Is sin a rejection of Christ?

[PeterJens]

So trying to parse out that some sins we commit God is going to look the other way, and some He's REEEAAALLLY gonna zap us on, is an insult to His perfect Love and Grace, and if you keep on sinning by insulting His Grace, there is no more sacrifice for your sins.

A VERY dangerous place to be!

This is an unwise way of speaking. What you are saying is if people condemn themselves
for anything that is fine, no problem, they are sinners and fallen anyway, more condemnation
or trampling on who they are in Christ is not an issue.

God wrote the law so that we might know what is sin and what is not sinful. It is so people
do not end up forever rejecting themselves when He has made them holy, pure and right.

Get honest, and start to confess you sins for what they are, sins. And stop condemning
yourself for things that are not sinful, but to do with your own personality. Taking ownership
of these differences is part of growing up. Boundaries matter, they define the kingdom.

Some things are holy, some things are not. If you cannot tell the difference between the two,
which bible have you been reading, which temple have you studied and which God have you
been following?

You talk as if danger is something over there, and I am safe here. God help your soul.

 

[Chris1975]

must be nice to be perfect like you. maybe one day us reprobate can achieve your gold glowing holy perfection.

You are offended at the scriptures. Not at PeterJens. Your comment about PeterJens perfection is a judgement against the holy scriptures.

 

[limey410]

must be nice to be perfect like you. maybe one day us reprobate can achieve your gold glowing holy perfection.

Doubtful, we have to rely on the Grace and Mercy of the one true living God, I'm not sure where that's going to get me.

 

[limey410]

You are offended at the scriptures. Not at PeterJens. Your comment about PeterJens perfection is a judgement against the holy scriptures.

I'm actually offended by self righteous gas bags. But I get over it pretty quickly.

 

[gb9]

You are offended at the scriptures. Not at PeterJens. Your comment about PeterJens perfection is a judgement against the holy scriptures.

I am offended that he, you and others lecture us all the time about sin and holiness , yet seem to not have a grasp of what either really mean.

to him to knows to do good, and does not do so, to him it is sin. so, if you do not do the right thing every hour of every day, then you , he, and I are sinners.


so if you, he or anyone else does not admit and agree to this, then he, you, and anyone else is a lair.

 

[PeterJens]

must be nice to be perfect like you. maybe one day us reprobate can achieve your gold glowing holy perfection.

gb9 - What sins are you saying make you a reprobate?
I urge you to search God out and His heart, and humble yourself before the throne, for there
is great forgiveness and love, the power to conquer all our failures, and walk in His wonderful
light.

 

[Chris1975]

I am offended that he, you and others lecture us all the time about sin and holiness , yet seem to not have a grasp of what either really mean.

to him to knows to do good, and does not do so, to him it is sin. so, if you do not do the right thing every hour of every day, then you , he, and I are sinners.


so if you, he or anyone else does not admit and agree to this, then he, you, and anyone else is a lair.

I do not lower the scriptures to my standards. I raise my standards to that of the scriptures.

Make sense?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You really are stuck on sin. For you victory only comes when you win this battle against sin. The battle has already been won. Christ has the victory, and our inheritance is Him, ergo I also have the victory. Sheesh, this topic really gets old with you. Grow up in Christ and embrace the victory and live in peace, out of the abundance of what has already been given to you.

when your stuck in the chains and bondage of law and works. This is all you have, You have to promote self and how good you are in order to feel good about yourself.

It usually takes the form of judging all these sinners.. While refusing to admit your a sinner yourself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Limey, simple question to you. Are you free to commit adultery? Yes or No? If yes (then why?). If no (then why?).

Are you free to lie cheat steel? Have road rage, Take a night off when you do not feel like serving someone?

Why do you people always focus on the deep sins, and reject the little sins, Just like the pharisee did,, You clean the outside, while the inside is filthy.

Why do you not take them as your example and see how you are just like them.

 

[gb9]

I do not lower the scriptures to my standards. I raise my standards to that of the scriptures.

Make sense?

makes perfect sense. you think you do not sin. you lie.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am free to do anything but not everything is beneficial. I have true freedom in Christ, that freedom was not granted to me for the purpose to go out and indulge my flesh, but that freedom was granted to me. I am free from the judgement of sin, by the action of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. My relationship with Christ is one where I rely on Him, and I focus on Him and I walk with Him. I hope as a result of this I sin less frequently.

Your not bound by law, so your free in the fact that you can serve others, and not be tempted by sin that your trying so hard not to do..

 

[PeterJens]

I am offended that he, you and others lecture us all the time about sin and holiness , yet seem to not have a grasp of what either really mean.

to him to knows to do good, and does not do so, to him it is sin. so, if you do not do the right thing every hour of every day, then you , he, and I are sinners.

so if you, he or anyone else does not admit and agree to this, then he, you, and anyone else is a lair.

James is addressing a simple problem. People were in need among the fellowship.
Some were wealthy and capable of helping yet were doing nothing.

