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He makes decisions based upon what His creatures do with His SON.
God would have sent a cockroach to die for our sins, if he was just arbitrarily/sovereignly choosing people for heaven or hell. And actually, based upon the character and nature of God, he would even kill a cockroach for us if he was just pulling numbers out of a hat to save us.
God would have sent a cockroach to die for our sins, if he was just arbitrarily/sovereignly choosing people for heaven or hell. And actually, based upon the character and nature of God, he would even kill a cockroach for us if he was just pulling numbers out of a hat to save us.
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Doesn't matter if you add the word 'Son,' his plans are based on you. God had no mind of his own until he saw you and decided to do something. It is amazing how we degrade God to be one of us! Is it not right that God can predestined what is to come for his own purposes? He has his ways and we are the working out of his eternal counsel.
Because we are Commanded by Christ to do so, He didn't say go into the world and figure out who the elect are and preach and teach them.
Turn that around why should we evangelize if those that believe, already know God through creation and did not honor Him as God. Romans 1:19-21 "For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Evangelism actually caused Paul to stay in Acts 18:9-11 "And the Lord said to Paul one night in a vision, “Do not be afraid, but go on speaking and do not be silent,10 for I am with you, and no one will attack you to harm you, for I have many in this city who are my people.”11 And he stayed a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them."
Turn that around why should we evangelize if those that believe, already know God through creation and did not honor Him as God. Romans 1:19-21 "For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Evangelism actually caused Paul to stay in Acts 18:9-11 "And the Lord said to Paul one night in a vision, “Do not be afraid, but go on speaking and do not be silent,10 for I am with you, and no one will attack you to harm you, for I have many in this city who are my people.”11 And he stayed a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them."
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I am going to end this with one last passage:
Ephesians 1:3-14
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 1:3-14
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
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This is what you are doing. God is sovereign, Just,loving,graceful,righteous and many more perfect attributes.
And His sovereignty CANNOT impugn any of His other attributes. His Love CANNOT impugn any of His other attributes.
So He operates in RIGHTEOUSNESS. Righteousness CANNOT impugn any of His other attributes. What is right, perfectly right, doesn't negate His Love. What is perfectly right, doesn't negate His Sovereignty. What is perfectly right doesn't negate His Grace.
Righteousness keeps all Of his divine attributes perfectly.
And He saves us in righteousness. Not sovereignty. If he saved us in His sovereignty(Arbitrarily chooses hell or heaven for people) he would impugn His righteousness.
ALL can believe. And anyone who does WILL be saved...................righteousness/Just.
And His sovereignty CANNOT impugn any of His other attributes. His Love CANNOT impugn any of His other attributes.
So He operates in RIGHTEOUSNESS. Righteousness CANNOT impugn any of His other attributes. What is right, perfectly right, doesn't negate His Love. What is perfectly right, doesn't negate His Sovereignty. What is perfectly right doesn't negate His Grace.
Righteousness keeps all Of his divine attributes perfectly.
And He saves us in righteousness. Not sovereignty. If he saved us in His sovereignty(Arbitrarily chooses hell or heaven for people) he would impugn His righteousness.
ALL can believe. And anyone who does WILL be saved...................righteousness/Just.
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I didn't decide to be elected. Get past what you are being told about election.
I decided to believe the Gospel He presented to me so HE could save me. I was then elected for a great inheritance after he saved me.
Election is not salvation. election is what a believer is elected to after they believe.
From your definition of election the real question is.............How is it grace if he elects people to hell?
I decided to believe the Gospel He presented to me so HE could save me. I was then elected for a great inheritance after he saved me.
Election is not salvation. election is what a believer is elected to after they believe.
From your definition of election the real question is.............How is it grace if he elects people to hell?
You missed the meaning of the parable, they were not chosen they were invited, then the servant when out and gathered those in the streets to come, both good and bad. Everyone is invited, but it doesn't guarantee they will come, but those that were gathered came. The parable is a follow-up to the parables He was teaching them, then in 21:43-44 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.” Since the kingdom was being taken away from the Jews, He teaches this parable.
Matthew 22:3, 10 "He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.....10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests."
Since the invited Jews refused the kingdom, it was "taken away" and"given to a people who will" the invited Jew didn't come so He told the servant to invite others and he went out and gather them, both good and bad. Just like in what He said in verse 31 of chapter 21 "For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him."
Matthew 22:3, 10 "He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.....10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests."
Since the invited Jews refused the kingdom, it was "taken away" and"given to a people who will" the invited Jew didn't come so He told the servant to invite others and he went out and gather them, both good and bad. Just like in what He said in verse 31 of chapter 21 "For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him."
To say that we do not have freewill is to call God a liar. Jesus explained that when the Seed (which is the Word of God) falls on different soils (hearts) how those types of soils respond. Our hearts can change for the better or for the worse- but it is our choice to make.
Adam and Eve CHOSE to eat of the forbidden fruit. Why would God tell us to have Self-Control if He is the One Who determines our behavior? Can you tell your hand to raise up and touch your head? Of course- and by your own decision- just as your other words or actions.
God chose/predestined those who would choose to obey Him, of their own freewill, to go to heaven. Is it up to police to decide who goes to jail and who doesn't? No- those who commit crime go to jail, while law abiding citizens do not. So you can say criminals are predestined for jail. It is based on their freewill decisions.
Adam and Eve CHOSE to eat of the forbidden fruit. Why would God tell us to have Self-Control if He is the One Who determines our behavior? Can you tell your hand to raise up and touch your head? Of course- and by your own decision- just as your other words or actions.
God chose/predestined those who would choose to obey Him, of their own freewill, to go to heaven. Is it up to police to decide who goes to jail and who doesn't? No- those who commit crime go to jail, while law abiding citizens do not. So you can say criminals are predestined for jail. It is based on their freewill decisions.
Hi Ash, I agree with you on this AMEN!!. The best way to live life is to be able to trust God with our lives from start to finish knowing His love leads Him in everything. He gave us life and formed us in the womb in the first place. As to the rest of it., how can anyone know why the Creator Who is all good and all holy and all wise does the things He does except to "trust Him fully and wholly to find Him wholly and fully true."
Sin has botched everything up especially our minds. How can we know anything ourselves?? Only by grace through faith can we know the truth and that grace is from the Great God and our Savior. When I think about the love He has revealed to me., I've been able to learn more about this supernatural faith we are to live by. His love for us that He is better than anything we can imagine.., and better than even theeee most honorable and loving kind person on earth that we know or read about or were told about.
And then the Bible says for our own benefit because we are human and need to see an example of God., that Jesus is the THEEE representation of Him!! I'm at peace and rest. He didn't have to do it that way either but He did. Because He knows our frame that we are but dust.... yet we are His and He is busy changing us from the inside out into the image of His Dear Son.
We don't have to understand all there is to know about God in order to accept His love for us. We don't understand most things in life before we use them or trust them to live on planet earth. Yet for some reason humans think we have to know allllll there is about the God of the universe before we believe and take from Him.
This kind of trust in Him comes from the Holy Spirit Who guides us into all kinds of other amazing truths and miracles He will do in our lives. Salvation is multi faceted by the millions!! The possibilities are endless with God. I'm very happy for you sister. Interesting how while we are cleaning the house we tend to do some of our best contemplation's.
