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The apostle Paul said no immoral or impure person will inherit the kingdom of God, and not to let anyone deceive you with empty words concerning this matter. The apostle Peter said false prophets will come speaking great swelling words of emptiness, promising you liberty, yet they themselves are servants of corruption.
Faith in Christ is just the acceptance of Jesus's salvation.
If I give you a gift... and you say you earned the gift or worked for the gift.. that would be crazy.
You don't earn or work for a gift. The gift is given to you. Accepting the gift in faith is not a work or you earning it.
Man's part is not a part of the salvation. Man's part is humbling accepting he can't do anything to save himself. If Jesus wasn't there. Man could still not save himself even if he asked for it. With Jesus there as a sacrifice, only then is it possible for man to be saved. Man accepts salvation, but it can't happen without God.
If I give you a gift... and you say you earned the gift or worked for the gift.. that would be crazy.
You don't earn or work for a gift. The gift is given to you. Accepting the gift in faith is not a work or you earning it.
Man's part is not a part of the salvation. Man's part is humbling accepting he can't do anything to save himself. If Jesus wasn't there. Man could still not save himself even if he asked for it. With Jesus there as a sacrifice, only then is it possible for man to be saved. Man accepts salvation, but it can't happen without God.
Well said.
Salvation is God's part.
He saves us through our faith in Him.
He opens the door and let's us into His Kingdom.
Whether or not we wish to remain there is a choice we make with our free will.
At this point, it becomes a two way street, a cooperative effort.
After all, getting into heaven will require some acknowledgment on our part that we actually desire to be there.
So we need to practice being in God's presence. Something we should be doing right now in God's kingdom on Earth.
By following all the instructions and commands Jesus left us with.
Salvation is God's part.
He saves us through our faith in Him.
He opens the door and let's us into His Kingdom.
Whether or not we wish to remain there is a choice we make with our free will.
At this point, it becomes a two way street, a cooperative effort.
After all, getting into heaven will require some acknowledgment on our part that we actually desire to be there.
So we need to practice being in God's presence. Something we should be doing right now in God's kingdom on Earth.
By following all the instructions and commands Jesus left us with.
This comes to the heart of what salvation actually is. As people are we creations of our
Father built to walk in love, which causes us to rejoice in who we are and who He is, when
we find fulfillment in walking this way.
It is a mixture of knowing God through Christ, our walk, our obedience, the very life that
comes from abiding in Christ.
Because you cannot separate out the aspects of being in Christ, they all work together
is why to say one happens first before the other, it is like when babies are born, it all
starts together and is part of the whole.
Father built to walk in love, which causes us to rejoice in who we are and who He is, when
we find fulfillment in walking this way.
It is a mixture of knowing God through Christ, our walk, our obedience, the very life that
comes from abiding in Christ.
Because you cannot separate out the aspects of being in Christ, they all work together
is why to say one happens first before the other, it is like when babies are born, it all
starts together and is part of the whole.
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Do you have faith in Jesus or your ability to obey God...
Willybob tells us he has faith in his faithfulness not in the saving power of the Cross.
"The biblical definition of faith is steadfast faithfulness to God's commands from heart purity"
How much faith did the man
On the cross have? How well did he obey and do works?
Willybob tells us he has faith in his faithfulness not in the saving power of the Cross.
"The biblical definition of faith is steadfast faithfulness to God's commands from heart purity"
How much faith did the man
On the cross have? How well did he obey and do works?
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I missed this earlier. I have never tried to expose you, this is not language which I use.
Month in, month out you have said you were going to do this to me. At least you have
changed tack, lol.
And I have no interest in making anyone look bad, that is called manipulation.
I desire one thing, to honour the Lord and His word.
If you are wondering why I have this approach, here is a confession made by said party
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I agree with you about Peter. I was Peter once, That is why I am hard on him, Because I want so bad for him to find the freedom I found..
I keep prayin gif I try to expose his sin and get him to repent, he may repent of other stuff too.. Although I am losing hope
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-spot-false-grace-message-39.html#post2930096
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What sin is being referred to was never really clear, and you cannot repent of
something you have not done wrong. A believer walks purified in Gods grace.
It has always amazed me about this conviction to pound repentance out of someone,
because it is based on their personal history and miss-reading me and scripture and
how we are to deal with other believers.
But I praise Christ that in Him I am complete. Glory to God in the Highest and
peace to men.
Month in, month out you have said you were going to do this to me. At least you have
changed tack, lol.
And I have no interest in making anyone look bad, that is called manipulation.I desire one thing, to honour the Lord and His word.
If you are wondering why I have this approach, here is a confession made by said party
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I agree with you about Peter. I was Peter once, That is why I am hard on him, Because I want so bad for him to find the freedom I found..
I keep prayin gif I try to expose his sin and get him to repent, he may repent of other stuff too.. Although I am losing hope
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-spot-false-grace-message-39.html#post2930096
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What sin is being referred to was never really clear, and you cannot repent of
something you have not done wrong. A believer walks purified in Gods grace.
It has always amazed me about this conviction to pound repentance out of someone,
because it is based on their personal history and miss-reading me and scripture and
how we are to deal with other believers.
But I praise Christ that in Him I am complete. Glory to God in the Highest and
peace to men.
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This all sounds very analytical and remote. In truth if you walk with people and
disciple them, such questions are not a problem. What is a problem is leading someone
to Christ and then abandoning them to discover everything alone.
I think a pertinent question would be how many here were discipled by anyone, or was
their experience in Christ a discovery alone. Mine certainly was, and I deeply regret this
because so much in Christ is about being integrated and open, which comes through personal
sharing and being faithful one with another.
disciple them, such questions are not a problem. What is a problem is leading someone
to Christ and then abandoning them to discover everything alone.
