Give us these kind of men
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Joh 7:32 The Pharisees heard that the people murmured such things concerning him; and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take him.
Joh 7:45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
We need to speak boldly like Christ.
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Some people are relaxed in who they accept as Christians,which if they preach the prosperity Gospel,which neglects the poor,we are to withdraw ourselves from them,and not associate with them if they do not act Christlike,that can be seen publicly as if they do not care,and a lot they accept as Christians who will not confess in public like they should,and they do that for the purpose of not offending people,create an atmosphere of all are welcome despite you not believing correctly,to have a big congregation,and the money flowing in like a rapid river,and they are not actually Christians.
Some people are relaxed in who they accept as a Christian,despite behaving contrary to how they are supposed to behave,and believe,and we are to speak boldly against them,and tell them to stop.
Some people may say there is a certain person like that on this website,but I will not mention the name,tee hee,that is too relaxed in who that person accepts as being a Christian,which we are to show love,but not to point of tolerating them portraying Christianity wrongly.
Joh 7:45 Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him?
Joh 7:46 The officers answered, Never man spake like this man.
We need to speak boldly like Christ.
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Some people are relaxed in who they accept as Christians,which if they preach the prosperity Gospel,which neglects the poor,we are to withdraw ourselves from them,and not associate with them if they do not act Christlike,that can be seen publicly as if they do not care,and a lot they accept as Christians who will not confess in public like they should,and they do that for the purpose of not offending people,create an atmosphere of all are welcome despite you not believing correctly,to have a big congregation,and the money flowing in like a rapid river,and they are not actually Christians.
Some people are relaxed in who they accept as a Christian,despite behaving contrary to how they are supposed to behave,and believe,and we are to speak boldly against them,and tell them to stop.
Some people may say there is a certain person like that on this website,but I will not mention the name,tee hee,that is too relaxed in who that person accepts as being a Christian,which we are to show love,but not to point of tolerating them portraying Christianity wrongly.
Please show me with proof. I can say that you said that "Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation". - you would then ask for the proof of this accusation with the post that shows this.
If not - then obviously I have been wrong and accused you of something that is false.
So, I await your proof of the slander. It should be real easy to show if it is true. Thank you. I'm willing to repent when you show me as I don't believe that is right behavior.
If not - then obviously I have been wrong and accused you of something that is false.
So, I await your proof of the slander. It should be real easy to show if it is true. Thank you. I'm willing to repent when you show me as I don't believe that is right behavior.
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THIS is how I feel!
My mom came off as a simple woman, but she harbored much wisdom. And one of her sayings to us kids was "If you don't have something good to say about someone don't say anything at all".
You would think this would be Christianity 101.
I do not trust those who insist on bashing other people. Why not just speak truth, WITHOUT naming ANYBODY, and let the Holy Spirit speak to people with that truth?
My mom came off as a simple woman, but she harbored much wisdom. And one of her sayings to us kids was "If you don't have something good to say about someone don't say anything at all".
You would think this would be Christianity 101.
I do not trust those who insist on bashing other people. Why not just speak truth, WITHOUT naming ANYBODY, and let the Holy Spirit speak to people with that truth?
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yup
ever hear the story of Peter the Rabbit? apparently his mother told him the same
(had that on a record my dad bought me when I was a grasshopper)
God has dealt with me on this talking about others thing and told me, quite frankly, that I suffered for people talking about me (what they said was not true) BECAUSE I had done the same
what goes around
A big problem seems to be that people give themselves permission to be highly critical of others but then complain bitterly when criticism is turned on them even in the slightest. They can go up and down all sides of a person and think nothing of it beyond how justified they are in their opinions regardless of whether or not their imaginings are based in fact or not, because fact has little to do with how they rationalize their behavior.
I find it amazing that people are defending Osteen of all people, i mean, this guy is preaching 100% phony prosperity gospel.
I dont even agree with preacher4truth on EVERYTHING, but im quite sure if he and I were to get together we'd agree on 100% of the essentials of the christian faith.
If you dont have enough discernment to tell that osteen is a phony, i would be very worried. like Depleted had said, this kind of stuff is christianity 101.
