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I was not trying to condemn anyone. It's just my opinion that sometimes I lost trust in some doctors because there are good and bad doctors who could make your sickness worse or cure one sickness but resulted to another problem which is worse than your previous sickness. Yes I have been very sick and was cured by taking meds for a long time and the side effects are real. I also know people who did not undergo chemo but lived for 20 years and no recurrence. In some cases chemo just extend life, delays the inevitable but does not cure. I also know someone who was advised to undergo dialysis but she did not and she is still alive today. I remember depleted said one time she was cured of her gall stones but it resulted to her back problem. I know someone who had an eye operation for cataracts. Instead of being well, she became blind because of medical mal practice. Who knows those people who are mentally ill became worse because of meds when they could actually just had a simple depression? I know someone who took meds for her depression but she stopped because she felt she is getting worse. She got better in time without the meds. There are things that doctors don't tell us. It's a conspiracy between them and pharmaceutical companies. I know we live or die for the Lord and our life is in His hands. We could be healed by synthetic meds and it is not purely evil but I know that satan's influence has proliferated in the medical world.
You are taking isolated examples and making them into the rule. Plus, you do not understand the scientific process. Basically, once a drug has animal tested as having some good qualities, and it is shown to be relatively safe, a huge number of double blind studies all over the western world start. There are two groups in each location study, a placebo group who appear to get the drug but don't. It is the control group. The other group actually gets the drug, and they report on all the side effects, and the efficacy of the drug! The internet never gives out all the side effects, but the doctor "bibles" do. I have one of these books, out of date a bit, I admit. I was able to eliminate certain drugs that were stressing my liver, so I could stay on an essential drug for my RA treatment.
Not everyone gets every side effect, and the drug that I took myself off was a simple antihistamine which was raising my liver enzymes. The allergist that put me on it, never base line tested my liver, and never tested it when I was on it, and told me to stay on it the rest of my life. So yes, medical malpractice, but I am clever, I figured it out. He also got me on allergy shots, which helped my very severe asthma. I used to be in the hospital daily for asthma treatment. The trouble is, those shots probably triggered my Rheumatoid Arthritis. They now know that people who have other autoimmune diseases in their families should not get allergy shots. Too bad for me they didn't know that nearly 25 years ago.
I often ask myself which I would prefer. Deadly asthma or crippling RA? I've never been able to answer, looking back and remembering how bad my asthma was. Well, it is what it is!
As for my friend who died of breast cancer, she was Filipino too! Same attitude as you, so it must be something she learned when she was growing up there. Not trying to generalize, but she brought a lot of people to the Lord who were Filipino friends and family. That was good! Then she started a Word Faith church, got the whole church praying when she was diagnosed with breast cancer, laying on of hands, and she died because she refused medical treatment. Destroyed the faith of a lot of people that way. New Christians and all! Very sad!
I have many friends who have terminal cancer, on chemo who keep on going! My cousin's wife got breast cancer, did the traditional chemo, went to Mexico for alternate treatments, had to go back on more and more chemo. She lasted 11 years, enough time to see her children married, but not to watch her children grow up. She was sad, my cousin is still recovering.
As for cataracts, that is seriously not an illness. It is a degenerative condition which most people get by the time they are old. I have them, probably started as a side effect of prednisone I was constantly on for my severe asthma. Because they have stopped growing, more or less. I'm awaiting surgery in the future and not worrying about it at all. My mom had it done in her 70's and it was the best thing she said that ever happened to her. Mainly because she could see the ball to golf. My dad had it done after his heart went downhill, and it was one of the worst things that could have happened to him, as he was to be immobile for some reason. Same doctor, same operation, two different results. There are no guarantees with modern medicine, I agree.
I will also say, that I am going to stay on chemo drugs, even if it kills me. Because my life is not worth living with the utterly destructive pain of Rheumatoid Arthritis. The idea is to find a doctor you trust, and then let him treat you. But do your research, and know the side effects, the bad and good outcomes. Two years ago I went on a biologic called "Xeljanz" This med could not be licensed in Europe, because 3 people died in the clinical trials. I knew this, and I tried it anyway. Not only did it not kill me, it did not work! So onto something new!