James is saying if you know you should be helping but are doing nothing, then that
very thing is a sin to you if you do not do it.

Now to a weak conscience, if you pass the dinner table and it needs clearing, you
should do it or it is sin. Or anything else you should do which you feel disappointed
about it is now sin. You can in this morality end up with OCD, because the compulsion
has taken you over, from the actual ordering of work that needs doing every day.

This is a typical example of OCD and a weak conscience coming in to condemn someone
when Jesus loves them, and desires they freely choose how to express their love to others.

And this kind of morality is then turned that walking righteously in the Lord is hypocracy and
evil. This demonstrates how wrong it is to extend morality too far into the realm of self
condemnation.

Self condemners will always condemn the righteous.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You just cant handle true freedom, so you shackle yourself

Thats why they are so judgmental, They are shackled and do not even know it.. They are bound by law.. and they can;t even see it

 

[gb9]

Are you free to lie cheat steel? Have road rage, Take a night off when you do not feel like serving someone?

Why do you people always focus on the deep sins, and reject the little sins, Just like the pharisee did,, You clean the outside, while the inside is filthy.

Why do you not take them as your example and see how you are just like them.

this is exactly the point. they think that making a list of 5 things that the Word says to do, then doing them, and then making a list of 5 things not to do, and not doing them, they think this makes them perfect. self deceived they are............

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This post really belies the lack of understanding of the pure, perfect nature of God. He is NOT subjective! Uzzah learned that the hard way.

2 Samuel 6:
6 And when they came to Nachon’s threshing floor, Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled. 7 Then the anger of the Lord was aroused against Uzzah, and God struck him there for his error; and he died there by the ark of God. 8 And David became angry because of the Lord’s outbreak against Uzzah; and he called the name of the place Perez Uzzah[c] to this day.

Breaking the Law and sinning, whether unintentional, OR for what WE would consider "good" reasons, DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE LAW WAS BROKEN! And there are ALWAYS consequences to sin. If you are in Christ, one of the consequences, eternal death, has already been paid for.

You are constantly trying to lower God's perfect standard. He doesn't grade on a curve. If you are not perfect, YOU FAIL!

So trying to parse out that some sins we commit God is going to look the other way, and some He's REEEAAALLLY gonna zap us on, is an insult to His perfect Love and Grace, and if you keep on sinning by insulting His Grace, there is no more sacrifice for your sins.

A VERY dangerous place to be!

wow, great post!!

Amen, so much for the oopsies, or the "I did not mean it" or the "it was an accident" or the "well I had good reason" or whatever excuse they make to hide their own sin, and call it meaningless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So if I were to believe and by led by you, we could consider it the blind leading the blind.

Hey, look at it this way, If you did that, You could go out and judge sinners, And hit your chest praising God how holy you are!! and how your not like those filthy rotten sinners..

 

[Chris1975]

More scriptures you offend your flesh.....

You are under condemnation if you live according to the flesh:

Romans 8v1
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[SUP][a][/SUP] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Galatians 6 v7-8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

So you think you have liberty according to grace?


Romans 6v1
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Romans 6v15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

So the jackpot questions are these:
1) Can we continue to sin freely?
2) Do we need to stop?
3) Is turning from sin a work of law or a work of grace?

 

[gb9]

James is addressing a simple problem. People were in need among the fellowship.
Some were wealthy and capable of helping yet were doing nothing.

James is saying if you know you should be helping but are doing nothing, then that
very thing is a sin to you if you do not do it.

Now to a weak conscience, if you pass the dinner table and it needs clearing, you
should do it or it is sin. Or anything else you should do which you feel disappointed
about it is now sin. You can in this morality end up with OCD, because the compulsion
has taken you over, from the actual ordering of work that needs doing every day.

This is a typical example of OCD and a weak conscience coming in to condemn someone
when Jesus loves them, and desires they freely choose how to express their love to others.

And this kind of morality is then turned that walking righteously in the Lord is hypocracy and
evil. This demonstrates how wrong it is to extend morality too far into the realm of self
condemnation.

Self condemners will always condemn the righteous.

James meant exactly what he meant. this is a watering down of what knowing to good and not doing so means.

see, here is what self-righteous folks do. they rehash and redefine clear Scripture, so in their minds ( not in reality ) they do not sin.

and I do not condem righteous people. you sure ain't one.

 

[limey410]

Your not bound by law, so your free in the fact that you can serve others, and not be tempted by sin that your trying so hard not to do..

I was being a little tongue in cheek, this thread is funny in it's ridiculousness ??????

 

[gb9]

More scriptures you offend your flesh.....

You are under condemnation if you live according to the flesh:

Romans 8v1
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[SUP][a][/SUP] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Galatians 6 v7-8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

So you think you have liberty according to grace?


Romans 6v1
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Romans 6v15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

So the jackpot questions are these:
1) Can we continue to sin freely?
2) Do we need to stop?
3) Is turning from sin a work of law or a work of grace?

here is the real jackpot question- are you sinless and perfect or not?? ( here is a hint- not ).