I dont even agree with preacher4truth on EVERYTHING, but im quite sure if he and I were to get together we'd agree on 100% of the essentials of the christian faith.
If you dont have enough discernment to tell that osteen is a phony, i would be very worried. like Depleted had said, this kind of stuff is christianity 101.
I agree.
We can agree to disagree without slandering others with our bad behavior. It serves no purpose whatsoever but to cause strife and divisions.
We do this in the name of "defending the faith" but in reality we could be just "defending our interpretation" on a subject that is different from some other person. This then means I can in malice - slander them at will.
I usually give these types a few times to stop but if they don't - I refuse to interact with them anymore.
We can agree to disagree without slandering others with our bad behavior. It serves no purpose whatsoever but to cause strife and divisions.
We do this in the name of "defending the faith" but in reality we could be just "defending our interpretation" on a subject that is different from some other person. This then means I can in malice - slander them at will.
I usually give these types a few times to stop but if they don't - I refuse to interact with them anymore.
A good article for the discerning:
It's Time to Talk: 10 Reasons You Should Break Up With Joel Osteen — Pirate Christian Media
It's Time to Talk: 10 Reasons You Should Break Up With Joel Osteen — Pirate Christian Media
No one following the truth of the OP, it's video, or it's sound doctrine has slandered. To slander is to lie, so when you find a lie about your heretic preacher Osteen, do show us that, or better yet stop bearing false witness. This thread is for those who love the truth, so it is not for you. Proverbs 23:23.
This has not been done. There is no proof. I think this is a prime example of how "slandering others" manifests itself and reveals itself for what it really is.
I will not interact with those that continue to exhibit this kind of bad behavior as it is deceitful and does no good for anyone.
Any of us can fall for this type of behavior and we can try to justify it but it is the flesh acting up. Brethren I encourage us all to not walk in this type of behavior as it has the real potential to defile us and it creates strife and division amongst us.
There is a way of speaking forth the gospel of the grace of God without the malice and slandering others that have a different ministry then we do. Let's endeavor to do that very thing and bring glory to our Lord.
Paul says - none of us know all things as we ought to know it. We need each other and each other has a part to play in the body of Christ. Not all are the same body part nor have the same function. He is the head - He will direct us in the way that we are to go.
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Actually it has been done. The prosperity gospel is heresy, and you embrace it as yours.
Have you even watched the video? Compared it to Scripture? Compared Osteens heresy to Scripture?
Slander means to lie, so, either, show us all the lie, or stop lying yourself.
Anytime your personal beliefs are brought up, things you say you believe, you then call the one doing it a slanderer. You simply don't know what you're talking about or what the term means and are in fact lying when you falsely accuse of slander.
Soooo...when we are called to reprove and rebuke false teachers by name in Scripture, commanded to do so, it is the flesh acting up, eh?
That's utterly ridiculous and a slam on the truth.
Is it your flesh acting up when you rant about the false teachers and pharisees here?
Yes folks, don't obey the Word, obey grace777. When the Word of God shows us to reprove and rebuke false teaching, ignore it, and pay no mind to when grace777 rebukes pharisees and false teazchers in threads here, he's allowed to, he has a double standard.
No one has slandered, you've been shown that. Glorify the LORD? Yes, do that, by obeying Scripture and exposing the false teachers.
What a lame excuse and misuse of, and paraphrasing of, Paul out of context. Those passages do not address this issue whatsoever. Looking at that it is no wonder you're a fan of Osteen, he also rips passages out of context.
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YOUR truth and acceptance of a certain preacher's subjective interpretation; a teacher who advises us that salvation is a gift that must be purchased by our own good behavior
that is an interpretation and not the facts of what is presented in the Bible
the gospel according to lordship salvation actually places the individual at the helm of their own little rowboat when Jesus has presented Himself as captain of the ship
you insist on calling Jesus Lord when in actual fact, you make Him less so by constantly trying to be good enough to be saved
you wish to present a cheap facsimile of the real invitation and those of us who see through that and bring attention to it, are vilified by people who I do not believe actually understand the teaching they supposedly champion
the part you play, is judging those who question what he teaches. the name calling and apparent disdain and desired segregation from those of us who point out the error, do not reflect the gospel because you teach anything BUT whosoever will may come.
