Mental illness, demons and the BIBLE

[Angela53510]

There are times when I lost faith in some doctors. There are those who don't really care and are only after money. But some doctors are really good. Some medicines do more harm than good like chemo drugs, drugs for kidney stones, meds for mental illness. etc. They just suppress symptoms or could cause further damage and don't deal with the root cause of the illness.

The human body is self healing. Fasting prevents and cures a lot of illnesses. Even animals heal themselves by fasting. Fasting denies the flesh and empowers the soul and spirit. Fasting is like giving the body a rest and chance to rebuild itself. Illness is sometimes caused by stress or the imbalance and lack of harmony in our body, soul and spirit. Fasting with exercise bring harmony to body, soul and spirit, thus produce healing.

We don't always need synthetic medicines. They are just for emergency cases because we have a healer within.

Have you ever been sick a day in your life, to come up with this nonsense? I have friends and family who are alive today because they took chemo. I had a Word Faith friend who died because she claimed she was healed, and refused chemo. And she died only 10 months after her surgery and cancer diagnosis. I know literally hundreds of people who would be chained to walls in Bedlam, if they weren't on pysch meds. Instead, many of them work, take care of their families and are active in their churches.

I take chemo for Rheumatoid Arthritis. (Lesser doses than for cancer). Without it, I am bedridden. The same friend who died from cancer because she refused chemo, put me down, and told me God would heal me, if I just had enough faith. Well, I had enough faith, because God had a totally different path for me. I minister to the hurting and broken, something I could not do, had I not been through such deep and painful valleys. My RA is so bad, that when my meds failed two years ago, I could not get out of bed, or feed myself. It has been a long road to recovery, always knowing that my meds could fail again at any time. Yet knowing God is totally in control, and I am the Lord's whether I live or whether I die.

"If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord." Romans 14:8

I do believe God created us to be self healing and live forever. But that all went by the wayside, when Adam and Eve sinned, and were thrown out of the garden. We live in a fallen world! No ifs, ands or buts! One day, I will be totally healed, when I see Jesus face to face. I look forward to that day! But until then, there is much work to be done for the Kingdom of God.

This kind of post is condemnatory and judgmental at best. At worst, it drives people away from God. As for fasting and exercise, when my RA is at its worst, I fast because I cannot open my jaws to eat. I do not exercise, because not a joint in my body will move. Try and get away from this simplistic view of life, and actually meet people who love Jesus and are suffering. In fact, we are all suffering in one way or another! It's just that some of us are more honest than others!

 

[sevenseas]

Sevenseas, I have shared with you what I believe about healing in the atonement. What I believe is not up for debate. I'm simply sharing with you and others here about my faith. And giving the Bible references that encourage me along the way. I'm not looking for your approval. I simply wanted to share with you and others what Jesus has done for me and why I believe the way I do in the hopes of encouraging others who may be seeking healing.

Jesus has healed me in many areas mentally and physically. And it happened just as I said. In sharing my faith, I did not/do not judge you or anyone. I simply shared my faith. I do in fact believe Jesus heals all who come to Him. How that manifests in people's lives varies.

How each one of us reads the Bible and take truths from it is very individual. So when I take healing from the truths I see in the Bible., and get on CC and share about that healing..., it does not mean I am "judging" anyone who is not healed.

I've read a few people here say that by believing in healing by faith it some how is saying those who are not healed are at fault. (!!!!) What?????

I didn't say that nor do others who believe as I do. It is not for anyone to judge why others are not healed. I should think we as Christians would rejoice with those who are healed instead of finding fault with them for proclaiming in the healing power of Jesus.

So, if you and others here on this thread do not agree with me that is fine. Don't agree with me and go about your lives no one is judging you. I believe in healing and not in the way you gave an example of in believing the earth is flat and expecting it to be true by my faith. The object of my faith is not a flat earth.

Jesus has promised me many things and I've acted on those promises by faith and have seen Him fulfill those promises. And healing has been a part of that and will be a part of that for my life. It's not what I say, it's what His Word says. If you and others don't interpret the Bible verses to mean you get healed than don't.
But I do and will. And may we each be able to co exist; healed or not healed... free or not free., being in mental bondage or not being in mental bondage. May we each be waiting for His promises to be revealed and get along in the process.

you know, I don't know how Lynn has represented or misrepresented you. I don't care to get in the middle of it either.

However, it is pretty clear to me at this point that you are quite capable of misrepresentation yourself.

You have misrepresented what I have asked several times now which tends to put a little more weight to what you claim is a misrepresentation.

