Don't ever let someone tell you God won't heal you.

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Is that true? Because Jesus did heal right away.

He healed me right away once. So right away, I didn't even get the expected reaction. I'm allergic to bees. The first time I found this out, I stepped on one. My foot and leg swelled so much, it wouldn't even let me walk on it. (I would think it would, but it would hurt to do so, but I didn't even get that. For some reason, I couldn't even hobble on it.) Three weeks before I could walk again.

So the next time, I was stung in the hand, I did my usual calm and collected thing -- freaked completely -- and my soon-to-be husband calmed me enough to lay hands and pray for it. Nothing happened. Not even that looks-like-a-mosquito-bite thing people who aren't allergic to bees get. Instant healing.

The chronic UTI thing took longer, but mostly because we simply didn't think to pray about it since antibiotics worked. But when it hit, yet again, one night, hubby did lay hands and pray. Instant healing yet again. (I feel so dumb for forgetting to ask for two years. lol)

Gallstones? Nothing. God didn't heal me of the gallstones, and after the operation, when I was pulled off the operating table, they pinched a nerve in my back that directly relates to pain around my waist. Prayed for that one for years. (Doctors wouldn't tell me it was back damage, so I couldn't sue the surgeon, until the statute of limitations was over for a long time. THEN they suddenly knew what was wrong with me.)

I figure God's not healing me of this one, since it has gotten worse, and now it's all of my spine. As often as I've prayed for it, I've gotten NO clearly by now.

Will I be healed? Nope. Instead I get new, incorruptible body later on.

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South_FLA said:

You're really not leaving any room for Joni Eareckson Tada, are you?

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blue_ladybug said:

Actually, it takes between 5-10 mustard seeds to get all the way up to the size of a piece of sand.

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South_FLA said:

What you call "doubt," we call "experience."

I'd say the majority of people on this site are on this site because they've got that kind of time. And we have that kind of time, because most of us aren't healed of something for whatever reason God has for us not to be healed. And yet, most of us can also say that God has and can heal us.

Meanwhile, you're stuck waiting for your healing before you resume your life again.

That's not on us or God.

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South_FLA said:

If Jesus healed everyone, Luke would have said so. Luke was a physician. The purpose for his gospel was to proclaim God's healing practices. He was a physician, so he really got into who Jesus healed.

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South_FLA said:

We were promised healing and got it. We have been healed from the sin nature by his stripes.

To spend your life hiding behind your doors until God heals you does NOT work, unless your goal is to remain a recluse. Considering that's not God's goal for you, don't count that working for you but for so long. Even Jonah got shade when he was pouting, but when God had enough of Jonah's pouting, he killed the shade.

I really do get you're trying to convince yourself God will do a miracle for you. He may. He might not. Either way he expects you to follow him actively, not try to convince everyone else you are right to deserve your healing.

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South_FLA said:

Saved is not "healed." If it were, there would be no need to have two different words.

BenFTW · Mar 20, 2017

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Lets make sure we stay in context and realize thats exactly what it means. Its speaking of praying for someone who is sick, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord and that the prayer of faith (for the sick person's sickness) "shall save the sick." Sounds to me like answered prayer.

[h=1]James 5:14-15 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.[/FONT]

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Grace777x70 said:

Many times we have faith in what "we are doing". This is not the same as having faith in the Healer Himself.

We can have faith in our "work of confession" which again is not real faith based on the Healer Himself. Or if we can get so many others to pray - then we can get healing as if we need to persuade the Lord to heal us by the more we get to pray - the more He will do it.

One person believes that if they "confess" it enough times - this will cause it to manifest but this is not biblical faith in Christ. It is a belief system based on "themselves and what they do."

They have their faith in their own works of confessing things instead of the grace that is in Christ Himself and in what He has already done. Others whose faith is in what Christ has done are confessing that Jesus is their Healer.

Outwardly both people look as if they are confessing the same thing but their inner motives and belief system are different. One brings the manifestation of the grace of Christ in our lives - the other one doesn't.

An example is the woman with the issue of blood. The scripture says "When she had heard of Jesus - she was saying to herself - If I can touch the helm of His garment - I will be made whole". Jesus had nothing to do with her healing - she drew healing life out of Jesus and He wasn't even aware of it until she had received it. Her faith which was completely based on Him alone activated the truth that was in Him.

So, when we have just the right kind of faith, God owes us one?

Yeah. Really. Exactly what I hate about WoF.

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BenFTW said:

Lets make sure we stay in context and realize thats exactly what it means. Its speaking of praying for someone who is sick, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord and that the prayer of faith (for the sick person's sickness) "shall save the sick." Sounds to me like answered prayer.

James 5:14-15 King James Version (KJV)

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Of course it does to you, because you promote WoF.