Finally, a lot of my scepticism concerning herbal and alternate cures come from the following reasons. One, none of these are tested rigorously. They are all based on the testimonials of one or two people.
However, getting back to Placebos, the Placebo is a big thing! That includes thinking you are healed by some alternate treatment, or even that God has healed you. (I'm not saying he doesn't heal, just that many people think they are healed, when actual testing would show they were not!)
Back in the 1990's Remicade, the first biologic was being tested around the world for stopping RA. When I was in Edmonton, I went to hear the head of the Rheumatology Dept. talk about that clinical trial. They gave half the group the Remicade, and half the group a placebo. (Not the drugs!) As an added control, they xrayed the hands and feet of all the people in both groups.
After a year, they surveyed both groups. 52% of the people in the placebo group said they had greatly improved. That means 52% of the people honestly believed it was helping, when they hadn't received the drug. Well and good, you say? Not so much. They did the X-rays of the hands and feet of everyone in both groups, again. The people in the Remicade group had much less deterioration of the joints than expected. The people in the placebo group had much WORSE deterioration of the joints, including the 52% who thought they were better and on the drug.
The ethics committee got involved, and they cancelled the double blind study. (This means neither the doctors, nurses and medical people, nor the patients knew who was getting the placebo and who was getting the drug!) It stuns me every time I think of it, to realize that these people had the same serious and painful disease that I have, and they thought they were better. What greater delusion than that?
Applied to God healing, I don't doubt God can heal. What I doubt are the many healing stories, without medical proof. And modern medicine has saved my life more times than you could imagine. I got my first pneumonia as a baby, had antibiotics which were new, and survived. Unlike an aunt on each side of the family who died of childhood pneumonia. I also would have died in childbirth 3 times, only one birth not needing intervention of the four. Oh, and that was a miracle! I had the whole church praying, there were visions of angels over my other children, and the nurses said that my labour room was so different, like angels were there. He was the biggest baby 9 lb 9 oz, and yet he just slide through. The doctor on call said it was a miracle. Because my doctor, also the town anesthesiologist, was out of town along with the ob-gyn. So praise God for that divine intervention. And all the times as an adult I had pneumonia and antibiotics pulled me through.
But, I praise God for doctors and medicine that have kept me alive, too! As for demonic influence in medicine, I have never seen it in my life! My son-in-law and daughter-in-law are both doctors. I had some good friends growing up who are doctors nearing the end of their careers. They are all the most honest and ethical people I know. My DIL wouldn't even give me a prescription for Valtrex, for a cold sore, because she wasn't allowed to treat family members. So I had to go into a walk in clinic wait 2 hours to get it. I am sure there are bad doctors, just as there are bad people in every profession, including pastors! But, for the main I am convinced that doctors and scientific researchers are not just in it for the money, but because they truly care. By the way, my uncle was a top level chemist in a medical research facility, and he wasn't even allowed to tell his wife what went on. When he got cancer in his arm, it was shown it was because of exposure to the chemicals he was working on to get cures for various diseases. Sad, he was there trying to help people, and paid the price.
PS Depression is not simple! It is a serious mental illness, in that if it is not treated properly, people kill themselves. I heard the woman who founded the semi-colon movement just killed herself at age 32. There are a lot of things people can do to help themselves with depression, but not all of those things work for everyone. I've been living with a seriously depressed person for 36 years. He takes two AD's and is mostly good. But we went through a LOT of hard times when he refused to take meds. Why? Because he thought he wasn't a good Christian if he took the anti-depressants! Too much nonsense the Word Faith people fed him, too. The depression interfered with doing his job, too. When he finally got on a full dose of an AD, he was stunned how much easier his job is. I give him lots of vitamins and minerals, which have helped a touch, but he still needs those ADs. And I do love him, just the way he is!