I am somewhat irritated at your continued emotional response, devoid of what I asked and your apparent intention to continue to do so

this:

If you and others don't interpret the Bible verses to mean you get healed than don't.

is really pretty ugly in my opinion

I think I have a right to be irritated with you at this point as you do a fine job of ignoring my questions and replying to me as if I were stupid

you have not addressed the fact that God heals with or without the death of His Son

that, is either blindness on your part or actual blindness. I don't know which

 

[sevenseas]

Jesus has promised me many things and I've acted on those promises by faith and have seen Him fulfill those promises.

ran out of time on my edit again, just with regards to the above Joanie

so everyone you pray for is healed and you never ever get sick either

and then you wonder why people try to show you where you have gone to far in what you say is part of the atonement

and you know, it is actually NOT fine if we don't agree with what you write

Mr Prince is erroneous in some of what he teaches. You have fallen for that error.

People try to point that out to you, but you will not receive it.

The Bible itself disagrees with Mr Prince, which is why we disagree with Mr Prince

I think you are doing a fine job at twisting what some of us are saying here and I actually do not think you are doing it on purpose. It's just part and parcel of the erroneous teaching you have accepted.

The object of my faith is not a flat earth.

do you think I am that stupid? are you being sarcastic? that was an example with an, apparently, sad attempt at a little humor

grabbing everything at face value like that, indicates you LOOK for perceived error in the posts of others

I don't expect you to understand

 

[sevenseas]

so do we try to understand why people are not healed when we believe God's will is to ALWAYS heal?

of course not!

we blame the person who says the Bible does not say God heals everyone

what a perfect little bubble

 

[Ariel82]

Woah take a step back ladies....

I took that to mean you can chose what you want to believe, not that you can chose to be healed or not.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think wrote it to offend you sevenseas.

What is your quetion you wanted answered...I will reread but I didn't see a question?

 

[Angela53510]

You make a great point that is overlooked by most people especially the people that teach the word of God.

Before Jesus they had no Bible therefore no guide book so those scriptures about unconditional forgiveness were for them not us,we've had the Bible,his advice,for thousands of years.

We aren't supposed to live as though we have no idea what decency is what kindness is what common sense is,thats what He teaches us with the Bible.

Any adult in this day and age not aware of how to be a decent person doesn't have that awareness because there parents didn't teach them and they probably belong in hell and any that are aware and do it with repentance in mind belong in hell also.

All repentance is to someone with the life experience to know right from wrong is a means of taking advantage of God.

Perhaps you need to stop spouting off about things that you know nothing about?

The Bible, the OT was available for all Jews, long before Jesus was on earth. The Old Testament is the revelation of Jesus Christ, just as the New Testament is.

In the Jewish culture, they memorized whole portions of the OT both in Hebrew and Greek. The reason for the Greek OT, or Septuagint, is because after Alexander "hellenized" the known world, and forced everyone to speak Greek, many lost their Hebrew. So a committee translated it into Greek 300 years before Christ was born. And the apostles and Jesus quoted from both, but mostly the Greek OT.

So, they did have guidelines, and many non-Jews became "God fearers" who believe in God, but could not become part of the community unless they were circumcised. The reason they became God fearers is because of the witness of the life of those who really followed God, especially compared to the wicked surrounding Greek and Roman cultures.

There is also still the knowledge that God has implanted in the hearts of people, of how to love and treat one another. (Read Romans 1)

Repentance is the starting point to a relationship with God. He calls, and we obey! As for those who claim to be Christians and seem sinful, I think there are two reasons.

1. They really aren't saved. They went through some motions like saying a sinner's prayer and don't really know God.
2. They are learning! No one is perfect in this life. We won't be perfect will we see Christ face to face.

"Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." 1 John 3:2

I was exceedingly wicked when I got saved. I truly was saved by God, and I repented of many sins I knew were wrong. I did not commit some of them again (like drinking alcohol, which was sinful for me!) and other things I had to repent and confess of over and over, till it was no longer part of my life. And other things, I had no clue about. I always use the example of my temper. My whole family had bad tempers. I thought it was normal. Then one day, about two years after I was saved, while reading Galatians 5, I found it on a sin list, as bad as my former drinking. That took 30 years of confessing and repenting, before I was truly free.

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality,impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal 5:19-21

So do not judge Christians, because God is in control of that! No one belongs in hell. But some people do not want to repent, sometimes even if they were raised in a truly Christian family. God knows the reasons, we do not.

