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Ahhh....I see.
I have said over 50x times that we are transformed to live godly lives by the Holy Spirit as we behold Christ. I have also said that it is the grace of God that teaches us how to live godly in this present world at the very least over 60x times have quoted Titus 2:11-12
Some people twist what you say to make it seem you are saying something else. Mixing up righteousness which only comes by Christ's work alone and walking out the holiness that is already in us because of Christ are different things. Confuse the two and we have a mess.
Godliness is actually an outward manifestation of the sanctification that is in us now in our new creation in Christ. He too is our sanctification. 1 Cor. 1:30 and this is "by His doing".
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[h=2]The gospel is about repentance, confession and walking righteously is the question put forth.[/h]
Unless I have missed it my entire Christian life, I have always been led to believe the Gospel is the good news. You cannot repent, confess or walk righteously until you hear the good news first!
What is the Good news? The good news is laid out in John 3:16, Isaiah 54:9-10, Isaiah 53: 4-12 and 2 Corinthians 5: 17-21
Until you hear that God loves you unconditionally, He is not imputing your sins against you, that he will never be wroth or angry with you, He will never remove his covenant of Peace from you, then you are not in a position to repent, confess or walk righteously.
You have to hear the Good news before you can even make a decision to repent, confess and walk in righteousness.
Unless I have missed it my entire Christian life, I have always been led to believe the Gospel is the good news. You cannot repent, confess or walk righteously until you hear the good news first!
What is the Good news? The good news is laid out in John 3:16, Isaiah 54:9-10, Isaiah 53: 4-12 and 2 Corinthians 5: 17-21
Until you hear that God loves you unconditionally, He is not imputing your sins against you, that he will never be wroth or angry with you, He will never remove his covenant of Peace from you, then you are not in a position to repent, confess or walk righteously.
You have to hear the Good news before you can even make a decision to repent, confess and walk in righteousness.
Well said. Some people get the gospel backwards and try to "dictate" the life of God into people and instead it creates a works-based mindset of trying to do your own righteousness and this nullifies the very grace needed to effect real transformation by the Holy Spirit.
For it is God who is at work in us - both to will and to do of His good pleasure. We participate in this with the Holy Spirit as sons of our loving Father but not to "attain to some sort of righteousness" but because we are already righteous by Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.
They try to create and maintain their own righteousness by what they do or don't do and thus the gospel is not believed on like it should be. There is no foundation for the people to build on.
The gospel which is Christ Himself is the power of God for salvation to all who believe. In it - Jesus - the righteousness of God is revealed.
Trying to "dictate' the fruit of the Spirit without allowing the life of Christ to bear His fruit in us creates a religion of self-works which actually nullifies the very grace needed for real transformation to occur.
This all starts with acknowledging that we are righteous because we are in Him - not because of what we do or don't do. Humbling ourselves to agree with what God says we are because of His Son's work.
For it is God who is at work in us - both to will and to do of His good pleasure. We participate in this with the Holy Spirit as sons of our loving Father but not to "attain to some sort of righteousness" but because we are already righteous by Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.
They try to create and maintain their own righteousness by what they do or don't do and thus the gospel is not believed on like it should be. There is no foundation for the people to build on.
The gospel which is Christ Himself is the power of God for salvation to all who believe. In it - Jesus - the righteousness of God is revealed.
Trying to "dictate' the fruit of the Spirit without allowing the life of Christ to bear His fruit in us creates a religion of self-works which actually nullifies the very grace needed for real transformation to occur.
This all starts with acknowledging that we are righteous because we are in Him - not because of what we do or don't do. Humbling ourselves to agree with what God says we are because of His Son's work.
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First, Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins. Second, when we follow him, he gets us out of the messes we get ourselves into.
If we obey the Lord's commandments, we can have fun. If we don't obey his commandments, we get into trouble. For example, if you rob a bank, you will spend years in prison. That isn't fun.
If we obey the Lord's commandments, we can have fun. If we don't obey his commandments, we get into trouble. For example, if you rob a bank, you will spend years in prison. That isn't fun.
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Adam took a bite out of a fruit and it caused the fall of all mankind.
The end result was the first death of an animal, Imagine how the universe reacted when they witness an innocent creature which was without blemish being killed. and its skin ripped off to cove the shame of mankind.
It is not to hard to explain sin and sacrifice and death There are ways other than the law.
The end result was the first death of an animal, Imagine how the universe reacted when they witness an innocent creature which was without blemish being killed. and its skin ripped off to cove the shame of mankind.
It is not to hard to explain sin and sacrifice and death There are ways other than the law.