My opinion is not the rule. Some doctors saved my life too. But I still don't trust some of them. I am not into WOF like what you seem to think. As much as possible I will try to use natural healing methods to prevent disease but I will also listen to doctors I trust when natural means don't work. Autoimmune diseases are tricky. I had to take meds for my thyroid problems because I was getting worse and because the advantage outweighed the risks. But there are also people I know who got well with thyroid problems without meds, only natural methods. In some people who have asthma, their symptoms just went away on their own. I had allergic rhinitis for a long time but miraculously there are very rare attacks now. I just avoid allergens. Maybe my immune system just got tired of the attacks that it got rid of it once and for all. I did not take anti allergies, I just let it be. Our immune system is amazing. The focus should be to strengthen it by natural means and not to automatically turn to meds with any slight problems.
There is one doctor who diagnosed my heartburn symptoms as asthma and prescribed asthma drugs without confirming. There are also doctors who would automatically advice operation when it is really not necessary. I've seen many doctors in my life because I am very sickly too and I can say only few are good doctors and few who really cares. Most of them that I met are ego centered people. Maybe its different in your country. In Japan, I heard doctors treat patients very well.
Hypothyroidism runs in my family. All the women have it. All of us have experienced the need for increasing the Synthroid, although I have been stable for 10 years on the same dose. My daughter showed symptoms at 14, worsening at 15, and then when she could barely get up, spent all her time with a blanket wrapped around her or in a hot shower, she was so cold, I dragged her to the doctor. She had to go the second level of dosing, right from Day 1. Her excuse was that she was young and not an old woman like me needing meds. Sigh! I always feel bad for her, because I didn't get it till I was 44, exactly the same time I got RA. My mom and sister also have it.
I have met people who try some kind of natural medicine, but it has something to do with pigs, and since I am a vegetarian, I decided that was worse for me than the Synthroid.
I did a lot of research as I got sicker and sicker. I realized I wasn't properly processing nutrients in food, and went back on a serious regime of vitamin and mineral supplements, especially after I came down with numerous deficiencies. That should be part of modern medicine, but except for rare cases, most doctors don't even check for deficiencies. I even had scurvy at one point, because I had to stop eating citrus fruits cause they were giving me severe migraines. (You may have noticed I don't do "mild" very well!). I'm not able to eat citrus fruits right now, because the antibiotics hurt my stomach. But I am taking lots of supplements. The other thing, is that I grow a lot of my own food, and I eat organic. My food tastes much better than store bought stuff, and it is cheap! I don't think it helps my diseases, but it certainly is healthier all round. So yes, natural means if possible. Everyone in North America could eat better, from what I see. Oh, and exercise! I was an avid bicycle rider, the last two years a lot less. This year, if I can get over the pulled muscles and tendons, I hope to increase it a lot. I used to ride 30-35 km every other day, alternating with weights and stretches. It was the best thing I could have done for my health, including my bad knees. A really good orthopedic surgeon told me that. Said I didn't need knee surgery, yet.
I do think that the standards are very high for doctors and the entire medical establishment in Canada. It is not so much a "for profit" job, but a calling to care for people. I see that in every doctor I have ever gone to. Well, maybe not some orthopedic surgeons. They do tend to do unnecessary or surgery that won't work, as in my foot reconstruction. I had 7 years of terrible pain after the surgery, because the foot was too damaged to operate on. I finally got the titanium screw out, and it is a lot better, but certainly not what I had hoped for, and it was implied I would get. Oh well, I will probably dealing with those doctors a lot more in the future. Right now, my rheumatologist wants me to have both thumbs rebuilt, Total Knee Replacements in both knees, and my left foot reconstructed. The left foot is never! The thumbs are - I need a lot more information about mobility. The knees, well, I just strap them up, and have at it! For now, anyway!
I'm sorry to hear you are not well. I wish you could trust your doctors more. It sucks to be young and sick. I was lucky and didn't get sick till my late 30's. One day I was well, and then overnight, I was a very sick person, and have been mostly ever since. Except when I had a really good RA med combo. Those were the days!
