Not By Works
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Either your comprehension is off, or you totally misunderstood. WORKS DO NOT SAVE US. Whether saved or not, works DO NOT save us. Nor do they get us into heaven. And stop misquoting me, I NEVER said that we don't have to do works. Of course we do. BUT WE DON'T DO THEM TO GET INTO HEAVEN. And no, coffee isn't in order, if you'd READ what I said, you'd see I already had coffee. 
So NO, even if I do many good works per day, they will NOT get me, nor you, into heaven.
So NO, even if I do many good works per day, they will NOT get me, nor you, into heaven.
Either your comprehension is off, or you totally misunderstood. WORKS DO NOT SAVE US. Whether saved or not, works DO NOT save us. Nor do they get us into heaven. And stop misquoting me, I NEVER said that we don't have to do works. Of course we do. BUT WE DON'T DO THEM TO GET INTO HEAVEN. And no, coffee isn't in order, if you'd READ what I said, you'd see I already had coffee.
So NO, even if I do many good works per day, they will NOT get me, nor you, into heaven.
So NO, even if I do many good works per day, they will NOT get me, nor you, into heaven.
No need for you to continue protecting yourself. It can't be done...
We're NOT DISCUSSING WORKS HERE.
But WHAT YOU SAID.
And how you should be careful what you say since it was very confusing and you were using it to deride me.
Hi D,
And after your are saved, being made righteous, holy and justified, has Jesus empowered you to say no to sin?
As you walk this Christian life are you being sanctified to obey the commands of Jesus? Have you been set free from the bondage to sin and are set free to live in righteousness where you will begin to obey the Lord and sin less and less as you continue in sanctification?
YOU are one of the people who continually misunderstands. YOU are one of the people who thinks works will get you into heaven, that works will save you, and that works must be done continually to keep salvation.. And you didn't post any misunderstanding. You just refuse to believe the truth. NOT my problem.
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Does she really? Or do you misunderstand her stance?
Could you show me a post were she is teaching works salvation?
Last post I read she was talking about the need to Do good works after you are saved, which everyone here that I know of supports. Of course if we always say "God works through us to do those good works" folks would fight less.
Could you show me a post were she is teaching works salvation?
Last post I read she was talking about the need to Do good works after you are saved, which everyone here that I know of supports. Of course if we always say "God works through us to do those good works" folks would fight less.
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and you wonder why we have such confrontations.
I could take it you questioned my salvation also? Since yiou insinuated I think I need God to do my work?
Do you want to discuss or not?
I may nt be good in spelling, But I know how to read. and I saw what you did
I said, IT SOUNDS LIKE,,
now if that is questioning your salvation. then I do not know what else to say.
ps. Why did you never respond to what I said? About trying to replace the work of God wiht our own works? Did you have a comment?
Ok,, By this, I do question your gospel. What do you mean I would nit be condemned? How could I get to heaven if Jesus did nto die on the cross? The law would condemn me..
as for how did they get saved, I already answered, the cross..
God "Looked over their sin" because of their faiht, until the cross came.. That is what scripture states. If not for the cross. they would be condemned also.
The atonement IS the cross. The lamb of God was Jesus
Atonement, Someone had to atone for our sin, We could not do it. (without the cross, we are condemned)
the OT priest made atonement by sacrificing an innocent unblemished animal in place of the sinner, and pouring the blood on the seat of atonement, That way God can pass over the sin (he could not see the charges he had against them)
Jesus fulfilled this symbolic institute by shedding his own atoning blood on the cross.
No one denies works or bearing fruit after salvation and the dual aspect of sanctification (sanctified in Christ positionally when saved) and then in our DAILY walk is a process of growth and maturity...we are changed outwardly because of the change inwardly. Being TRANSFORMED by the renewing of the mind which is the study and application of the word....SURE we SIN less and LESS but will never be SINLESS until we have a glorified body....
HOWEVER...the works, fruit and walk does not change one's salvation, justification, sealing and sanctification in Christ positionally which was based upon the genuine act of faith that saved!