BenFTW · Mar 20, 2017

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That bit about "by His stripes you have been healed" in reference to salvation and not healing is found in Isaiah 53, but did you know within that same passage it actually does reference physical healing? It is confirmed in Matthew. Check it out...

Isaiah 53:4-5 King James Version (KJV)

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Now, check out the reference to this passage in Matthew within context. The context is speaking of physical healing, spoken by Isaiah.

Matthew 8:16-17King James Version (KJV)

16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Point being, Isaiah 53 does speak of Jesus and physical healing. Proven by Matthew 8:16-17.

BenFTW · Mar 20, 2017

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WoF? Words of the Father?

Of course I promote His word.

You can take your digs at me, but what I promote is the truth of His word. His word speaks of faith, hope, belief, and expectation. All of these are important in our walk. Scripture even tells us to walk as we have received Christ. That is, by faith.

That passage doesn't just mean that to me, that is what the passage is saying plainly.

blue_ladybug · Mar 20, 2017

I have said this before, in regards to getting anointed for healing. Been there, had that done, didn't work..So it does NOT work for EVERY person..

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Tinkerbell725 · Mar 20, 2017

Just a thought. Could it be that God does not heal sometimes because He is protecting His sheep from hurting himself if He becomes healthier? Could it be that God saw in a future time that His sheep will become a black sheep and will lose Him forever and He is scared of that scenario. I believe that God wants the best for His children. Suffering may not look like the best situation but it is the time when we get closer to God and His power is made perfect. What could be other reasons why God will not heal aside from not having faith? Because it is time for the believer to depart from this world? God probably has other reasons.

Tinkerbell725 · Mar 20, 2017

Romans 9:15, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

blue_ladybug · Mar 20, 2017

Kind of sounds like He picks and chooses who He wants to heal, and who He doesn't..

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Tinkerbell725 · Mar 20, 2017

Psalm 115:3, “Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases”

Isaiah 46:9–10, “I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying,” — and here it comes — “‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose.’”

But in Jeremiah 29:11-13 and Romans 8:28 God promised that His plans are for our own good so we can trust in His sovereign grace and boundless mercy.

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BenFTW said:

The question is not whether or not God can heal you, but will He. Of course we know God is capable of healing any disease for He made up all the matter that is. He knows it inside and out, He speaks and it is so. All things are possible with God. All things. The question you need to ask is, "Will God heal me?"

This question is posed to understand God's will, and with that will often times there can be timing and purpose. When one asks this question its not to see if He can, but whether or not He will do so. Again, His capabilities are not in question, but His willingness to heal is.

Now, this point may bother some people. It may even ruffle some feathers, but read it carefully. This isn't blaming the sick person for a lack of faith. It is simply making a distinction between hope and faith. A person can pray for healing asking God to heal them, and in this prayer there is hope. Its a hope that is relying upon God's present mercy as opposed to His established will.

What I mean is that some Christians seek after healing (hoping for it), as opposed to commanding it (in the name of Jesus). They are asking and seeking for something that is already provided through Jesus Christ. The thing is, a person needs to stand up, step out in faith, and command healing. This isn't so much a critique of the sick, as it is the minister. A person must understand God's will in order to have faith for its attainment.

So, if a person doesn't believe it is God's will to heal them they then can only hope God heals them as opposed to having faith He will. Often times I read people's comments on the threads here (over time) and its like a double minded man. One moment they say they have faith, and in the next they say that God won't ever heal them in this life. So then, is their faith God will heal them at death? Considering Jesus words, about your faith doing it unto you, thats a little scary, haha.

What if instead of thinking God can heal you, you think it is God's will to heal you now? Then you can have faith, because you expect the healing. You do not only hope to be healed, and believe in His capabilities but you also expect God to heal you because He has revealed in His word that that is His very will (through Jesus Christ).

The point being, where people often claim to have faith it is not faith. It is hope. Hope and faith while often accompanying one another, are not synonymous. I can hope God heals me or I can have faith that He will. There is a difference. Hope, while it may get results, does not have the same results as faith. Faith, expectation, and belief these things lead to results. Even so, God's mercy if we lack faith.

All in all, God is faithful. Learn His will, then believe.

Hi Ben,

I'd like for you to tell Paul that who was told no. And tell Timothy that as well who wasn't healed of his frequent illnesses and his stomach problems.

And there was also a guy who was doing missionary work - can't remember his name, but Paul left him off at home because he was sick. Once he was well he rejoined Paul.

Tinkerbell725 · Mar 20, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

Yeah God has favorites even in the old times. But envy is sin so we must not even think about being envious of others. And we must not question God because He is God. Job suffered a lot but I think He is one of God's favorites.

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BenFTW said:

Speaking what you were taught isn't quite the same thing as speaking truth.

Don't ever let someone tell you God won't heal you.

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