The problem with synthetic supplements is that they can damage your kidneys in the long run. Balanced diet from natural sources is still the best. Drink a lot of water, enough sleep, fresh air, good posture, sunshine, exercise and fasting. They are the best doctors. Maybe juicing can help with the problem with nutrient absorption? I used to take supplements before but I stopped. I have a kidney stone problem now because my sugar level became borderline and maybe because of the too many synthetic meds and supplements I ingested.. I have a feeling the supplements contributed to the hormonal imbalance that possibly caused many of my illnesses. I read somewhere that supplements can cause imbalance. God has healed me and continues to heal me of all my illnesses. I know that life will not stop getting hard but I trust God will get me through all the hardship.
Regarding healing or anything that Jesus has promised us who come to Him and are now His sheep /His blood bought church., we are responsible to be keeping Jesus in our sights. It's too easy in our flesh to be dismayed and discouraged and to allow the enemy to steal the Word from our hearts. It's too easy to put our trust in what the Bible calls strong horses and big chariots pertaining to the strength of the world and the things in the world. The pride of life and the power of man's reason. Those are not where we believers will find our Chariots and our Strong Horses.
That is the enemy's plan, to steal the Word sewn in our hearts just like the Bible tells of the seeds sewn in different ground. It takes a drastic major consideration and magnifying Christ and not the big and powerful things to the left of us or to the right of us in this world.
I've noticed it is very easy for us humans to condemn anything that is not flowing with the usual and negative things in life we are so acquainted with. Those negative things come at us like a flood and unless we are resolute in the faith He gifts us with each day, we will be easy prey in these bodies because the flesh is weak. But Christ died to give us many many things and we attain those things by faith while still here on earth. If we become weary in well doing we will not see those promises in our daily lives today.
That's why the Bible tells us to not be weary in well doing. Our well doing is to walk by faith and not by sight. It is only then that we can do anything because the obedience of faith is about us branches abiding on the Vine. We are not trying to be branches, we who have Jesus Christ ARE branches now. So it is our work to abide.
Do we see confusion and death around us? Make the choice of heart and mind to see Christ instead. Are we afflicted today by defeat and weakness? See Christ instead. Do we have pain and anguish, He takes care of that too. Will He leave you in that place when you go to Him by faith? NO NEVER.
I have found in all of those things He makes us MORE than conquerors because Jesus defeated all our enemies at the cross and I've also seen He wants me to observe Him in it all while I'm still here on earth. He gives us encouragement and strength as we abide. He makes us fruitful in the fruits of the Spirit as we abide. This sort of fruit is not the kind that looks good and sounds good on paper. This fruit is the kind that changes our minds and hearts into being more like Jesus. By allowing His Spirit to do those things in our lives. We don't boast of our works because of our pains.., We boast of Christ and His power in our lives. One of the fruits of that is a meek and quiet spirit.
At the end of this post I added some of what I read this morning. The words I posted came boldly out to me regarding this thread and those here who are against this sort of healing. If we don't dare to walk by faith and not by sight, we will not "see" the power of His resurrection in our lives.
The promises will be there but we won't take hold of them because of the unbelief that says "it doesn't make any sense, I tried it and it didn't work., I had friends who tried it and it didn't work so therefore I'm against it" Too much in the world contradicts His clear promises. But His promises are real and they are clear. We have only but to take hold by faith to start to see Jesus fight for us.
We say The Lord is my Shepherd., I shall not want or lack for anything. This IS a truth to lay hold of because Jesus has laid hold of it for us. It is why we are now more than conquerors because of Christ who loved us and gave Himself for us. These truths come in to our hearts at first some 10 fold, some 15 fold., some 20 fold. We have to persist in faith, continue in well doing. The enemy of our souls knows that we will not be patient unless we have the encouragement and help of the Holy Spirit working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.
