Not By Works

[Ariel82]

I don't have time to argue with you PeterJens.

So if I don't respond to any of your questions or false accusations....it's because I am ignoring you.

I don't have any more time to show you how your words hurt others.


Or have a back and forth explaining what you mean or trying to show you of how your words could be misunderstood.

For a while I tried out of love.

But it's not love when you never learn from your past mistakes but continue to attack and attack and make misleading post about what others post and then attack your strawmen.
.All it is is tiring.

So I will leave you to your delusions and talk to people who actually listen and can hold a rational conversation without flinging false accusations at me and others daily.

It is a delusion to think calling a brother in Christ "nutcase" is not sinful and wrong.

It's an accusation to call someone a "hyper legalist"

 

[Ariel82]

Matthew 5
21“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. 23So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. 26Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.

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To call someone a "fool" is to tell them they don't know God and don't have the Holy Spirit within them. Its a serious accusation, but too many on CC make it daily and have yet to show any signs of remorse.


If you call someone "lost", are they lost sheep or have you already judged them in your hearts as goats and your enemy?

So lost sheep or have you already labeled them fools in your heart?

Many people murder others in their heart daily.

 

[Ariel82]

Murder is more than the physical act.

Anger must be judge as either justified or not. Both justified and unjustified anger must be given to God daily before sunset or you allow Satan a foothold into your mind and heart.

From that foothold, Satan builds a stronghold of anger and bitterness. He whispers lies to you about the other person and destroys your love for them, until out of your bitter heart you insult them....Jesus then says you are in need of counsel. If you don't listen to counsel, you continue and call them a "fool" which is someone who doesn't know God.

This crime is like what the Pharisees did when they told Jesus He healed because of power Satan and not God.

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If people want to teach the Law, then teach as Jesus did.

This is how Satan works to build spiritual strongholds in your hearts and minds that cause people to condemn others with their words. It is because in their hearts they have already murdered them, acording to the teachings of JESUS.

.though many will deny it because they claim to "see" yet are blind to their own sins and seek only to have others punished for the hurt caused to them and not repent of the harm they cause others.

 

[PennEd]

I'm not preaching a works salvation.

Broadly my beliefs, which can all be backed up by scripture into a harmonious whole:
- saved by grace through faith (unmerited - gift from God). This faith has as EVIDENCE Godly works, and is EVIDENCE of true faith.
- our new birth by the grace of God allows us to live in victory over sin. The bible says so (irrespective of how many Christians are either succeeding or failing on this front). The bible says so. So its true and possible to those with faith. Even faith the size of a mustard seed.
- in this new life (old man crucified, putting on the new man), we are to by the Spirit put to death the misdeeds of the body.
-we are created for Godly works prepared beforehand by our Lord.
- all of this requires our co-operation with the plan of God. We are not ROBOTS. We have a choice with the free will restored to us.
- sin is particularly dangerous, as there is a progression. That is why repentance is still a very necessary step, even in a believers life.
- unaddressed sin can lull a believer away from the purity of faith in God. You begin to Quench the Spirit 1 Thessalonians 5v19.
- this leads to unbelief (falling away - plenty scriptures showing evidence - you just don't want to recognise this)
- when sin is fully grown it brings forth death. Unbelief.
- at this point, its impossible to renew again to repentance that person who has treated the blood covenant with Christ as a common thing.

In a nutshell.

So, please, I dont know how many times I've been accused on this forum about pushing a works based salvation gospel. That's because of people either not really reading what I'm saying, or instead filling in the gaps. I however do not believe in OSAS.

Yeah. All this says you want to be a fruit inspector who is trying to maintain the supposedly free gift you received.
You may be able to lose your salvation, but I know I can't lose mine, because I know the One who keeps it. And He has said He would never leave nor forsake me.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Peter says God will judge US, but God will also judge HIM for calling others who disagree with him, such derogatory names as psychopaths, insane, nutjobs, loons, and the like. :/

 

[preacher4truth]

I'm not preaching a works salvation...

Yes, you actually are.

I however do not believe in OSAS.

See?

 

[dcontroversal]

So what if He does? Do I break the law purposefully because He calls me an unprofitable servant? Or do I uphold the law?

What would you do?

Trust Jesus biblically instead of works and religion....called FAITH.....so....it is either grace or works.....not a blended pseudo working for cake taking religion....

 

[dcontroversal]

These are works. We are talking about upholding the moral law or not. Murder does not fit into the category of wood, hay or stubble.

