Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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Sooo those who have saving faith in Jesus, won't do works? That's a new concept..
I know.....there is a word that describes such action...it is called...vacillating.........and the cake takers vacillate more than a stalk of wheat on a windy day........
Yeah...look in the mirror and apply your own "stick" to yourself FRAN......my point is valid......
What was your point? I forget.
Oh, yes.
You were insulting someone again.
You do like to do this, don't you.
Mathew 15:10-11
BTW, please post a comment of mine insulting someone and THEN I'll look in the mirror.
Thanks.
I did not insult anyone...just posted a fact about how cake takers vacillate....and You do it all the time.....in a very subtle way...maybe your blind to it or just deny it.....either way you do it......so.......
I did not insult anyone...just posted a fact about how cake takers vacillate....and You do it all the time.....in a very subtle way...maybe your blind to it or just deny it.....either way you do it......so.......
If you're going to accuse someone of something,
you have to be ready to prove it.
Please provide proof of your accusation
OR
STOP accusing...
If they're are so readily available, then please do post one.
JUST ONE. Where I insulted you.
I do believe you CANNOT POST ONE because it never happened.
If you're not ready to back up your insults, STOP INSULTING.
I will no longer be taking part in threads you begin. Unfortuantely I did not know your method when I first came here.
Your method is that of insulting people and calling them names INSTEAD OF ANSWERING THEM WITH FACTS.
Like for instance, when you call people cake takers, telling them they vacillate insinuating that they don't kinow what they're talking about, telling them to look in the mirror when a post is made about how Jesus said it is more important what comes OUT OF THE MOUTH than what goes INTO IT, when it WAS YOU, who made remarsk and YOUR mouth they came out of,
NONE ever came out of mine, so why say I should look in the mirror?
Because all you know how to do is INSULT.
If this is what this forum is for, the the mod should not advise you that you are doing wrong.
If this forum is to discuss biblical concepts then the mod SHOULD advise you to STOP INSULTING PEOPLE.
That would be nice.
YOU regularly mouth me behind my back and make snide remarks FRAN.......
You and Dcon are very good at a fallacy.
It's called the red herring fallacy.
Look it up on google.
Instead of answering my question, you bring up a totally different topic and then talk about...
Thanks dcontroversal.
It doesn't cost anything to be nice!!
Interesting how you got a like from Ariel, whom I find to be a loving person, and dcontroversal, whom I find to be always in the fighting mode and insulting mode. There is very little use in...
So telling me I'm too much and that I need another cup of coffee, and that I'm protecting myself, aren't insults? WOW..
I got to laugh. A description of some peoples behaviour can be regarded as an insult
or a compliment. However you describe anything there is always a subjective element.
It means these discussion on who is doing what becomes circular. This is why Jesus talked
about turning the other cheek, because it is not relevant the wind ups. It is though good
training, to focus on the subject which is why do people claim behaviour is not relevant when
God judges everyone based on behaviour.
Jesus brings us the power to walk in love and speak the truth. Unless one has a pure heart
it will always be spun into an unfortunate slant. So the term snide is used as if this was actually
an intention.
As kids we all probably had sarcasm challenges, so we know the score.
I am a cake eater, because Christ gave me eternal life in the cross, and I desire to possess
it through His grace and power. It does not matter what others mean, you just take it and
use it as part of your life an illustration. Christ took everything His enemies said and showed
how empty it was. Love is what we all desire, and to walk as Jesus walked.
So let us encourage each other to walk deeper in the things of Christ and His praise. Amen
or a compliment. However you describe anything there is always a subjective element.
It means these discussion on who is doing what becomes circular. This is why Jesus talked
about turning the other cheek, because it is not relevant the wind ups. It is though good
training, to focus on the subject which is why do people claim behaviour is not relevant when
God judges everyone based on behaviour.
Jesus brings us the power to walk in love and speak the truth. Unless one has a pure heart
it will always be spun into an unfortunate slant. So the term snide is used as if this was actually
an intention.
As kids we all probably had sarcasm challenges, so we know the score.
I am a cake eater, because Christ gave me eternal life in the cross, and I desire to possess
it through His grace and power. It does not matter what others mean, you just take it and
use it as part of your life an illustration. Christ took everything His enemies said and showed
how empty it was. Love is what we all desire, and to walk as Jesus walked.
So let us encourage each other to walk deeper in the things of Christ and His praise. Amen
Sooo those who have saving faith in Jesus, won't do works? That's a new concept..
If I had a dime for every time a worker for or cake taker accused those who believe in grace through faith salvation of denying works or fruit I would have at least another couple of hundred in my pocket.....