This is not sheer will power., it is the working of faith that doesn't worry because it knows the promises are there and already bought. We start seeing them as we start walking by faith. We see more and more as we persist in the faith. Keep on keeping on., keep on being filled. "Be ye being filled"
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Then Elisha prayed, “O Lord, open his eyes so he can see.” The Lord opened the servant’s eyes and he saw that the hill was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. (2 Kgs 6:17)
Everything that comes to us becomes a chariot the moment we treat it as such; and, on the other hand, even the smallest trial may be a Juggernaut car to crush us into misery or despair if we consider it.
That is the enemy's plan, to steal the Word sewn in our hearts just like the Bible tells of the seeds sewn in different ground. It takes a drastic major consideration and magnifying Christ and not the big and powerful things to the left of us or to the right of us in this world.
I've noticed it is very easy for us humans to condemn anything that is not flowing with the usual and negative things in life we are so acquainted with. Those negative things come at us like a flood and unless we are resolute in the faith He gifts us with each day, we will be easy prey in these bodies because the flesh is weak. But Christ died to give us many many things and we attain those things by faith while still here on earth. If we become weary in well doing we will not see those promises in our daily lives today.
That's why the Bible tells us to not be weary in well doing. Our well doing is to walk by faith and not by sight. It is only then that we can do anything because the obedience of faith is about us branches abiding on the Vine. We are not trying to be branches, we who have Jesus Christ ARE branches now. So it is our work to abide.
Do we see confusion and death around us? Make the choice of heart and mind to see Christ instead. Are we afflicted today by defeat and weakness? See Christ instead. Do we have pain and anguish, He takes care of that too. Will He leave you in that place when you go to Him by faith? NO NEVER.
I have found in all of those things He makes us MORE than conquerors because Jesus defeated all our enemies at the cross and I've also seen He wants me to observe Him in it all while I'm still here on earth. He gives us encouragement and strength as we abide. He makes us fruitful in the fruits of the Spirit as we abide. This sort of fruit is not the kind that looks good and sounds good on paper. This fruit is the kind that changes our minds and hearts into being more like Jesus. By allowing His Spirit to do those things in our lives. We don't boast of our works because of our pains.., We boast of Christ and His power in our lives. One of the fruits of that is a meek and quiet spirit.
At the end of this post I added some of what I read this morning. The words I posted came boldly out to me regarding this thread and those here who are against this sort of healing. If we don't dare to walk by faith and not by sight, we will not "see" the power of His resurrection in our lives.
The promises will be there but we won't take hold of them because of the unbelief that says "it doesn't make any sense, I tried it and it didn't work., I had friends who tried it and it didn't work so therefore I'm against it" Too much in the world contradicts His clear promises. But His promises are real and they are clear. We have only but to take hold by faith to start to see Jesus fight for us.
We say The Lord is my Shepherd., I shall not want or lack for anything. This IS a truth to lay hold of because Jesus has laid hold of it for us. It is why we are now more than conquerors because of Christ who loved us and gave Himself for us. These truths come in to our hearts at first some 10 fold, some 15 fold., some 20 fold. We have to persist in faith, continue in well doing. The enemy of our souls knows that we will not be patient unless we have the encouragement and help of the Holy Spirit working in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.
This is not sheer will power., it is the working of faith that doesn't worry because it knows the promises are there and already bought. We start seeing them as we start walking by faith. We see more and more as we persist in the faith. Keep on keeping on., keep on being filled. "Be ye being filled"
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Then Elisha prayed, “O Lord, open his eyes so he can see.” The Lord opened the servant’s eyes and he saw that the hill was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. (2 Kgs 6:17)
Everything that comes to us becomes a chariot the moment we treat it as such; and, on the other hand, even the smallest trial may be a Juggernaut car to crush us into misery or despair if we consider it.
