactly opposite of what the Bible and God teaches.

To answer at least one question of yours, I do not know where Lava comes from. I know what it is, just don't know how far down it is or where it became Lava and How? It is most certainly beneath the plates of earth yet we have not even dug that far yet. so we really do not know.

Why is it so hard to say, I don't Know!.........

Now answer a question for me..... Have you seen personally the planets we are told exist...No Not Pictures....What about the center of the earth......No not theories.......????????

The Bible is not a Theory,,,It is a Fact. Do you KNOW where Lava comes from Personally of course?


 
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so is Abraham's bosom in the earth's crust, separated by a big gap from sheol, at the center?

picture the geometry. there has to be a line-of-sight, and a chasm, if this is talking about geography. Elijah however was taken up -- not down, into the interior of the earth, but not quite to the center -- so how are these two "places," one "above" and one "below," connected so that the rich man in "the grave" could look up and see Lazarus "far away" ?
should i be taking more seriously the claims of a giant hole in Antarctica that leads to the center of the planet? i.e. is it some kind of window into hell, so that those in it can see up to the heavens?

.. or maybe we're not talking about physical cartography. in which case there aren't any geometric difficulties.
Elijah did not die....neither did Enoch both were translated