Not By Works
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Thank you Ariel. Do you have any pets? My daughter loves her doggies 
She works as a vet assistant... when I was much younger, really quite young actually, I thought I wanted to work with animals, but it occurred to me eventually that being a vet or something similar would mean I was dealing with sick, injured, and dying animals, and I found that disturbing enough, that after three years of wanting to be a vet, I changed my mind at eight years old and decided to be a social worker. That sat well with me for about five more years, until around the age of thirteen, it was too apparent to me how messed up people were, and how powerless I was to fix them, so again I changed my vocational ideas were rearranged.
I am really proud of my daughter for taking such good care of her pets. Maybe when I retire, and that gets closer all the time, I will work with sick and injured animals, helping to restore them to a healthy happy joy filled life where they are loved and cared for. I have seen many videos recently about animal rescues... this is one of my favourites... the shelter worker wrote and performed the song on this video story...
[video=youtube;QNrq5Lw4OQM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNrq5Lw4OQM&t=21s[/video]
She works as a vet assistant... when I was much younger, really quite young actually, I thought I wanted to work with animals, but it occurred to me eventually that being a vet or something similar would mean I was dealing with sick, injured, and dying animals, and I found that disturbing enough, that after three years of wanting to be a vet, I changed my mind at eight years old and decided to be a social worker. That sat well with me for about five more years, until around the age of thirteen, it was too apparent to me how messed up people were, and how powerless I was to fix them, so again I changed my vocational ideas were rearranged. I am really proud of my daughter for taking such good care of her pets. Maybe when I retire, and that gets closer all the time, I will work with sick and injured animals, helping to restore them to a healthy happy joy filled life where they are loved and cared for. I have seen many videos recently about animal rescues... this is one of my favourites... the shelter worker wrote and performed the song on this video story...
[video=youtube;QNrq5Lw4OQM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNrq5Lw4OQM&t=21s[/video]
1 Peter 4:17-19 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.
No it's not obvious at all. God can and apparently did according to the bible, choose people and ORDAINED them to bring forth fruit.
John 15:16 KJV
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Further, God chose us from the beginning FOR salvation by the sanctification of the spirit and BELIEF of the truth. Correct me with biblical evidence if I'm wrong, but we have NOTHING to do with our salvation. What are your thoughts? Did God choose us in his sovereign will or did we choose him?
2 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
John 15:16 KJV
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Further, God chose us from the beginning FOR salvation by the sanctification of the spirit and BELIEF of the truth. Correct me with biblical evidence if I'm wrong, but we have NOTHING to do with our salvation. What are your thoughts? Did God choose us in his sovereign will or did we choose him?
2 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
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Its impossible to be doing nothing, your only fooling yourself....You understand partially Philippians 2-13, but ignore verse 12, both are active dynamics in salvation...its man WORKING TOGETHER with God to achieve a relationship of love that can by NO MEANS be achieved through any other fashion...The apostle Paul said on 3 occasions that we are workers together with HIM..
In Philippians 2:12, notice that it says, "work out" your salvation not "work for" your salvation. This cannot refer to salvation by works (Ephesians 2:8-9), but it does refer to the believer's responsibility for active pursuit in the process of ongoing sanctification. Verse 13 continues, after a comma, "for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose."
You see Dcon,
here's your problem.
You've become like a parrot --- you just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again.
But do not supply any substance.
I felt it was important to say this...
Here's my post to which you're replying:
Originally Posted by FranC View Post
So you're answer is NO.
We are NOT to do works.
Then why did JESUS say this:
John 15:14-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)
14 You are my friends if you keep on doing what I command you.
Now read your reply to me.
I don't hear Jesus saying anything about salvation.
I don't believe He ever said that word once. Could you post if He did?
What He DID say was how we are to BEHAVE (haven't seen much good behavior here by a few)
And how we are to DO (which means works)
Mathew 5:2-10
Mathew 5:2-11
Mathew 6:48
Mathew 7:5
Mathew 7:21
Mathew 7.24
Mathew 15:11
Mathew 19:28
Mathew 22:21
Mathew 22:37-40
Mathew 25:35-36
Jesus said:
IF YOU KEEP ON DOING WHAT I COMMANDED YOU.
This is a command. Not a request.
It means if you don't do it.... Jesus will not be too pleased.
You should read those verses.
here's your problem.
You've become like a parrot --- you just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again.
But do not supply any substance.
I felt it was important to say this...
Here's my post to which you're replying:
Originally Posted by FranC View Post
So you're answer is NO.
We are NOT to do works.
Then why did JESUS say this:
John 15:14-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)
14 You are my friends if you keep on doing what I command you.
Now read your reply to me.
I don't hear Jesus saying anything about salvation.
I don't believe He ever said that word once. Could you post if He did?
What He DID say was how we are to BEHAVE (haven't seen much good behavior here by a few)
And how we are to DO (which means works)
Mathew 5:2-10
Mathew 5:2-11
Mathew 6:48
Mathew 7:5
Mathew 7:21
Mathew 7.24
Mathew 15:11
Mathew 19:28
Mathew 22:21
Mathew 22:37-40
Mathew 25:35-36
Jesus said:
IF YOU KEEP ON DOING WHAT I COMMANDED YOU.
This is a command. Not a request.
It means if you don't do it.... Jesus will not be too pleased.
You should read those verses.