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How. You tell your kid to not get a cookie.. The kid gets the cookie anyway,
The law did not keep the kid out of trouble.. What could have kept the kid out of trouble?
God told adam to not eat of a tree.. Adam ate of the tree, and the whole world suffered.
The law did not keep adam out of trouble. What could have kept adam out of trouble?
The law did not keep the kid out of trouble.. What could have kept the kid out of trouble?
God told adam to not eat of a tree.. Adam ate of the tree, and the whole world suffered.
The law did not keep adam out of trouble. What could have kept adam out of trouble?
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That's false Ariel. And it is why we can never come to an understanding, and why these arguments will continue
You just basically told a person who are slandering others it is ok for them to continue to do whatever they want, There will be no consequences..
WHO????????????
People have been asked this question since I have been a member of CC. and 99 percent of the time, No one ever gives an answer, and when they do give answers, 99 % of the time, They are proven to be wrong.
so maybe 1 percent of all people do this, and we have to attack and slander a whole group of people instead of calling the ones who actually do preach it out by truth?
Your right, These legalists do not have a true understanding of why Christ died for them, Why do you think they continue to preach work work work..Or else..
Thats why they reject grace or teach a different grace, Thats why they teach different grace, Thats why they condemn those who follow Grace, and say we love sin..Thats why they teach God can fail, and they can lose salvation, Because they do not understand the significance of the cross, and what it means to them.
We do not have a problem in CC of people saying the law is insignificant, That people do not need to repent, That it is ok to sin all you want.
The problem is with the legalistic people slandering those who place faith in Christ alone saying they believe the things they do not believe.
and people enabling them by saying they are not sinning.. by bearing false witness.
No, It goes round and round because people will not stand up and say we have major issues here, We have TWO gospels being preached.. yet people say no, We all have the same gospel. just different beliefs, And as such, we have one group slandering another group. And people saying it is ok, it is not sin
Again, how did Christ react to the false teachers? Did they just let them continue to preach their false doctrines to the church? Or did they call them out..
You just basically told a person who are slandering others it is ok for them to continue to do whatever they want, There will be no consequences..
WHO????????????
People have been asked this question since I have been a member of CC. and 99 percent of the time, No one ever gives an answer, and when they do give answers, 99 % of the time, They are proven to be wrong.
so maybe 1 percent of all people do this, and we have to attack and slander a whole group of people instead of calling the ones who actually do preach it out by truth?
Your right, These legalists do not have a true understanding of why Christ died for them, Why do you think they continue to preach work work work..Or else..
Thats why they reject grace or teach a different grace, Thats why they teach different grace, Thats why they condemn those who follow Grace, and say we love sin..Thats why they teach God can fail, and they can lose salvation, Because they do not understand the significance of the cross, and what it means to them.
We do not have a problem in CC of people saying the law is insignificant, That people do not need to repent, That it is ok to sin all you want.
The problem is with the legalistic people slandering those who place faith in Christ alone saying they believe the things they do not believe.
and people enabling them by saying they are not sinning.. by bearing false witness.
No, It goes round and round because people will not stand up and say we have major issues here, We have TWO gospels being preached.. yet people say no, We all have the same gospel. just different beliefs, And as such, we have one group slandering another group. And people saying it is ok, it is not sin
Again, how did Christ react to the false teachers? Did they just let them continue to preach their false doctrines to the church? Or did they call them out..
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Try to imagine someone who keeps the law perfectly, (including how much more detail Jesus gave to it.)
Can you imagine such a person? Yeah, God.
God, being perfect, can't be around the imperfect. And then we see how short we are from that law.
In my mind, we're supposed to walk in God's shoes. My foot is way too small. The law shows me that. He resurrects us to see that, and then we want to walk in Daddy's shoes. But without knowing how bad we are, how do we get to see how good he is for/in us? We can't ever walk in Daddy's shoes on earth, but we can dance on his shoes. We need to see that. THAT's the law. Daddy's shoes! The way to walk.
[video=youtube;oLDRM-oN6vQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLDRM-oN6vQ[/video]
Can you imagine such a person? Yeah, God.
God, being perfect, can't be around the imperfect. And then we see how short we are from that law.
In my mind, we're supposed to walk in God's shoes. My foot is way too small. The law shows me that. He resurrects us to see that, and then we want to walk in Daddy's shoes. But without knowing how bad we are, how do we get to see how good he is for/in us? We can't ever walk in Daddy's shoes on earth, but we can dance on his shoes. We need to see that. THAT's the law. Daddy's shoes! The way to walk.
[video=youtube;oLDRM-oN6vQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLDRM-oN6vQ[/video]