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SovereignGrace · May 9, 2017

The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the Lord loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.[Deuteronomy 7:7,8]

Now, God's love is everlasting. If this love is everlasting...and it is...then it is unchangeable. If it is unchangeable, then if God loves everybody w/o exception, then His unchanging love has Him loving ppl in hell.

I want no part of that kind of love.

Rockrz · May 9, 2017

Exactly... we should be seeking the desire of the Lord not our own desires.

Once someone is tossed in to hell, I doubt very seriously that God ever thinks of them again because they have been totally separated from Him permanently

Rockrz · May 10, 2017

Yeah, I'll bet'cha lots of TV preachers don't like the book of James... specially that cat from Singapore and that other cat from Hong Kong and the cat from Houston!

James 1:19-25
Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

SovereignGrace · May 10, 2017

Rockrz said:

However, God is immutable and changes not. He is the same yesterday, today, yea and forever. His love is an everlasting love. If He no more thinks of them, then He no longer loves them and is no more immutable.

eternally-gratefull · May 10, 2017

SovereignGrace said:

God did not chose to save Isreal He saved gentile as well as Isreal.

So the point is mute, God loved the whole world.. He said so. You saying no he did not just puts more fuel to the fire of the unsaved world thinking you think you are better than them

and again, There is nothing you can say to stop it..

We are supposed to love the people of the world. and make disciples of them, not make them feel unloved and like lower people.

eternally-gratefull · May 10, 2017

oldethennew said:

He wants everyone, He is willing that non shall be lost but all come to repentance. He loved the world (all) so much, he gave his life for her.

Many are called, few are chosen. The reason they are chosen or predestined is what seperates the issue.

You have the fatalistic view (god decided and nothing anyone can do) and you have the foreknowledge view (God foreknew who would obey the gospel)

Yet for a few select, it can not be a minor disagreement, it has to be an all out war.. We see it in here..

eternally-gratefull · May 10, 2017

SovereignGrace said:

Thats why we want no part in faltalism, or calvanism, or whatever youw ant to call it.

God loved that person he will have to send to hell.. He offered them salvation like he offered it to you and I, They turned him down and said no for whatever reason.

He did not send them to hell, they sent themselves to hell. Why? Because as paul said, They hid the truth about God and loved their sin more than they loved God (they wanted to be their own God, they even made false Gods which would bow to their will)

eternally-gratefull · May 10, 2017

SovereignGrace said:

Now I am confused, You said you want no part of a God that loved people in hell earlier, Now your saying if he does not love them he is not basically God.

Which is it?

SovereignGrace · May 10, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

God is immutable and changes not. Now, if He loves everyone, that love is unchangeable, seeing He is immutable. You're saying God loves everyone w/o exception. If He loves everyone w/o exception, then His everlasting love is extended to them still, while in hell.

sevenseas · May 10, 2017

SovereignGrace said:

yeah

I don't know about that

what about the people the Bible says He hates?

your 'logic' is so convoluted I had to cancel out half my brain to understand what you are trying to say LOL!

preacher4truth · May 10, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

The Scriptures declare it as truth, rather, searching the truth from Scripture has lead to the conclusions of the truth known as The Doctrines of Grace, Reformed Theology, Calvinism. So that's what we call this doctrine derived from Scripture: the truth.

sevenseas · May 10, 2017

lonestar26 said:

who dat? inquiring minds want to know

sevenseas · May 10, 2017

preacher4truth said:

the TRUTH is a person. Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God.

that's what you religion inna box people cannot seem to keep in mind

Grace777x70 · May 10, 2017

Originally Posted by lonestar26

I guess lying about someone having 2 usernames when they never did is not lying at all.

sevenseas said:

He was slandered by another poster who disagreed with him on a subject. He accused "lonestar26" of being someone else who changed their moniker in order to try to diminish and insult what he was saying that conflicted with his views.

Typical bad behavior that happens amongst us sometimes but the truth is lonestar26 did not do what he was slandered about.

lonestar26 · May 10, 2017

SovereignGrace said:

this is where the error of your theology is evident. God's love is not an emotion as you suppose it is.

God IS love, it is who he is and yes, despite the deception you are neck deep in, that perfect love will love someone straight to hell, despite the anguish it causes him.

This is where the elect/predestined theology falls apart. You guys cannot fathom or understand that its about relationship with Father, a 2 way loving relationship. You are mired down in dogma, definitions, intellectualism and have no understanding of his LOVE.

You doing have relationship because you cannot even begin to understand the new realities of the divine nature and that you are made a new creation in Christ. You give it lip service but have no understanding because you have already been elected, so you strive to be the good son and produce fruit to make your election sure.

Reformed Calvinists are the most confused and deceived in the body.

lonestar26 · May 10, 2017

SovereignGrace said:

Yes and the Bible confirms this.

lonestar26 · May 10, 2017

preacher4truth said:

Do not mock the Word of God, what you follow was made made based on his own understandings. You do not follow the whole counsel of the Word of God. You only adhere to what your Father Calvin taught you to believe.

lonestar26 · May 10, 2017

sevenseas said:

preacher4truth accused me of being lonestar26 and freenchrist separately and then at the same time, he relented to one of his own but has never apologized to me.

FreeNChrist · May 10, 2017

lonestar26 said:

Hey lonestar26, glad to meet ya. Welcome to the jungle. LOL.

Don't hold your breath, the self-righteous never apologize.

Rockrz · May 10, 2017

Well forgive him and move on... he probably forgot to take his meds er somethin

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