As for you, no you are not saved because you left behind youthful lusts and passions. True repentance is not just about turning from sin, it is turning toward God. It is part of starting a love relationship with Jesus. I pray you will come to know Jesus as your Saviour, because from your posts, it appears that you do not know him.

 

[Ariel82]

I found it!

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Does it not indicate something missing in the equation for people to keep saying part of the atonement is healing, when Jesus healed BEFORE He died?.

The atonement healed the spiritual relationship between God and mankind.

Before the atonement Jesus healed their physical bodies, but did everyone who was physically healed believe Jesus was Messiah?

There is a story of 10 lepers being healed but only one came back to say thank you.

 

[sevenseas]

Woah take a step back ladies....

I took that to mean you can chose what you want to believe, not that you can chose to be healed or not.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think wrote it to offend you sevenseas.

What is your quetion you wanted answered...I will reread but I didn't see a question?

of course she did not write it to offend me and I say I know she is not being mean in my post

however, after pages of it, she had not even made a pinprick of an attempt to answer my sincere questions

so, you know, I would be lying if I said I was ok with that

I'll check my posts and get back with the question...same one I have asked several times now

sorry, but this illusion of healing and God heals everyone or wants to, has hurt so many, that it is a touchy subject

further, I have stated I do believe in healing, but not as Prince wants to tell us the Bible says, yet that is ignored

it's a matter of life and death for some. if you read Angela's post, she knows someone who died because they believed the lie

 

[blue_ladybug]

MANY more than one have died, I suspect, for believing the lie..

of course she did not write it to offend me and I say I know she is not being mean in my post

however, after pages of it, she had not even made a pinprick of an attempt to answer my sincere questions

so, you know, I would be lying if I said I was ok with that

I'll check my posts and get back with the question...same one I have asked several times now

sorry, but this illusion of healing and God heals everyone or wants to, has hurt so many, that it is a touchy subject

further, I have stated I do believe in healing, but not as Prince wants to tell us the Bible says, yet that is ignored

it's a matter of life and death for some. if you read Angela's post, she knows someone who died because they believed the lie

 

[sevenseas]

hey Ariel !

here : post 25 I touch on the subject of healing being available in the old testament as well

post 27 I gave a list of examples from the old testament

post 43 which is where I think you say you found it

post 51 I address Joanie's response that had nothing to do with my actual question

and so on


Does it not indicate something missing in the equation for people to keep saying part of the atonement is healing, when Jesus healed BEFORE He died?.

The atonement healed the spiritual relationship between God and mankind.

Before the atonement Jesus healed their physical bodies, but did everyone who was physically healed believe Jesus was Messiah?

There is a story of 10 lepers being healed but only one came back to say thank you.

thanks

I have said the atonement is for our spiritual healing. only the blood of Jesus forgives sin. I mentioned the sacrifices of the old testament system which were a stop gap measure and actual forgiveness is not achieved through the blood of animals

funny you mention the lepers (well not really funny) last night I thought of that example and how only 1 came back to say thank you and I thought of those who state that faith heals you and if you do not have enough you are not healed

so the logical question becomes, then what about the 9 ? if they could not even say thank you, what was the state of their faith? I say we simply see the mercy of God throughout both testaments and God heals throughout the Bible.

The blood of Christ is the only blood that washes away our sin guilt and restores our spirit to a relationship with God

it seems people have left off taking the Bible as a whole and now pick and choose the parts that appeal to them

that is not how it works

 

[Ariel82]

I don't think Tinkerbell or Joaniemarie believe folks aren't healed because they lack faith.

They just say God has blessed them by healing them and are just testifying that God still heals today.

 

[Ariel82]

Tinkerbell725
Default Re: Don't ever let someone tell you God won't heal you.

Just a thought. Could it be that God does not heal sometimes because He is protecting His sheep from hurting himself if He becomes healthier? Could it be that God saw in a future time that His sheep will become a black sheep and will lose Him forever and He is scared of that scenario. I believe that God wants the best for His children. Suffering may not look like the best situation but it is the time when we get closer to God and His power is made perfect. What could be other reasons why God will not heal aside from not having faith? Because it is time for the believer to depart from this world? God probably has other reasons.

http://christianchat.com/natural-he...tell-you-god-wont-heal-you-5.html#post3021515

If you want to debate, the OP who posted the above thread might oblige.

 

[sevenseas]

I don't think Tinkerbell or Joaniemarie believe folks aren't healed because they lack faith.

