Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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is that judging my motive?
SHE made comments about the HS empowering us to NOT SIN and then admits she sins...so I deduced from her words three possible conclusions....
NEVER said she was not saved nor did I judge her salvation, but rightfully said I can deduce three things from her words.....
SO.....it was a valid question.....and my response to EG was valid....all I can do is go by the verbiage presented.....
SHE made comments about the HS empowering us to NOT SIN and then admits she sins...so I deduced from her words three possible conclusions....
NEVER said she was not saved nor did I judge her salvation, but rightfully said I can deduce three things from her words.....
SO.....it was a valid question.....and my response to EG was valid....all I can do is go by the verbiage presented.....
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1. No one here is saying it is ok to sin
2. No one here denys Gods power he gave us over sin
3. No one denys the victory we have in God over sin.
So when someone argues against us, and declairs we have power over sin.
we must assume they are teaching sinless perfection.
or they do not understand what we believe
It seems odd to say we have power over sin, when you admit you still sin, (in the context that we too understand wer have power over sin, annd are using that to come against us.)
As I have said before:
It is impossible to be sinless,
But you can sin less.
Sin isn't at an equal unchanging level, it can change we can sin more and we can sin less. And being more aligned to God, and Jesus, and therefore the Holy Spirit, we are in the direction of sinning less.
But something which guides us greatly in that endeavour to sin less, is to love more. Sometime people become a hollow shell, through pain, through struggling and not coping well. I see it all around me, love becomes less important.
It is what happens in how some people respond to others. In their eagerness to do what 'they think' is right, they forget to be loving above all things. It is not of love and therefore not of God, when we try to bring people down, who are not exactly coming from an unloving place, but are just expressing, which is a beautiful thing. Expression can be pure and child-like, and imaginative and colourful. It especially comes from younger people.
If we think of how every one of us spoke when we were just a child, try and correlate it and align it with how we speak now, but with our knowledge of God, and our knowledge of love. It is this knowledge which make us more capable as adults to move mountains, to build a better place around us, and for those growing up in it.
The only problem with adulthood, and the developed mind, is that unlike when we were a child and life simply flowed through us, we are more self-aware and can make choices. We can choose to be right, or we can choose to be loving. And yet loving is right. But being right without loving, is not love. Sounds paradoxically contradictive, but when you look at it, you really see that the beauty of God is simple, and being right (self right) without love (without God), is a complex and unmeaning thing.
After all, where do the words in your response originate from, your self, or, a beautiful river?
It is impossible to be sinless,
But you can sin less.
Sin isn't at an equal unchanging level, it can change we can sin more and we can sin less. And being more aligned to God, and Jesus, and therefore the Holy Spirit, we are in the direction of sinning less.
But something which guides us greatly in that endeavour to sin less, is to love more. Sometime people become a hollow shell, through pain, through struggling and not coping well. I see it all around me, love becomes less important.
It is what happens in how some people respond to others. In their eagerness to do what 'they think' is right, they forget to be loving above all things. It is not of love and therefore not of God, when we try to bring people down, who are not exactly coming from an unloving place, but are just expressing, which is a beautiful thing. Expression can be pure and child-like, and imaginative and colourful. It especially comes from younger people.
If we think of how every one of us spoke when we were just a child, try and correlate it and align it with how we speak now, but with our knowledge of God, and our knowledge of love. It is this knowledge which make us more capable as adults to move mountains, to build a better place around us, and for those growing up in it.
The only problem with adulthood, and the developed mind, is that unlike when we were a child and life simply flowed through us, we are more self-aware and can make choices. We can choose to be right, or we can choose to be loving. And yet loving is right. But being right without loving, is not love. Sounds paradoxically contradictive, but when you look at it, you really see that the beauty of God is simple, and being right (self right) without love (without God), is a complex and unmeaning thing.
After all, where do the words in your response originate from, your self, or, a beautiful river?
Yes we have been empowered not to sin and show in our lives who Jesus is.
I think the problem is that as believers we define sin according to
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
and that is what we focus on.
But notice Paul says this is what your were but this is what you are not as a result of being sanctifies and justified in Christ.
But we forget
Matthew 25:31-45
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
We can focus on the works of the flesh but neglect works of love.
Luke 10:27
So he answered and said, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
I think the problem is that as believers we define sin according to
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
and that is what we focus on.
But notice Paul says this is what your were but this is what you are not as a result of being sanctifies and justified in Christ.
But we forget
Matthew 25:31-45
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
We can focus on the works of the flesh but neglect works of love.
Luke 10:27
So he answered and said, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”