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Well I guess praying to God could do the same too if He grants your prayer. I am meaning to moreso try to keep God in your mind by acknowledging Him and praising Him by talking to Him. Showing and growing your love for Him in your mind by basically trying to love Him more. Prayer is kind of different, prayer is just begging, you are asking for something, which that is okay too, it is natural for children to make a petition to their Father. Either way the goal is to get God in your knowledge, in your mind. Now if God is in your mind, and God is good, then how can your mind be ill? I would suggest it can't be.
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You can suggest it all you want, but it doesn't make it true.
Some devote Christians have physical and mental illnesses that needs medical treatment.
It is good to both focus on loving God and prayer.
However medicine and doctors aren't evil and you should not be discouraging people from seeking treatment.
Also without the gospel, without believing that Jesus died for your sins and being born again, and being lead by the Holy Spirit, "focusing on loving God" falls short of what is needed.
Some devote Christians have physical and mental illnesses that needs medical treatment.
It is good to both focus on loving God and prayer.
However medicine and doctors aren't evil and you should not be discouraging people from seeking treatment.
Also without the gospel, without believing that Jesus died for your sins and being born again, and being lead by the Holy Spirit, "focusing on loving God" falls short of what is needed.
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Is it true or is it not true?
Matthew 4
“If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:
‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,
‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”
7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’”[c]
****Telling people to refuse medical treatment and medicine, which God has given to heal them is similar to telling them to jump off a cliff and expect God to save them.
Even Satan can quote scriptures, but Jesus tells us not to tempt the Lord, Our God.
Do you deny the importance of accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior and being born again and led by the Holy Spirit? ******
Matthew 4
“If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:
‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,
‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”
7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’”[c]
****Telling people to refuse medical treatment and medicine, which God has given to heal them is similar to telling them to jump off a cliff and expect God to save them.
Even Satan can quote scriptures, but Jesus tells us not to tempt the Lord, Our God.
Do you deny the importance of accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior and being born again and led by the Holy Spirit? ******
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That is true.
Is this true, or is it not true?
Isaiah 8:19-20
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
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Are you implying that doctors are mediums and wizards?
There are present day mediums and witches and wizards, but most are not found in the medical community. I would be so bold to say, most are found in the pulpits of "word of faith" churchs like Benny Hinn.
There is a difference between magic and science.
Magic is about human manipulation of spiritual forces and typically involves demons who pose as ghost of loved ones (mediums) or familiars of wizards (carry out curses, etc).
They have no power to heal but will have fake "healing" where the demon leaves for a time or stops tormenting the person so the "power" of the false minister will be established, but since that false minister never points to Jesus of the True gospel, they never get the holy spirit to protect and guide them.
Instead they get their own set of demons and make themselves more disciples of hell, who then can go out and practice fake signs and wonders to lead people away from God.
Like Satan, they can even quote scripture.
I have a profound distrust for anyone who can not state the Gospel, does not proclaim that Jesus is Lord and Savior, that He died upon the cross for our sins, rose again on the third day, ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God, our father almighty. Who can not proclaim they are a born again child of God, lead by His Holy Spirit, wash clean by the blood of the Lamb. If they can't state the gospel in their own words, yet try and "teach" scripture and spiritual truths....well if they aren't being lead by the Holy Spirit, then where do those type of people get their "truths"
They are the people talked about in the verses above. Modern day wizards who try and control the world around them without acknowledging God's true power.
Thinking they can say magic words to force God to do their will.
There are present day mediums and witches and wizards, but most are not found in the medical community. I would be so bold to say, most are found in the pulpits of "word of faith" churchs like Benny Hinn.
There is a difference between magic and science.
Magic is about human manipulation of spiritual forces and typically involves demons who pose as ghost of loved ones (mediums) or familiars of wizards (carry out curses, etc).
They have no power to heal but will have fake "healing" where the demon leaves for a time or stops tormenting the person so the "power" of the false minister will be established, but since that false minister never points to Jesus of the True gospel, they never get the holy spirit to protect and guide them.
Instead they get their own set of demons and make themselves more disciples of hell, who then can go out and practice fake signs and wonders to lead people away from God.
Like Satan, they can even quote scripture.