I think a pertinent question would be how many here were discipled by anyone, or was
their experience in Christ a discovery alone. Mine certainly was, and I deeply regret this
because so much in Christ is about being integrated and open, which comes through personal
sharing and being faithful one with another.
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How do people recognise a mature Christian?
They understand why obedience to God's law is wise but also have eternal security in Jesus and His ability to save us fully. They display heavenly wisdom, teach with truth, gentleness, impartiality and patience. They display the fruit of walking with the Holy spirit. They can eat meat and discern good from evil. They gave babies in Christ the milk and don't demand that folks choke the baby by forcing them to eat meat too early. However they teach toddlers how to walk with God and eat meat so they aren't tossed to and forth by false doctrines. They keep the wolves away from the young lambs,
They understand why obedience to God's law is wise but also have eternal security in Jesus and His ability to save us fully. They display heavenly wisdom, teach with truth, gentleness, impartiality and patience. They display the fruit of walking with the Holy spirit. They can eat meat and discern good from evil. They gave babies in Christ the milk and don't demand that folks choke the baby by forcing them to eat meat too early. However they teach toddlers how to walk with God and eat meat so they aren't tossed to and forth by false doctrines. They keep the wolves away from the young lambs,
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Telling folks to only feed newborns pure milk is not "analytical and remote. " it is just common sense which is a gift from God to honest people.. -
Telling people to pray, read their Bible and lean upon Jesus for he is with you 24/7. instead of trying to make yourself a Rabbi, is what Jesus tells is to do.
It is also the difference between the New covenant and the Old.
The Holy spirit allows us to Know God personally.
Some folks have only the faith of a heathen and not a saving faith for they believe they have to earn/maintain their salvatuon, which makes it a reward and not a free gift paid for on the cross,
It is also the difference between the New covenant and the Old.
The Holy spirit allows us to Know God personally.
Some folks have only the faith of a heathen and not a saving faith for they believe they have to earn/maintain their salvatuon, which makes it a reward and not a free gift paid for on the cross,
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God's children do good works to honor and glorify God not to become His Kids but because we are His Kids.
Not to earn eternal life, but because we have already been given the promise of life eternally with God and sealed with His holy spirit, renewed hearts and minds lifting in praise of our Father and king.
Not to earn eternal life, but because we have already been given the promise of life eternally with God and sealed with His holy spirit, renewed hearts and minds lifting in praise of our Father and king.
I thought some here could use my help.
I hate biblical incorrectness to be spread around.
It's important for those reading along to know the truth.
And some here are NOT speaking truth.
In the end days many will come perverting the Word of God.
The Word of God is being watered down by hyper gracers, word of faithers, and who knows who else.
Some here want to fight and keep Chrisitanity the way JESUS intended it to be.
If anyone here could find me just ONE VERSE that says Jesus said ONLY to believe in Him, I'll go away quietly.
But I'm sure this verse does not exist.
Jesus sure did waste a lot of His precious breath telling us what He expects of us if He didn't really mean it!
Do YOU think He meant everything He said?
By the way, if anyone wants to post
John 6:29 they better also post what the word BELIEVE means.
Maybe some of the Greek "experts" here could help out with that.
Ooops. Maybe not. It won't be to their advantage.
I hate biblical incorrectness to be spread around.
It's important for those reading along to know the truth.
And some here are NOT speaking truth.
In the end days many will come perverting the Word of God.
The Word of God is being watered down by hyper gracers, word of faithers, and who knows who else.
Some here want to fight and keep Chrisitanity the way JESUS intended it to be.
If anyone here could find me just ONE VERSE that says Jesus said ONLY to believe in Him, I'll go away quietly.
But I'm sure this verse does not exist.
Jesus sure did waste a lot of His precious breath telling us what He expects of us if He didn't really mean it!
Do YOU think He meant everything He said?
By the way, if anyone wants to post
John 6:29 they better also post what the word BELIEVE means.
Maybe some of the Greek "experts" here could help out with that.
Ooops. Maybe not. It won't be to their advantage.
Ephesians 2:13-14
The Holy Spirit is a pledge of our inheritance.
He is a down payment of our inheritance.
Do you own a house?
Did you pay it in cash?
Maybe you put a down payment on it and got a mortgange.
That is a pledge that you intend to pay the house off.
When it's paid off, it will be yours. NOT until then.
Our INHERIANCE is heaven.
If we have the Holy Spirit when we die, we will receive our inheritance.
If we do not have the Holy Spirit when we die, we will NOT receive our inheritance.
We can only have the Holy Spirit in us if we follow the instructions of Jesus.
And there are many.
It may be because we want to....
But it is EXPECTED of us. It's not a choice we make.
Which is what some here make it sound like.
If we WANT TO, we do it.
What if we DON'T WANT TO?
It's OK just because we "believe" in Jesus?
Please clarify.
And don't say we do it because we want to.
That's such a cop out.
The Holy Spirit is a pledge of our inheritance.
He is a down payment of our inheritance.
Do you own a house?
Did you pay it in cash?
Maybe you put a down payment on it and got a mortgange.
That is a pledge that you intend to pay the house off.
When it's paid off, it will be yours. NOT until then.
Our INHERIANCE is heaven.
If we have the Holy Spirit when we die, we will receive our inheritance.
If we do not have the Holy Spirit when we die, we will NOT receive our inheritance.
We can only have the Holy Spirit in us if we follow the instructions of Jesus.
And there are many.
It may be because we want to....
But it is EXPECTED of us. It's not a choice we make.
Which is what some here make it sound like.
If we WANT TO, we do it.
What if we DON'T WANT TO?
It's OK just because we "believe" in Jesus?
Please clarify.
And don't say we do it because we want to.
That's such a cop out.