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PeterJens

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Stephen63 said:
I did..... but, as always, you spread confusion & the readers don't know who to believe.
The end result? Popularity wins out.
Jesus said the world would hate the christian..... Yet popular people win arguments, build reps, & lure people away, all the while being loved for their attitudes.
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The real delusion is if you deal with real challenge or truth as if it is nothing or irrelevant you
can end up seemingly untouched. But the focus is in the truth of who Christ is in us.

We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
rom 6:4

[video=youtube;-XKxqqhOgVM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XKxqqhOgVM[/video]
 
Stephen63

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Ariel82 said:
What I find delusional is that you think folks would lie about what they believe to keep me happy.

I don't "project my views" on other people, that would be your log you are seeing,

What happens is that I actually talk and listen to folks and we discuss what the Holy Spirit has revealed to us.

I think G777 talks funny, but we can have a decent conversation if he stops cutting and pasting from his favorite preachers. However we don't agree on certain topics, like the Bible promising physical health to everyone.

Dcon and I don't agree on everything either.

I am sure that if I took the time to talk to anyone on this forum, I would find at least one or more things about the Bible that I don't agree with.

However this thread is about justification by Faith in Jesus Christ alone, not by works.

This should be common ground for all of God's children.

Stephen talked about peacemakers.

You are not even trying to be a peacemaker. You don't even see the common ground, because you just want to pick a fight.

Your "future sins forgiven" straw man doctrine is false.

You can continue erecting strawmen or you could actually read and listen to what the real people are saying instead of your fantasy land mental creations.
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@PeterJens - she is not winnable, & never was.

She's harder than DC ever thought about. She's only stringing you along to keep you posting to find fault with what you write, like the lawyers of Jesus' day.

The sooner your posting ends, the sooner this thread dies.
 
dcontroversal

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limey410 said:
And I agree with a lot of what you are saying Peter. It is Love that guides us.
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Correction.....

It is the Holy Spirit of God that leads us by the word.....LOVE is the motive or should be the motive behind what we do.....
 
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Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing.
1 tim 2:8

As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
Eph 4:1-2
 
dcontroversal

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Stephen63 said:
I did..... but, as always, you spread confusion & the readers don't know who to believe.

The end result? Popularity wins out.

Jesus said the world would hate the christian..... Yet popular people win arguments, build reps, & lure people away, all the while being loved for their attitudes.
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Blah, BLAH, BLAH....more judgmental smoke....maybe if you actually posted what you believe about salvation instead of posts like this and the one below............again what religious creed do you embellish..............
 
dcontroversal

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Stephen63 said:
Here he goes waffling again, no substance, just opposing everything I post.

That's what happens when you think you're superior.

It's all psychological..... not spiritual at all.
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..........<--10 points you did not make by this post........How is comparing JESUS with SATAN biblical......TO WHOM SHALL YOU LIKEN ME.......is that how you preach........WOW!
 
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Stephen63 said:
I did..... but, as always, you spread confusion & the readers don't know who to believe.

The end result? Popularity wins out.

Jesus said the world would hate the christian..... Yet popular people win arguments, build reps, & lure people away, all the while being loved for their attitudes.
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This is a Christian forum, when we enter here the wheat and the chaff have already been seperated. Your analogy does not apply. We are all unpopular in the world.
 
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Stephen63 said:
@PeterJens - she is not winnable, & never was.

She's harder than DC ever thought about. She's only stringing you along to keep you posting to find fault with what you write, like the lawyers of Jesus' day.

The sooner your posting ends, the sooner this thread dies.
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Lovely anti-biblical statement from a cake taker.......YOU know...The above bolded is akin to calling one a graceless wretch....JESUS warns about that

absolutely proves who leads you..............
 
PeterJens

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dcontroversal said:
Lovely anti-biblical statement from a cake taker.......YOU know...The above bolded is akin to calling one a graceless wretch....JESUS warns about that
absolutely proves who leads you..............
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dc - you win. You want this dedication to a cause, I hope for your sake you know
what your dedication and sacrifice has really bought you.

I can share nothing more than I have shared. God bless you. I pray for your soul
because there are few like you I have come across. :(
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen63
@PeterJens - she is not winnable, & never was.

