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There is not one verse that states we are saved or kept saved by works.....any work or fruit produced is a by product of the salvation and faith one already possess in Christ......as matter of fact PAUL states clearly that ALL who preach or blend faith and works for salvation (to gain of keep) are foolish and bewitched and preaching a false gospel with no power and one that is double cursed......!


GALATIANS 1 and 3

You mean double-cursed, & still going to Heaven anyways?

You might ought to clarify.....
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If we believe NOT (after we have believed) HE abides faithful because he CANNOT DENY HIMSELF...........I will never leave thee NOR FORSAKE THEE.....

A son by birth is a son by birth REGARDLESS of what he does.....My son (DAVID PAUL) is my son by birth......H can leave my house, go to jail, move to the uttermost part of the earth, deny me, reject me, say he is not mine and NONE of those things will change the fact that he is MY SON BY BIRTH......I MAY grieve these things and take his inheritance away (loss of reward), but I cannot deny that he is my son by birth and remains my son by birth.......

You guys need to get over this farce that we can disown God and walk away and it causes the loss of our born again of incrruptable seed status...ONCE a son by BIRTH always a son BY BIRTH!
Satan & 1/3 of Heaven's angels rebelled from God, and they still belong to God because He made them.

Are they going to heaven, too?
 
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Ariel82

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You mean double-cursed, & still going to Heaven anyways?

You might ought to clarify.....
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Those folks Who are double cursed aren't going to Heaven.

If your foundation isn't Jesus Christ, then you are just building on shifting sand,
 
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Ariel82

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Satan & 1/3 of Heaven's angels rebelled from God, and they still belong to God because He made them.

Are they going to heaven, too?
Just because God made folks that doesn't mean He adopted them as His kids....Hagar and Sarah again.
 
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Ariel82

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Oh, IDK, the same things He told His people in the OT?

The same He told them in Rev 2 & 3? Repent, or I will.....
He didn't tell this to the people in the OT.

For those who overcome this world as He has, Jesus promises the following from Revelation 2 & 3

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11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

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To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
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26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches

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5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
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12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name

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To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
 
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Some truths that SHOULD be fairly obvious:

1.) There is no such thing as "hyper" grace. It's not even biblical, because the bible mentions NOTHING about hyper grace. There is ONLY grace, pure and simple.
Then there's no such thing as a rapture, the trinity, or all those other things we say we believe in because they're not mentioned in the Bible either.
2.) OSAS IS biblical. The bible states that the ONLY way to lose salvation is to deny God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. The bible does NOT say "if you lose faith, you get unsaved". That is a completely ridiculous concept.
No it isn't because it's not mentioned in the Bible.:rolleyes:
3.) Works do NOT save us. They do NOT keep us saved. They do NOT get us into heaven. We are to do them, as God commands us to, but not for the purpose of gaining or keeping salvation.
Works are evidence of faith, & James says you can't separate the two.
4.) The notion of daily salvation is silly. When you are already saved, you DON'T need to HOPE for daily salvation. And salvation should not be referred to as a "cookie". That just makes salvation sound like a reward that we can earn for being good people..
Then explain "He that endureth until the end, the same shall be saved". That says we're not saved till the end.
5. There is no such thing as sinless perfection. That phrase contradicts itself. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be perfect and sinless, in an evil, fallen world. We are NOT immortals yet..
True. Neither is there such a thing as sinful perfection, either.
 

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1 John 5:4 - For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
 
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Ariel82

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Matthew 24
9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10And then many will fall awaya and betray one another and hate one another. 11And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

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What exactly are believers enduring in the above verses?
 
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He didn't tell this to the people in the OT.

For those who overcome this world as He has, Jesus promises the following from Revelation 2 & 3

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11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

*****

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
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26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches

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5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
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12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name

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To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Aaannd..... to those christians that don't overcome?
 
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Matthew 24
9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10And then many will fall awaya and betray one another and hate one another. 11And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

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What exactly are believers enduring in the above verses?
Persecution & temptation.
 
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Ariel82

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Where is that scripture, Ariel82?
Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed.

Ephesians 2:19-20
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness."
 
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There is not one verse that states we are saved or kept saved by works.....any work or fruit produced is a by product of the salvation and faith one already possess in Christ......as matter of fact PAUL states clearly that ALL who preach or blend faith and works for salvation (to gain of keep) are foolish and bewitched and preaching a false gospel with no power and one that is double cursed......!

GALATIANS 1 and 3

Just a thought..... that means you can't judge me to Hell anymore because I have good works, & they are a by product of my salvation.

It has to be true, because you said it!!!;)
 
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Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed.

Ephesians 2:19-20
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness."
No, not those, the one where Paul says "double cursed".