I have a profound distrust for anyone who can not state the Gospel, does not proclaim that Jesus is Lord and Savior, that He died upon the cross for our sins, rose again on the third day, ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God, our father almighty. Who can not proclaim they are a born again child of God, lead by His Holy Spirit, wash clean by the blood of the Lamb. If they can't state the gospel in their own words, yet try and "teach" scripture and spiritual truths....well if they aren't being lead by the Holy Spirit, then where do those type of people get their "truths"
They are the people talked about in the verses above. Modern day wizards who try and control the world around them without acknowledging God's true power.
Thinking they can say magic words to force God to do their will.
God loves us dearly and He will use any means He can to help His children out - just like any other good parent would. God works with us and in us and meets us where we are at with our understanding.
Jesus is the expressed representation of the will of the Father and His exact nature and character. Heb. 1:1-3. If you can see it in Jesus' life - then it is of the Father.
Jesus said that He came to do the will of the Father and this manifested itself in many ways with the primary one of saving us from our sins and all it's ramifications. Jesus said that no one knows the Father but the Son and He has revealed His name - Abba Father. Jesus said that it was the Father in Him doing the works.
Jesus is perfect theology.
I have looked all through the 4 gospels and I have not yet seen in the life of Jesus where He refused anyone to physically heal them when they came to Him. Some didn't come to Him, because they didn't have faith and that He marveled at their unbelief and could there do no mighty work.
Some withdrew healing virtue from Him without Him even knowing they were doing it until it was done. This they done by faith in Him "after" hearing of Him. The hearing of Christ Himself brings faith. Rom. 10:17
He did walk by many that were sick but none of these came to Him for healing. Sometimes as in the pool of Bethesda He came to a person on His own and asked him if he wanted to be healed. He had been sick for 38 years - perhaps he didn't want to be healed so that's the reason why Jesus asked him? Don't know - that is just speculation.
I have never seen in the 4 gospels where Jesus said any of these commonly held religious beliefs from both sides of this issue.
1) Jesus never said - "I can't heal you today because God is teaching you something".
2) Jesus never said - " I can't heal you today because you have sin in your life.".
3) Jesus never said - " I can't heal you today because you have not been eating or exercising like you should." ( the funny thing is that they were all on the Mediterranean Diet and did lot's of walking...
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4) Jesus never said - "I can't heal you because you haven't forgiven your mother-in-law."
5) Jesus never said - "I can't heal you because it is God's will for you to be sick."
All of the above are simply religious beliefs handed down to us from church teachings or what our own minds came up with because of our personal experiences as well as others experiences and the beliefs we formed from them.
The truth is - Jesus never once refused anyone who came to Him for physical healing.
God has provided for everyone born on this earth to receive the forgiveness of sins and to believe in Christ's work - but some will not believe. It is not God's will for any to perish and yet we know that some will refuse Christ. We cannot let our own experiences dictate to us truth. Jesus Himself is the Truth.
It is sad to see how those that believe it is God's will for all to be made well in the fact that some treat those that are sick in a condescending way and are judgmental towards them. It is no wonder they react the way some do. We are to have compassion on those that are sick and try to help them in any manner we can - not condemn and criticize them.
Jesus never condemned the woman with the issue of blood who had spent all her money going to the doctors for help. We should be encouraging others to follow what is in their own hearts - "in the way that they are to go".
For some it may mean taking medicine of some sort because that is their personal belief system. To refuse others to take medicine is not faith - it's foolishness and to condemn them for taking medicine is even worse. It's spiritual witchcraft which is just a work of the flesh.
God wants His beloved children well and whole just like any good moral parent and will use anything to get us there - even in death - we get new bodies that will never be corrupted. We cannot be defeated. Jesus won it all for us.
So, let's share in helping to carry the burden that is on our brethren and walk with them in the way they have chosen without condemning the way that they have taken - even if it is different then what we would do or believe. I believe this is the "law of Christ" in manifestation.
