SPIRITUALISM IN THE CHURCH

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samuel23 said:
I hope you don't get to horse when you get down on all fours and bark like a dog while all your Pentecostal buddies are clapping and saying praise the Lord. Or maybe when you scream fire, fire, and vibrate like a broken lawn mower. Or maybe its when you howl like wolf...O yes you folks have it all together.
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Huh WOW, I have witnessed that foolishness and walked out of many churches that engaged in it....I am not Pentecostal...and for the record I make it a rule never to yell fire, fire, fire just in case it causes panic in the church house and I get trampled on.....would vibrating like a disagreeable chain saw or agitated weed eater be Ok or is that still not the Holy Ghost!?!?!




Seriously now, We folks, who you calling we bro? I am in no way connected with what you describe things to be, thank you very much. I do believe in the full Gospel, but not to the excess we see today.


It is sad you refuse to comment on the scripture,,,

BUt hey Mr. AXE meet MR. Grind...
 
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I made a reasonable post about false spirits in the church today, nothing outside scripture, then I was attacked by Meggido with the statement that "every time you(me) open your mouth you disagree with the bible). That is so far from any kind of intelligent response in a Christian forum that it would convince any honest observer he must be an arrogant person with no defense of whatever position he was trying to defend(that was unclear also). You know folks, there are people in here at times that show their ignorance of the subject by attacking the one who presented the subject rather then the subject...it makes them such a loser.
 
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Anyway, back to the subject. There is the history of the Catholic church as told by the Catholic church, and there is the actual history of the Catholic church. There is the history of Pentecostalism as told by Pentecostals , and there is the actual history of Pentecostalism. I was a part of Pentecostalism when I discovered the dishonest twisting of the actual history of Pentecostalism, I wondered, why are these folks lying about their history? I now know why, they were not even accepted by main stream Christianity until around the 60s(I think) when Billy Graham made friends with Oral Roberts. The truth is, for years, Pentecostals were not even considered to really be Christian, just religious emotional wackos. And here is what is important, Pentecostals actually lived up to their reputation. My point, there are many Christians in Pentecostalism today, just be on your guard for that movement was full of false spirits from its beginning, and though many Pentecostal churches today are more main stream, yet many of the false spirits remain and sad but true, many are actually following false spirits when they think they are following the Lord.
 
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Is it possible for a gathering to have a mighty worship service where people are lifting their hands and some are even falling down under the power, yet God the Father our Creator has nothing to do with it? I think it is happening big time today. An old preacher named McGee first brought this possibility to mind when he mentioned how the ancients worshipped idols. He pointed out that those people were getting something out of what they were doing. The NT tells us that they were connecting with spirit beings not of God. Israel would often leave the worship of God and worship these spirit beings. This made me realize that those same evil angels(or whatever they are) are still around today and are still seeking to draw people away from the worship of God to worship them. Some of those angels have great drawing power, even John fell down to worship an angel. Which brings me to my point, there is a great move in the church today that begin around 1906 and it is built around the idea that if you feel a great spiritual power(anointing) then it has to be God, even if the bible disagrees with it. I know a friend who said that he did not believe in what was going on until he came and felt the power. This is the big mistake, people are assuming that any spiritual power in a church has to be God. Jesus spoke of those who will have great ministries in His name and He will say I NEVER knew you, because He never did know them because the spiritual anointing they operated under was not God.
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You know... God gave mankind the technology to create PARAGRAPHS!






he must be an arrogant person
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OR, you could actually be ignoring some of the things God says in His Word...
 
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samuel23 said:
Is it possible for a gathering to have a mighty worship service where people are lifting their hands and some are even falling down under the power, yet God the Father our Creator has nothing to do with it? I think it is happening big time today. An old preacher named McGee first brought this possibility to mind when he mentioned how the ancients worshipped idols. He pointed out that those people were getting something out of what they were doing. The NT tells us that they were connecting with spirit beings not of God. Israel would often leave the worship of God and worship these spirit beings. This made me realize that those same evil angels(or whatever they are) are still around today and are still seeking to draw people away from the worship of God to worship them. Some of those angels have great drawing power, even John fell down to worship an angel. Which brings me to my point, there is a great move in the church today that begin around 1906 and it is built around the idea that if you feel a great spiritual power(anointing) then it has to be God, even if the bible disagrees with it. I know a friend who said that he did not believe in what was going on until he came and felt the power. This is the big mistake, people are assuming that any spiritual power in a church has to be God. Jesus spoke of those who will have great ministries in His name and He will say I NEVER knew you, because He never did know them because the spiritual anointing they operated under was not God.
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I completely agree with you and I would like to subscribe to your publication....LOL just kidding.

I really do agree with,the reasons that you stated are why I am not a partake in organized religion.