David.....Uriah......more cake taking here in this post ^

 

[dcontroversal]

Actually I can, I just wanted to see if you are honest or playing games.

Oh make no mistake with this one...he will take a quote, cut a part of it, embellish it, say you are implying one thing and then in a few posts totally alleviate what you originally said and really make it say something you have not said...nothing but a cake taking worker for that is as deceptive as they come

 

[Chris1975]

Trust Jesus biblically instead of works and religion....called FAITH.....so....it is either grace or works.....not a blended pseudo working for cake taking religion....

[SUP]14 [/SUP]What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? [SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.


[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.



It's not me, but you, who disagrees with the above scriptures.

 

[Chris1975]

Yes, you actually are.



See?

Your lack of comprehension doesn't need a defense from me.

 

[dcontroversal]

You cannot have eternal life without following Jesus. I can assure you that.

Thank for the welcome. Yeah been on here just a few days.

I fixed your erroneous statement.....

You cannot have eternal life without BELIEVING INTO Jesus BIBLICALLY BY FAITH VOID OF WORKS. I can assure you that.

 

[dcontroversal]

[SUP]14 [/SUP]What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? [SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.


[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.



It's not me, but you, who disagrees with the above scriptures.

No actually it is your rejection and ignorance of context that disagrees with me....and as long as you yank James out of context while denying Paul in Romans.....your destiny will be sealed

Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:8-10, Romans 3 and 4, John 3:36

THEREFORE we CONCLUDE that a man is justified (before GOD) by FAITH without the deeds (works) of the law!

No matter how many times you reject this and twist JAMES it will not save you pal

 

[Ariel82]

Yes, you actually are.



See?

No it would be helpful if folks explained WHY they believe IN OSAS...

 

[Chris1975]

No actually it is your rejection and ignorance of context that disagrees with me....and as long as you yank James out of context while denying Paul in Romans.....your destiny will be sealed

Whilst you can make up "any context" to force fit your heresy. Romans and James are in perfect harmony.

I could just as easily say you yank out Romans whilst denying James.

 

[gb9]

No actually it is your rejection and ignorance of context that disagrees with me....and as long as you yank James out of context while denying Paul in Romans.....your destiny will be sealed

having pre-conceived thoughts, then plucking out verses to support them, while ignoring many other verses. ( not to mention chapters and verses were not added till 100's of years later) is big-time false teaching.

 

[PeterJens]

I don't have any more time to show you how your words hurt others.

It is a delusion to think calling a brother in Christ "nutcase" is not sinful and wrong.

It's an accusation to call someone a "hyper legalist"

The point is a nutcase is not a brother in Christ to me.
And I am calling your position on anger hyper legalistic.

I live with my judgements and explain why I come to them.

Jesus called the teachers of the law snakes. Now you can say I have no authority
to speak as I do. Well I stand before the Lord and on His word.

You condemned people of murder because they are angry with members of the public.
Jesus does not teach this. So you are condemning falsely, yet to you maybe that does
not matter. Murder is sin, and sin is serious.

And on the subject of being hurt, it is irrelevant if they are not saved and not going to be
with Jesus, willing to commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit on the drop of a hat, and
care little about scripture or Jesus's word.

Ariel, you trust people way too much, and see the best even when it is not there. I fear
for your future, I can only do what I do. God bless you, I understand your approach, but
as I have said, spiritually it is dangerous for you and you are making friends with the enemy.

 

[Ariel82]

Oh make no mistake with this one...he will take a quote, cut a part of it, embellish it, say you are implying one thing and then in a few posts totally alleviate what you originally said and really make it say something you have not said...nothing but a cake taking worker for that is as deceptive as they come

I will read his thread when I have time and come to my own conclusions.

I am stubborn like that.

He seems genuine so far and I have been to churches who hold his doctrine.

 

[dcontroversal]

The people under the old covenant are said to be children of Hagar and the Earthly Jerusalem. They don't get to inherit eternal life. They have the ministry of condemnation given to Moses on the stone tablets.

I thought the people under the old covenant were the children of Sarah and that Hagar and Ishmael were sent away.

BINGO..........

 

[gb9]

Whilst you can make up "any context" to force fit your heresy. Romans and James are in perfect harmony.

I could just as easily say you yank out Romans whilst denying James.

you do understand that Romans and James, and other than the Gospels, Acts, and Revelations , all the rest of the N.T. were letters. meant to be read, not chopped up into little pieces.