Jesus is the expressed representation of the will of the Father and His exact nature and character. Heb. 1:1-3. If you can see it in Jesus' life - then it is of the Father.
Jesus said that He came to do the will of the Father and this manifested itself in many ways with the primary one of saving us from our sins and all it's ramifications. Jesus said that no one knows the Father but the Son and He has revealed His name - Abba Father. Jesus said that it was the Father in Him doing the works.
Jesus is perfect theology.
I have looked all through the 4 gospels and I have not yet seen in the life of Jesus where He refused anyone to physically heal them when they came to Him. Some didn't come to Him, because they didn't have faith and that He marveled at their unbelief and could there do no mighty work.
Some withdrew healing virtue from Him without Him even knowing they were doing it until it was done. This they done by faith in Him "after" hearing of Him. The hearing of Christ Himself brings faith. Rom. 10:17
He did walk by many that were sick but none of these came to Him for healing. Sometimes as in the pool of Bethesda He came to a person on His own and asked him if he wanted to be healed. He had been sick for 38 years - perhaps he didn't want to be healed so that's the reason why Jesus asked him? Don't know - that is just speculation.
I have never seen in the 4 gospels where Jesus said any of these commonly held religious beliefs from both sides of this issue.
1) Jesus never said - "I can't heal you today because God is teaching you something".
2) Jesus never said - " I can't heal you today because you have sin in your life.".
3) Jesus never said - " I can't heal you today because you have not been eating or exercising like you should." ( the funny thing is that they were all on the Mediterranean Diet and did lot's of walking...
)4) Jesus never said - "I can't heal you because you haven't forgiven your mother-in-law."
5) Jesus never said - "I can't heal you because it is God's will for you to be sick."
All of the above are simply religious beliefs handed down to us from church teachings or what our own minds came up with because of our personal experiences as well as others experiences and the beliefs we formed from them.
The truth is - Jesus never once refused anyone who came to Him for physical healing.
God has provided for everyone born on this earth to receive the forgiveness of sins and to believe in Christ's work - but some will not believe. It is not God's will for any to perish and yet we know that some will refuse Christ. We cannot let our own experiences dictate to us truth. Jesus Himself is the Truth.
It is sad to see how those that believe it is God's will for all to be made well in the fact that some treat those that are sick in a condescending way and are judgmental towards them. It is no wonder they react the way some do. We are to have compassion on those that are sick and try to help them in any manner we can - not condemn and criticize them.
Jesus never condemned the woman with the issue of blood who had spent all her money going to the doctors for help. We should be encouraging others to follow what is in their own hearts - "in the way that they are to go".
For some it may mean taking medicine of some sort because that is their personal belief system. To refuse others to take medicine is not faith - it's foolishness and to condemn them for taking medicine is even worse. It's spiritual witchcraft which is just a work of the flesh.
God wants His beloved children well and whole just like any good moral parent and will use anything to get us there - even in death - we get new bodies that will never be corrupted. We cannot be defeated. Jesus won it all for us.
So, let's share in helping to carry the burden that is on our brethren and walk with them in the way they have chosen without condemning the way that they have taken - even if it is different then what we would do or believe. I believe this is the "law of Christ" in manifestation.
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I have a profound distrust for anyone who can not state the Gospel, does not proclaim that Jesus is Lord and Savior, that He died upon the cross for our sins, rose again on the third day, ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God, our father almighty. Who can not proclaim they are a born again child of God, lead by His Holy Spirit, wash clean by the blood of the Lamb. If they can't state the gospel in their own words, yet try and "teach" scripture and spiritual truths....well if they aren't being lead by the Holy Spirit, then where do those type of people get their "truths?
Answer my question first, for I have already answer 2 and more of yours.
Yet I have not seen you proclaim the gospel or that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. That God's will should be done even if we would ask the cup to pass from us.
Answer my question first, for I have already answer 2 and more of yours.
Yet I have not seen you proclaim the gospel or that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. That God's will should be done even if we would ask the cup to pass from us.
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