you cannot offer any sort of justification of the names you call others or the decision on your part to apply scripture where convenient to you, to the detriment of others that you have decided fit into a certain narrow and prejudiced doctrine that is actually the little throne room from which those who find fault and judge all others by their own actions, occupy. in case you could not follow that, you exclude which is not the invitation that has gone out from the throne room of God
this thread is like every other thread in the forum with some notable exceptions
you simply wish to make a point that is not shared with at least half or more of the people who regularly participate in said forums, a fact that is quickly picked up by people with as little as one months' membership here
that does not make your thread holy or just or righteous no matter how much you wish it to do so
having failed at creating legitimacy for your approach to why the rest of us should thank you for demanding we participate the way you say, you resort to name calling and personal attack
how very original
I have to apologize to Lynn. I have NEVER used the term "Christianity 101" and I didn't have a chance to read the thread beyond the quote Sevenseas said on page 1.
I was NOT using it as some backhanded way to address any posts she made. As I now read through more, I see that Lynn used that term several times.
Pretty cool coincidence! Sorry Lynn.
Also, I am neither endorsing Olsteen or condemning him, or anybody else for that matter.
I was merely saying that if WE give the Truth of the Gospel that will by default discredit any heretical gospel. We can do that without tearing an individual down.
I like this quote:[h=1]“Truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.”[/h]We need to give the Truth in LOVE. That, after all, is what distinguishes us as Christians.
I was NOT using it as some backhanded way to address any posts she made. As I now read through more, I see that Lynn used that term several times.
Pretty cool coincidence! Sorry Lynn.
Also, I am neither endorsing Olsteen or condemning him, or anybody else for that matter.
I was merely saying that if WE give the Truth of the Gospel that will by default discredit any heretical gospel. We can do that without tearing an individual down.
I like this quote:[h=1]“Truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.”[/h]We need to give the Truth in LOVE. That, after all, is what distinguishes us as Christians.
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Our message is the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, the message of salvation through His person and work. That sounds simple enough, but it is not nearly as simple as it sounds. The simple message, “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved,” has been assaulted from early on. Since the message is crucial to salvation, since anathema is pronounced on those who misrepresent it or change it (Gal. 1:6-9), we need to know the message. If we are to be true to the Bible and to the grace of our Lord, we need to be able to share the gospel clearly and avoid the distortions.
Outside the doctrines related to the Person and work of Christ, there is no truth more far-reaching in its implications and no fact more to be defended than that salvation in all its limitless magnitude is secured, so far as human responsibility is concerned, by believing on Christ as Savior. To this one requirement no other obligation may be added without violence to the Scriptures and total disruption of the essential doctrine of salvation by grace alone. Only ignorance or reprehensible inattention to the structure of a right Soteriology will attempt to intrude some form of human works with its supposed merit into that which, if done at all, must, by the very nature of the case, be wrought by God alone and on the principle of sovereign grace.
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let's address the above instead of just accepting the op's word for it that we all have itching ears and listen to false prophets
this is not about Joel Osteen
this is about the real message of Steve Lawson which is lordship salvation
I have noticed a few people now telling people in the forums to watch videos they post while neglecting to mention that the person in the video is taking the stance they are, because they believe in salvation PLUS
there is no plus to salvation. they will be quick to tell you they do not believe in works or working for salvation but at the same time, lordship salvation teaches that we must say certain things, believe certain things and do certain things that are in ADDITION to accepting Christ as our Savior
the article I linked to is well written, explains the dual nature of lordship salvation and presents the actual gospel with the purpose of clarifying what seems to have become an issue of debate never intended by those who originally presented the truth of God salvation plan through His Son
if this engenders further name calling and insult, to anyone, or is handily ignored, then discussion is not actually invited by the op, but rather blocked and submission to the teaching, through the video, is desired
anyone who examines what someone says should not be called names or put on a list with people who have eczema of the ears
the cure for itchy ears is the truth, not a misrepresentation of it by people who yell to make it seem they have the right to judge everyone who disagrees with them
Outside the doctrines related to the Person and work of Christ, there is no truth more far-reaching in its implications and no fact more to be defended than that salvation in all its limitless magnitude is secured, so far as human responsibility is concerned, by believing on Christ as Savior. To this one requirement no other obligation may be added without violence to the Scriptures and total disruption of the essential doctrine of salvation by grace alone. Only ignorance or reprehensible inattention to the structure of a right Soteriology will attempt to intrude some form of human works with its supposed merit into that which, if done at all, must, by the very nature of the case, be wrought by God alone and on the principle of sovereign grace.