AMEN........the condemnation of the law has bee removed....amen to that....yet like John states, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceived and the truth is not in us."
the transgressions committed under the first covenant. you would have to be jewish who had a law.
was he talking to a jewish convert or a gentile convert. to Christianity
answersingenesis.orgacts 15 already proves your statement false. hebs 9 v 15 also proves this statement to be false.
you were not saved from a law, you were not born into an old covenant.
so must be how you twist the scripture or the lie you believe and still blinded by acts 2, also prove the new covenant was in place.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
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21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2:
bind that , you who think ,you have authority , still holding to a law that was never given to you.
.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.
bind that , you who think ,you have authority , still holding to a law that was never given to you.
.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.
It ceases to amaze me how many people take pride in being called a sinner saved by grace, instead of a son or daughter who is sin forgiven and will sin after conversion.
Satan just loves sinners saved by grace...because they have failed to receive divine revelation of the position they have in Christ Jesus.....
SINNER=OLD MAN
SAINT=NEW MAN IN CHRIST, WHO WILL STILL SIN AND is NOT AT ALL SINLESS OR PERFECT....
Most of you are arguing about committing SIN after conversion.....instead of correctly understanding who you are and your position in Christ after conversion.
If you take pride in still being a SINNER after you got saved...you are not really saved and you really have no idea what salvation is....
Jesus died so that you would be a new creation and new man....the old man[sinner] died with Christ and the new man[saint] is risen into newness of life with Christ...this doe snot mean we are sinless perfection, it means we will still SIN, but my title is son of God, not sinner saved by grace....
Satan just loves sinners saved by grace...because they have failed to receive divine revelation of the position they have in Christ Jesus.....
SINNER=OLD MAN
SAINT=NEW MAN IN CHRIST, WHO WILL STILL SIN AND is NOT AT ALL SINLESS OR PERFECT....
Most of you are arguing about committing SIN after conversion.....instead of correctly understanding who you are and your position in Christ after conversion.
If you take pride in still being a SINNER after you got saved...you are not really saved and you really have no idea what salvation is....
Jesus died so that you would be a new creation and new man....the old man[sinner] died with Christ and the new man[saint] is risen into newness of life with Christ...this doe snot mean we are sinless perfection, it means we will still SIN, but my title is son of God, not sinner saved by grace....
The question I have is, is this state of sin and act of sin, a constant?
As in, if I analyse using time, am I sinning constantly, or in bursts, or phases?
Have I sinned in the last 1 second? How about in the last nanosecond?
Therefore in the notion of sinlessness, do people refer to a sinless life, or simply having moments of sinlessness? Is this really an impossibility to be sinless even for one moment?
If we are incapable of sinless moments, then surely we are incapable of being holy, or walking with spirit?
Holy and sinful do not really go together.
I can understand why some people might be waiting for the end and when they go to heaven, as they feel like the human state of being is a kind of hell that only gets washed away, and the body and flesh dissolved, when they go to heaven.
I like to think heaven is a place on earth. I believe every person no matter how good they are, has bad days because of biochemical changes in the body and flesh, causing them to sin, even if it's just anger.
So my question to those who bash people for having some kind of sinless perfection doctrine (which is actually just your perception and exaggeration of what they say), is, is it possible to have a sinless moment even for a nanosecond?
Yes or no? (this is the only question I am asking, the others are cues for thought)
As in, if I analyse using time, am I sinning constantly, or in bursts, or phases?
Have I sinned in the last 1 second? How about in the last nanosecond?
Therefore in the notion of sinlessness, do people refer to a sinless life, or simply having moments of sinlessness? Is this really an impossibility to be sinless even for one moment?
If we are incapable of sinless moments, then surely we are incapable of being holy, or walking with spirit?
Holy and sinful do not really go together.
I can understand why some people might be waiting for the end and when they go to heaven, as they feel like the human state of being is a kind of hell that only gets washed away, and the body and flesh dissolved, when they go to heaven.
I like to think heaven is a place on earth. I believe every person no matter how good they are, has bad days because of biochemical changes in the body and flesh, causing them to sin, even if it's just anger.
So my question to those who bash people for having some kind of sinless perfection doctrine (which is actually just your perception and exaggeration of what they say), is, is it possible to have a sinless moment even for a nanosecond?
Yes or no? (this is the only question I am asking, the others are cues for thought)
a. Nobody states that or implies that...another lie or misleading comment
b. God loves sinners saved by grace so to equate that to Satan show how ignorant the point is
c. EVERY one acknowledges what a SAINT is IN CHRIST
d. Your taking pride loss of salvation comment is false....as proven by the Corinthian brother
e. All the saved are the children of GOD having been a SINNER saved and justified by grace and faith!