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breno785au

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And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment, so also Christ was offered once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to all who are eagerly waiting for him.
Hebrews 9:27*-‬28
 
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Show from scripture that Jesus the Messiah is God.

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i'll go first:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
(John 1:1-5)

The Christ is that Word, who pitched His tent with us, came to His own, but wasn't known by them, who loved me, and gave Himself! He is the Light and the Resurrection and the Life!


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OK, your turn! Go!!

john 7:13 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."


acts 2:22-24 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


1 john 5:9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 john 5:1-5 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

matthew 17:5 "
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

2 peter 1:16-18 "
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

matthew 16:16-17 "
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

romans 1:4 "And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

James 1:13 "
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Matthew 4:1 "
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

John 20:17 "
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Mark 14:61-62But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, ....

mark 16:19 "
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.



 

SovereignGrace

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john 7:13 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."


acts 2:22-24 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


1 john 5:9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 john 5:1-5 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

matthew 17:5 "
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

2 peter 1:16-18 "
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

matthew 16:16-17 "
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

romans 1:4 "And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

James 1:13 "
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Matthew 4:1 "
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

John 20:17 "
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Mark 14:61-62But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, ....

mark 16:19 "
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.



This reeks of modalism...
 
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According to Revelation the final destination is not heaven, it is the new Jerusalem on the new earth, right?
it says it yeah.............. maybe some live in new heaven some in new earth??????????????
 

posthuman

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This is no challenge... something harder?
ok buddy, for you -- if this thread will grow, then the challenge will be to find more evidences of the deity of Christ that haven't been posted yet :)
in fact that's why i kicked it off with maybe the most obvious one!
 

Angela53510

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" Then He said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and observe My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Don’t be an unbeliever, but a believer.”28 Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:27-38

Granville Sharp rule, makes this kai, or "and" epexegetical. That means it describes the same person.

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while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13

Jesus is God is embedded in the Greek text of the NT, but sometimes it does not come through in the translations. Nearly every week we had examples of Jesus being God, and somehow they were not as strong and powerful in the English. Sorry, no examples right now. I just came in from gardening, and I need to get ready for supper. I"ll post if I find them.
 
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"Then He said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and observe My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Don’t be an unbeliever, but a believer.”28 Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:27-38

Granville Sharp rule, makes this kai, or "and" epexegetical. That means it describes the same person.

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while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." Titus 2:13

Jesus is God is embedded in the Greek text of the NT, but sometimes it does not come through in the translations. Nearly every week we had examples of Jesus being God, and somehow they were not as strong and powerful in the English. Sorry, no examples right now. I just came in from gardening, and I need to get ready for supper. I"ll post if I find them.

kjv "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
 
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This reeks of modalism...
probably because theres so much scripture that disagrees with you :)

1 john 4:15 "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

1 john 2:23 "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

seems as if Gods Will is that we honor His Son.

John 5:23 "That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

maybe because He Sent His Son to save the World?

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

1 john 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

did John not see Jesus? surely He saw him, even when transfigured. He seems pretty convinced of this

1 john 5:9-12 -"If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.


Jesus is the Christ, The Son of the Living God.

psalm 2:6-11 "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
 

ForthAngel

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probably because theres so much scripture that disagrees with you :)
How do you explain this from Hebrews? God applies characteristics to Christ that only God can possess. He also calls him God.

Hebrews 1:

8 But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
10 And,

“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
11 they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment,
12 like a robe you will roll them up,
like a garment they will be changed.
But you are the same,
and your years will have no end.”


Jesus is being referred to as YHWH here, Psalm 102 being referenced. Notice also that these things are what God the Father is saying of God the Son. Same in the KJV.

Hebrews 1:8-12King James Version (KJV)

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.



Is it your belief that Jesus is not God?
 

preacher4truth

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“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). Matthew 1:23
 

preacher4truth

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In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The *LORD is our righteousness.’ Jeremiah 23:6

(*Jehovah)
 

Magenta

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Magenta, when I saw your name my heart leapt and it makes me want to stay :)
Having said that, there are others too..
Awww that is so sweet of you to say...

I hope you enjoyed your time away :D

Maybe you can handle a little more of the battle dome now :)


 

Desertsrose

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Even the Jews knew he was saying He was God.

At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon. The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long will You keep us in suspense? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”


The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” John 10:22-33


 

breno785au

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Awww that is so sweet of you to say...

I hope you enjoyed your time away :D

Maybe you can handle a little more of the battle dome now :)


I just need to not engage or visit certain threads from certain people, and I should be right :rolleyes:

I love that gif, made me lol