Rules Governing The Gift Of Tongues

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● 1Cor 14:39 . .Do not forbid speaking in tongues.

That rule applies only to people who actually have the gift of tongues
because according to Rom 12:4, 1Cor 12:10-11, 1Cor 12:29-30, and 1Cor
14:5 not everyone does.

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So people without the gift of tongues are allowed to forbid it?
 
1 Corinthians 12:

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.


The word "worketh" in 1 Cor 12:6 is the Greek word energōn (from the root energeō) and it means to energize. God is the One Who works within the believer to bring what is needed to the body of Christ.

The varieties of gifts of vs 4, the different ministries within the church of vs 5, and the various activities of vs 6 are all energized by the same God Who works all the gifts, ministries, and activities in all believers.

Since it is God Who energizes all in all, who are we to forbid His energizing?

We have no problem when God works within the believer to bring exhortation to the body (Rom 12:8). Why do we have a problem when God energizes tongues?

 
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According to Acts 2:4-11, the gift of tongues is supposed to enable the
giftees to be heard in a variety of honest to gosh, real-life languages.

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WebersHome said:
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According to Acts 2:4-11, the gift of tongues is supposed to enable the
giftees to be heard in a variety of honest to gosh, real-life languages.

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Not always, I knew a friend who has had a stutter issue all his life when talks and when we would talk he would stutter quite a lot sometimes i had to ask him to repeat what he was saying several times and he would get a little frustrated at himself and i had to let him know it's ok and to just repeat what he said.

However there was one time when we were praying and suddenly he started speaking gibberish it was in a group of people and he has never been one to be the center of attention he actually is pretty shy so i knew something was gong on but what really made me think something was happening was two things first he was not stuttering at all he was speaking this gibberish fluently as if it was just gushing out almost like he couldn't get it out fast enough.

And two there was a women in front of me who I have known has had it really hard lately you could even see how tried to cover the messed up eye liner around her eyes, she had a very fake happy but inside deeply depressed look all day and when i heard my friend speaking this gibberish her face lit up and was in tears they both seemed to be in a trance of some sort and I could sworn she was looking someone in shock next to her even though i didn't see anyone.

When my friend was done I asked him about what happened he didn't know what i was talking about. It was the only time i have ever encountered the gift of tongues and even now I am still astonished about it i mean my friend i didn't remember a thing and both him and this women appeared to either be in a trance or it was like they were in some other place while being here in this world at the same time and for some reason only the women understood what he was saying
 
WebersHome said:
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● 1Cor 14:39 . .Do not forbid speaking in tongues.

That rule applies only to people who actually have the gift of tongues
because according to Rom 12:4, 1Cor 12:10-11, 1Cor 12:29-30, and 1Cor
14:5 not everyone does.

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*** will discuss more later, but receiving the Holy Ghost and speaking with tongues is different from the 9 gifts of the Spirit*** tongues and interpretation of tongues is equal to the gift of prophecy...
 
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● 1Cor 14:27a . . If anyone speaks in a tongue, two-- or at the most three -
should speak; one at a time

People with the gift of tongues are not permitted to speak all at the same
time like a mob of howling political activists. That just simply isn't permitted
in church.

● 1Cor 14:23 . . So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks
in tongues, and some who do not understand, or some unbelievers come in,
will they not say that you are out of your mind?

One of the reasons why I get so annoyed by talk shows like Kathy Lee
Gifford and Hoda Kodb, and ABC's The View is because everyone talks all at
once like a bunch of undisciplined dogs barking and yapping in a kennel. And
the way they interrupt each other back and forth before the other can even
finish a sentence is one of the very things we teach children not to do. You'd
think those supposedly mature adults grew up without supervision the way
they conduct themselves in a conversation.

People with the gift of tongues are to take turns; speaking one at a time,
rather than an entire congregation of tonguers barking and yapping like dogs
in a kennel whenever they "feel the Spirit" moving them.

FYI: The fruit of the Spirit is self control (Gal 5:23). People claiming to feel
the Spirit really ought not to behave like a cage full of excited monkeys.

● 1 Cor 14:33 . . For God is not a God of disorder but of calm.

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WebersHome said:
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● 1Cor 14:27a . . If anyone speaks in a tongue, two-- or at the most three -
should speak; one at a time

People with the gift of tongues are not permitted to speak all at the same
time like a mob of howling political activists. That just simply isn't permitted
in church.

● 1Cor 14:23 . . So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks
in tongues, and some who do not understand, or some unbelievers come in,
will they not say that you are out of your mind?

One of the reasons why I get so annoyed by talk shows like Kathy Lee
Gifford and Hoda Kodb, and ABC's The View is because everyone talks all at
once like a bunch of undisciplined dogs barking and yapping in a kennel. And
the way they interrupt each other back and forth before the other can even
finish a sentence is one of the very things we teach children not to do. You'd
think those supposedly mature adults grew up without supervision the way
they conduct themselves in a conversation.

People with the gift of tongues are to take turns; speaking one at a time,
rather than an entire congregation of tonguers barking and yapping like dogs
in a kennel whenever they "feel the Spirit" moving them.

FYI: The fruit of the Spirit is self control (Gal 5:23). People claiming to feel
the Spirit really ought not to behave like a cage full of excited monkeys.

● 1 Cor 14:33 . . For God is not a God of disorder but of calm.

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*** your mixing the Gift of the Holy Spirit with the prayer/praise language, with the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit*** tongues and interpretation of tongues is equal to prophecy and are to be used in the order you mentioned...
 