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let's address the above instead of just accepting the op's word for it that we all have itching ears and listen to false prophets
this is not about Joel Osteen
this is about the real message of Steve Lawson which is lordship salvation
I have noticed a few people now telling people in the forums to watch videos they post while neglecting to mention that the person in the video is taking the stance they are, because they believe in salvation PLUS
there is no plus to salvation. they will be quick to tell you they do not believe in works or working for salvation but at the same time, lordship salvation teaches that we must say certain things, believe certain things and do certain things that are in ADDITION to accepting Christ as our Savior
the article I linked to is well written, explains the dual nature of lordship salvation and presents the actual gospel with the purpose of clarifying what seems to have become an issue of debate never intended by those who originally presented the truth of God salvation plan through His Son
if this engenders further name calling and insult, to anyone, or is handily ignored, then discussion is not actually invited by the op, but rather blocked and submission to the teaching, through the video, is desired
anyone who examines what someone says should not be called names or put on a list with people who have eczema of the ears
the cure for itchy ears is the truth, not a misrepresentation of it by people who yell to make it seem they have the right to judge everyone who disagrees with them
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addendum to the above in quotes
if you are saved, you will exhibit the life of Christ and conclude with His life as well
this is called sanctification and it is the life we live in Christ
no one can force someone to exhibit Christ likeness and then judge when they have achieved enough of it to be saved
if you are saved, you will exhibit the life of Christ and conclude with His life as well
this is called sanctification and it is the life we live in Christ
no one can force someone to exhibit Christ likeness and then judge when they have achieved enough of it to be saved
Isnt this just an extreme way of saying we must crucify the old self, total true repentance, if anyone is trying to save thier life will lose it, taking up ones cross daily.
Kinda how people half cheek Jesus. Jesus wants to have the whole seat within our mind, but many times we like to half cheek it with Jesus or push him off all together.
We have a tendency to try and take control. Which severely hurts the potential work Jesus could do within us.
Kinda how people half cheek Jesus. Jesus wants to have the whole seat within our mind, but many times we like to half cheek it with Jesus or push him off all together.
We have a tendency to try and take control. Which severely hurts the potential work Jesus could do within us.
Here they are described perfectly by God's Spirit in 2 Peter 2:3:
New International Version
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
New Living Translation
In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.
English Standard Version
And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Berean Study Bible
In their greed, these false teachers will exploit you with tales they have concocted. The longstanding verdict against them remains in force, and their destruction does not sleep.
Berean Literal Bible
And through covetousness they will exploit you with fabricated words, for whom the judgment of long ago is not idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
New American Standard Bible
and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
King James Bible
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.
International Standard Version
In their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. The ancient verdict against them is still in force, and their destruction is not delayed.
NET Bible
And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation pronounced long ago is not sitting idly by; their destruction is not asleep.
New Heart English Bible
In covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words: whose sentence now from of old does not linger, and their destruction is not asleep.
New International Version
In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
New Living Translation
In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction will not be delayed.
English Standard Version
And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Berean Study Bible
In their greed, these false teachers will exploit you with tales they have concocted. The longstanding verdict against them remains in force, and their destruction does not sleep.
Berean Literal Bible
And through covetousness they will exploit you with fabricated words, for whom the judgment of long ago is not idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
New American Standard Bible
and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
King James Bible
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.
International Standard Version
In their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. The ancient verdict against them is still in force, and their destruction is not delayed.
NET Bible
And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation pronounced long ago is not sitting idly by; their destruction is not asleep.
New Heart English Bible
In covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words: whose sentence now from of old does not linger, and their destruction is not asleep.