She's harder than DC ever thought about. She's only stringing you along to keep you posting to find fault with what you write, like the lawyers of Jesus' day.

The sooner your posting ends, the sooner this thread dies.


dcontroversal said:
Lovely anti-biblical statement from a cake taker.......YOU know...The above bolded is akin to calling one a graceless wretch....JESUS warns about that

absolutely proves who leads you..............
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Unfortunately that is why it is wise to not interact with this type of a mindset. It does no good but to cause strife and division.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Ariel - I am sorry that you have to be the brunt of these attacks against you constantly. Take courage and keep on preaching Christ and our true life is only found in Him. All is well...:)
 
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PeterJens said:
:) Funny how being told one is living a different reality in Christ is just a disagreement.
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It is if you bother to read this statement from Limey "Now we are both saved because we believe on the cross, and we have accepted the Holy Spirit and He is our Lord and Savior,"
 
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Stephen63 said:
@PeterJens - she is not winnable, & never was.

She's harder than DC ever thought about. She's only stringing you along to keep you posting to find fault with what you write, like the lawyers of Jesus' day.

The sooner your posting ends, the sooner this thread dies.
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@stephen how is gossip working for you?

I don't care if PeterJens keeps posting here are not, I came to talk to Dcon and my other brothers and sisters.

Who are you and Peterjens trying to win me over to? I am already Jesus' and God tells me I am His beloved child.

Standing against works salvation will never die.

I noticed you don't take your own advice.

I don't read post seeking what is wrong.

I actually think Peterjens agrees with what most folks are saying. His pride however is hurt because they tell him he is different or because he misunderstood them in the beginning, so he attacks.

You however....are seeking disciples.
 
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PeterJens said:
Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing.
1 tim 2:8

As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
Eph 4:1-2
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It would be wonderful if you actually listened and practiced these words.
 
dcontroversal

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PeterJens said:
dc - you win. You want this dedication to a cause, I hope for your sake you know
what your dedication and sacrifice has really bought you.

I can share nothing more than I have shared. God bless you. I pray for your soul
because there are few like you I have come across. :(
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MAN...1st of all you never made the statement he did and my post was directed at HIM......and 2nd, IF you are that dense to not recognize what he said was totally contrary to the bible and the warning of JESUS to place one in the grouping that he did as unwinnable speaks volumes to your lack of understanding.....

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire

 
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Stephen63 said:
I did..... but, as always, you spread confusion & the readers don't know who to believe.

The end result? Popularity wins out.

Jesus said the world would hate the christian..... Yet popular people win arguments, build reps, & lure people away, all the while being loved for their attitudes.
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This says more about you and your motives than the people you are criticising.

I was never part of the "popular" or "unpopular" crowd in high school and find the mentality childish.

My friends and I were more focused on gettting good grades, getting into college and our futures than high school drama.

People either liked us or they ignored us. No one hated us enough to be our enemies.

I am beginning to believe you teach salvation by works, because you have such a violent reaction against this thread.

If you dont please clarify and tell me what it is you do believe?

Are we justified by Faith in Christ or is works needed?

Do our works maintain salvation?

What is it that has you so opposed?

I know you are violently against easy believism and hyper grace.

However what do you believe is Biblical grace and what do you have faith in?
 
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G777, PeterJens love me so it doesn't matter how much Stephen attacks my character. A little voice in peterjens heart will remind him that I really am his sister in Christ even if we fight.
 
Stephen63

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dcontroversal said:
Blah, BLAH, BLAH....more judgmental smoke....maybe if you actually posted what you believe about salvation instead of posts like this and the one below............again what religious creed do you embellish..............
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Don't get mad at me for saying that..... it's true.

She's also smarter than you are.
 
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Stephen63 said:
Don't get mad at me for saying that..... it's true.

She's also smarter than you are.
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MAD.....hilarious...who is mad.......and your last statement.....irrelevant and not provable one way or another......you know nothing about either one of us such as our history, backgrounds, college etc.....just more smoke......puff puff daddy!
 
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dcontroversal said:
MAD.....hilarious...who is mad.......and your last statement.....irrelevant and not provable one way or another......you know nothing about either one of us such as our history, backgrounds, college etc.....just more smoke......puff puff daddy!
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Smartness has nothing to do with education.

In my little life I've met quite a few educated idiots
 
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