But I'll take it one step further and say that I think that Satan is the reason for this false worship.

Telling people that they can do whatever that they want and still go to Heaven fits into satan's plan perfectly.

This is why God Himself warned us of this.

I'm not saying that these folk know that they are bad,in fact He said that people will think that they are doing His work but they aren't...they misled.

But the byproduct of this false worship is the world that we have today.
 
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But then you figure,well if these people that made the world evil are misled,do they still deserve to go to Heaven?

No they don't because it takes more than ignorance and deception to commit evil.

It also takes inclination,you gotta want to do the things that you do.... nobody forces you.

A fornicator do that because they like it...it feel good physically.

A racist do that because it good on another level.

Just like a murderer do that because it feel good to them.

A pedophile do that because it feel good.

This is inclination,this is why I say that a adult that going against God's word ain't got no excuse...they like doing what they doing.
 
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samuel23 said:
Is it possible for a gathering to have a mighty worship service where people are lifting their hands and some are even falling down under the power, yet God the Father our Creator has nothing to do with it? I think it is happening big time today. An old preacher named McGee first brought this possibility to mind when he mentioned how the ancients worshipped idols. He pointed out that those people were getting something out of what they were doing. The NT tells us that they were connecting with spirit beings not of God. Israel would often leave the worship of God and worship these spirit beings. This made me realize that those same evil angels(or whatever they are) are still around today and are still seeking to draw people away from the worship of God to worship them. Some of those angels have great drawing power, even John fell down to worship an angel. Which brings me to my point, there is a great move in the church today that begin around 1906 and it is built around the idea that if you feel a great spiritual power(anointing) then it has to be God, even if the bible disagrees with it. I know a friend who said that he did not believe in what was going on until he came and felt the power. This is the big mistake, people are assuming that any spiritual power in a church has to be God. Jesus spoke of those who will have great ministries in His name and He will say I NEVER knew you, because He never did know them because the spiritual anointing they operated under was not God.
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That is why believers should heed His words in how to come to God the father for anything; in prayer, fellowship, or worship as Jesus meant what He has said... I am the way.. no man cometh to the Father by me ~ John 14:6

That is why all invitations points to the Son so as to call sinners away from their spiritualism to a fellowship with God thru the Son. That is why judgment is over all believers to honor the Father by honoring only the Son in worship ( John 5:22-23 ) because that is what the indwelling Holy Spirit and scripture is leading believers to do always.

It is seducing spirits aka the spirits of the antichrist ( antichrist meaning as used in scripture "instead of Christ" aka "instead of the Son" ) Only seducing spirits would try to share and then steal the spotlight away from the Son when they come with signs and lying wonders in the worship place.

Only the real indwelling Holy Spirit will keep the spotlight on the Son in the worship place and not draw attention away from the Son to Himself at all since the Holy Spirit seeks to testify of the Son ( John 15:26 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ) and He does that thru us in worship as well ( John 15:27 & John 13:31-32 & Philippians 2:5-12 ).

That is the role of the Spirit of Truth versus the role of the spirit of lies; hence the spirit of the antichrist; instead of the son.

Let the action of the spirit dictates what spirit that it is as you trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd through the Holy Spirit IN YOU to discern the spirits whether they be of God or not.
 
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Yes, and some people get so lathered up over those who believe and walk in the power of God as taught by the New Testament... that they get in the ditch on the other side and become cessationists

People like this do not believe God watches over His Word to perform it (Jeremiah 1:12), and that those that come to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6).

Of course there is going to be deception, cause that's what satan does is everything he can to get people to quit believing God's Word so they become unfruitful (Mark 4:13-20)... but this does not mean God does not honor His promises today and that He is not still in the deliverance business and even better in teaching mature believers to deal wisely in all the affairs of life and walk with the Lord on a continual basis where they are not always in need and always being whipped by the devil.

God needs some of His people to step up and dish out some whipping to the devil and run him off!

So, in the ditch on one side you got the people that will believe almost anything and get deceived... then in the ditch on the other side you got people that don't believe in nuthin hardly and get deceived.

The answer is found in the narrow way Jesus spoke of...

Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.

Matthew 7:14,15
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

There are wolves on both sides... satan does care which side he can get people to slide into as long as he can get them off of that narrow path Jesus spoke of.




Only the real indwelling Holy Spirit will keep the spotlight on the Son
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This includes the teachings of Jesus... the things Jesus had to say that He heard His Father say.

Many of today's false grace teachers say that only what Jesus taught after the Cross is what we should pay attention to... so we can see right off that these folks are false teachers because they deny the vast majority of what Jesus taught.
 