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● 1 Cor 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

That's just it. God only knows what's coming out of the tonguer's mouth-- they might even be cussing! I should think that's at least one of the reasons why people ought to pray in a language they understand.

A charismatic once informed me that he prayed in a tongue because he couldn't express his deepest feelings any other way. Mind you this was an American adult of almost fifty years old; educated in America and spoke, wrote, and read English his entire life. So I asked him how it is that his command of the English language was so poor that he could only express his thoughts in a language that not even he himself could either identify or understand?

● 1Cor 14:14-15 . . For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

ps: My charismatic friend should to try expressing love for his wife in a tongue and see how she feels about it.

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WebersHome said:
People with the gift of tongues are to take turns; speaking one at a time,
rather than an entire congregation of tonguers barking and yapping like dogs
in a kennel whenever they "feel the Spirit" moving them.
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In agreement that in the church speaking in tongues should be one (followed by interpretation of tongues) then another (again followed by interpretation).

Decently and in order as stated in 1 Cor 14:40.
 
WebersHome said:
● 1 Cor 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

That's just it. God only knows what's coming out of the tonguer's mouth-- they might even be cussing! I should think that's at least one of the reasons why people ought to pray in a language they understand.
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Cussing? Seriously???

God is the One Who energizes the manifestation of tongues. You really believe God is going to energize the person who speaks in tongues and have him/her cuss?
 
reneweddaybyday said:

Cussing? Seriously???

God is the One Who energizes the manifestation of tongues. You really believe God is going to energize the person who speaks in tongues and have him/her cuss?
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That certainly would present a problem for those who believe all tongues spoken in the modern church are of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
@Blain

Modern tongues originate from the subconscious mind - a person who stutters will not stutter when they produce speech from the subconscious mind; the best example of this is talking in one's sleep. typically, they will not stutter when talking in their sleep (even though they may stutter in their dreams) so it stands to reason they will not stutter when engaged in glossolalia. Though singing is certainly not a subconscious thing, people who stutter do not do so when they sing. Less anxiety; the mind is more relaxed.

@WebersHome - 1 Cor. 14:2 describes real language; known to the speaker, but foreign and unknown to those listening to him; thus, he is speaking only to God (since no one else understands a word he's saying) and tho those people, he's speaking "mysteries" (i.e. mysteries only because they haven't a clue what he's saying). He could theoretically say whatever he wanted.
 
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● 1Cor 13:8-10 . .Whether there be tongues, they shall cease; yada, yada,
yada, yada.

God introduced tongues during the Tower Of Babel incident recorded in Gen
11:1-9. He did that to break up world unification. Apparently it was God's
judgment that world unification in those days was not a good thing. Well;
the language barrier remains in place today; so I'm assuming that world
unification in our day is still not a good thing.

In other words: today's world is an imperfect world. But according to 2Pet
3:1-13 and the 21st chapter of Revelation, a new world order is on its way;
a perfect world that can be trusted with global unification so there will be no
need for a control measure to thwart an all-out proliferation of evil.

But until that perfect world is up and running, there will continue to be a
need for the gift of tongues so that Jesus' followers can fulfill his edict to "Go
into all the world and preach the gospel to everyone everywhere." and to
"Teach them all things whatsoever I have commanded you."

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You comment implies 'tongues' as real language; which, of course they were/are.
 
Kavik said:
@Blain

Modern tongues originate from the subconscious mind - a person who stutters will not stutter when they produce speech from the subconscious mind; the best example of this is talking in one's sleep. typically, they will not stutter when talking in their sleep (even though they may stutter in their dreams) so it stands to reason they will not stutter when engaged in glossolalia. Though singing is certainly not a subconscious thing, people who stutter do not do so when they sing. Less anxiety; the mind is more relaxed.

@WebersHome - 1 Cor. 14:2 describes real language; known to the speaker, but foreign and unknown to those listening to him; thus, he is speaking only to God (since no one else understands a word he's saying) and tho those people, he's speaking "mysteries" (i.e. mysteries only because they haven't a clue what he's saying). He could theoretically say whatever he wanted.
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your point is interesting. However, it is out of context 1cor 12, 13, 14 talk about an " Unknown Tongue " which means unlearned or not of native language . the context of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit acually start in 1cor 11 and is finished in 1cor 14 many make the mistake of only picking a verse here or there in each chapter . That is not how you read and get the understanding of anything you read. Think if some read the way they work on car as a mechanic your car would never be fixed . that is why the Context is important

Not congeal thought
 
Kavik said:
@Blain

Modern tongues originate from the subconscious mind - a person who stutters will not stutter when they produce speech from the subconscious mind; the best example of this is talking in one's sleep. typically, they will not stutter when talking in their sleep (even though they may stutter in their dreams) so it stands to reason they will not stutter when engaged in glossolalia. Though singing is certainly not a subconscious thing, people who stutter do not do so when they sing. Less anxiety; the mind is more relaxed.

@WebersHome - 1 Cor. 14:2 describes real language; known to the speaker, but foreign and unknown to those listening to him; thus, he is speaking only to God (since no one else understands a word he's saying) and tho those people, he's speaking "mysteries" (i.e. mysteries only because they haven't a clue what he's saying). He could theoretically say whatever he wanted.
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Except for the fact of a few things, one he was speaking in a language that I have never heard of and he is a very serious person he would never make a show by speaking random gibberish and second the effect that it had on that women the instant he began speaking in tongues was not natural. If it was all in his head then this women would not have been affected as she was
 
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