They just say God has blessed them by healing them and are just testifying that God still heals today.

well, I think it goes deeper than that

if that is so, then why disregard my saying I do believe God heals today ?

doesn't add up

if what you say is so, then I would say we, Joanie and I, believe the same, but reading her posts, she is going further and making healing a part of the atonement like salvation

it is not

my point is Jesus healed before He died, God healed many times in the old testament

salvation is not healing, unless you want to call it spiritual healing

really, Prince is teaching physical healing is part of the atonement

 

[blue_ladybug]

Yes, but the touchy part, which many here refuse to acknowlege is, God does NOT heal EVERY ONE today.. Many of us here will die with our illnesses. Anyone can spout "you gotta have more faith". In reality, getting healed has NOTHING to do with how much faith a person has. It has to do with whether God chooses to heal them or not, or leave them unhealed so they can be a better testament to him..

I don't think Tinkerbell or Joaniemarie believe folks aren't healed because they lack faith.

They just say God has blessed them by healing them and are just testifying that God still heals today.

 

[Ariel82]

Don't know if Joaniemarie believes that PHYSICAL healing is a part of atonement. She may be looking forward to the final Ressurection?

I just didn't get any red flags from her posts.

 

[Angela53510]

Tinkerbell725
Default Re: Don't ever let someone tell you God won't heal you.

Just a thought. Could it be that God does not heal sometimes because He is protecting His sheep from hurting himself if He becomes healthier? Could it be that God saw in a future time that His sheep will become a black sheep and will lose Him forever and He is scared of that scenario. I believe that God wants the best for His children. Suffering may not look like the best situation but it is the time when we get closer to God and His power is made perfect. What could be other reasons why God will not heal aside from not having faith? Because it is time for the believer to depart from this world? God probably has other reasons.

http://christianchat.com/natural-he...tell-you-god-wont-heal-you-5.html#post3021515

If you want to debate, the OP who posted the above thread might oblige.

This truly is my testimony! God did not heal me, because he needed me to minister to the hurting and broken. I was mentally and spiritually broken when I first got Rheumatoid Arthritis. And the biggest part of that was not the pain and deformities, but rather the Word Faith people who kept hammering me that being sick was my fault, because I didn't have enough faith. That made me wonder about everything. Not just me, but was the God I had been serving for 20 years real, if he didn't heal me?

God brought me through all that. And Nydia died of her cancer, Word Faith didn't help. And Ricky, the other Word Faith friend, (a more theologically mixed up person than any Christian I know, and yet a man who truly loves God!) did not die, because a non Word Faith Christian took him to the hospital where they operated on his enlarged prostrate. Fifteen years later, he is still serving God at age 86. Faith did not heal him, but God had another way.

Faith did not heal me, but God did set me back on my feet physically with medicine and spiritually through the Word and prayer


Every day I am able to minister to unsaved and saved people who are hurting, because I was not healed. I am able to minister to those who are hurting specifically because they believed the lies and the wrong Bible translations, saying that the atonement included healing, when it did not. I've written so many posts here going through the Scriptures, the REAL ones, not the NLT! If anyone wants me to repost the truth, I will go through my notes and find them to post.

We all die, if we were supposed to be healed, then every Christian should live forever, physically. That was the Garden of Eden, not this fallen world. Of course, one day, our bodies will be resurrected perfectly, when Jesus returns. That is the truth about this Word Faith healing nonsense! Some things we do have to be patient and wait for. Healing is one of them. Salvation is not!

 

[blue_ladybug]

Thank you for the rep, Angela..

 

[JIMBO43]

What do you know about it?

No glasses so will type more in the morning, but I know that God did not give us a spirit of fear but of love, power and a sound mind.

Many things have been diagnosed as mental illness when it might be spiritual illness and visa versa

I believe that the Holy Spirit can help us tear down spiritual strongholds that the enemy has used to wage war upon us.

That as we leArn wisdom and read more and unstnd God says to us in the Bible we can fight off spiritual enemies and learn discernment to know what thoughts are good and leading to God and which are lies and temptations to lead us away.

What are your thoughts?

Any sermon or book recommendations?

I believe that your not allowing for the fact that mental illness can happen to anyone... and so can demon possession..

 

[Ariel82]

Mental illness like physical illness can happen to anyone. I agree. Anyone can get in a car accident or suffer other physical afflictions.

However, demons can not posses someone who is sealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[JIMBO43]

Mental illness like physical illness can happen to anyone. I agree. Anyone can get in a car accident or suffer other physical afflictions.

However, demons can not posses someone who is sealed by the Holy Spirit.

They can still tempt you know..

And believers can abndon there faith for it is written many will abadon there faith in the last days..