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samuel23 said:
I made a reasonable post about false spirits in the church today, nothing outside scripture, then I was attacked by Meggido with the statement that "every time you(me) open your mouth you disagree with the bible). That is so far from any kind of intelligent response in a Christian forum that it would convince any honest observer he must be an arrogant person with no defense of whatever position he was trying to defend(that was unclear also). You know folks, there are people in here at times that show their ignorance of the subject by attacking the one who presented the subject rather then the subject...it makes them such a loser.
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The fact is all you do is give warnings and then lump people into categorizes when they post scripture that refutes what you are trying to establish as Biblical Truth. You then act like some grand poo bah that "knows" what a move of God is and everyone else has no clue. It seems some of your past associations with Pentecostals and their arrogance and condemnation has rubbed off on you.

I posted a passage from the Word that took your OP out and you got upset about that fact.
 
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samuel23 said:
Anyway, back to the subject. There is the history of the Catholic church as told by the Catholic church, and there is the actual history of the Catholic church. There is the history of Pentecostalism as told by Pentecostals , and there is the actual history of Pentecostalism. I was a part of Pentecostalism when I discovered the dishonest twisting of the actual history of Pentecostalism, I wondered, why are these folks lying about their history? I now know why, they were not even accepted by main stream Christianity until around the 60s(I think) when Billy Graham made friends with Oral Roberts. The truth is, for years, Pentecostals were not even considered to really be Christian, just religious emotional wackos. And here is what is important, Pentecostals actually lived up to their reputation. My point, there are many Christians in Pentecostalism today, just be on your guard for that movement was full of false spirits from its beginning, and though many Pentecostal churches today are more main stream, yet many of the false spirits remain and sad but true, many are actually following false spirits when they think they are following the Lord.
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Charlatan...
 
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If I recall even the devil can appear to be an angel of light
 
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That's true but in the gift of discernment, one will know the spirit. And the name of Jesus will run him off.
 
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I've never witnessed howling or barking...but my first thought would be...what spirit is this of. And consider a deliverance may be needed.

It's very possible that is what has happened in the Toronto Outpouring. And I'm sure it was handled correctly.
 
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stonesoffire said:
That's true but in the gift of discernment, one will know the spirit. And the name of Jesus will run him off.
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Stones, the gift is actually the gift of discerning of spirits. not gift of discernment :)
 
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ok. I agree. I've said before that it's not suspicion, so discerning of spirits is clearer.
 
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stonesoffire said:
I've never witnessed howling or barking...but my first thought would be...what spirit is this of. And consider a deliverance may be needed.

It's very possible that is what has happened in the Toronto Outpouring. And I'm sure it was handled correctly.
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We witnessed howling and barking one night in a church and left...one guy started acting like a pig , rooting and snorting and took a tambourine and put it around his neck.

The guest evangelist said another person was being set free from spirit of legion and they needed a pig to go into.

This was witchcraft....and we left>

I take exception to Samuel,because he thinks everyone else is stupid and he alone is the answer to everyone else being duped
 
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Meggido said:
We witnessed howling and barking one night in a church and left...one guy started acting like a pig , rooting and snorting and took a tambourine and put it around his neck.

The guest evangelist said another person was being set free from spirit of legion and they needed a pig to go into.

This was witchcraft....and we left>

I take exception to Samuel,because he thinks everyone else is stupid and he alone is the answer to everyone else being duped
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This is where so many posts get into trouble...you actually agree with my post but your prideful arrogant ridiculous attitude assumed I was something that God knows I am not...you have a problem.
 
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samuel23 said:
This is where so many posts get into trouble...you actually agree with my post but your prideful arrogant ridiculous attitude assumed I was something that God knows I am not...you have a problem.
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No sir, you started this foolishness when you lumped me and everyone else with these kinds of deception and got your feelings hurt when I called you out on your OP by using a scripture that soundly refuted what you were asking in the OP

I said more than once to you I was not with these kinds of things and refuted them, yet you continued going right along and not reading and telling me I was and then offering guidance to others to avoid me and these kinds of deceptions.

Let your yes be yes and your no be no Samuel and stop acting like the only one with any experience in the body of Christ.
 
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samuel23 said:
We are to judge the means because Jesus said that many would have great ministries in His name yet He did not know them, meaning that the power was never of God. Also, anyone can act like a Christian, the means they use is exactly what we should judge according to the word of God.
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How are we to judge? And by what standard?
 
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Muzungu256 said:
in these times we definately gotta be careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! all sorts of things going on there................... but i still dont rule out all miracles if i see one i believe it and i have seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As I was working this morning, it occurred to me....To the untrained eye...What is the difference between miracles and magic? To the untrained eye. There is no difference. Yet total reliance on the Word and the Holy Spirit one can walk in safety. Without that reliance, all of us would be deceived.
 
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