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Yes. Dcon.
MEN ARE SUPPOSED to see our faith.
God sees our heart.
So if in our heart we want to help someone, but don't
WHAT DOES GOD SEE. (the same thing man sees)
Matthew 21:28-32 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Two Sons
28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’
29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”
“The first,” they answered.
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
MEN ARE SUPPOSED to see our faith.
God sees our heart.
So if in our heart we want to help someone, but don't
WHAT DOES GOD SEE. (the same thing man sees)
Matthew 21:28-32 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Two Sons
28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’
29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”
“The first,” they answered.
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
U
1 Corinthians 6:11 reminds us that despite our habitual sinful past, Christians have been washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
(This has sanctification as an entire, completed event on view.)
And note that in both 1:30 and 6:11, sanctification and justification are mentioned entirely in parallel, apparently as the status conferred on Christians through the work of Christ on the cross.
In Hebrews 10:10, it is said that “we have been sanctified” through the “once for all” (i.e. unique, unrepeatable) sacrifice of Jesus’ body.
Then Hebrews 10:14 goes on to say that by this one sacrifice Jesus “has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified”.
The other references to progressive sanctification in scripture are based upon the understanding that sanctification is first and foremost positional
(This has sanctification as an entire, completed event on view.)
And note that in both 1:30 and 6:11, sanctification and justification are mentioned entirely in parallel, apparently as the status conferred on Christians through the work of Christ on the cross.
In Hebrews 10:10, it is said that “we have been sanctified” through the “once for all” (i.e. unique, unrepeatable) sacrifice of Jesus’ body.
Then Hebrews 10:14 goes on to say that by this one sacrifice Jesus “has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified”.
The other references to progressive sanctification in scripture are based upon the understanding that sanctification is first and foremost positional
You put everything on Christ.
So I could believe in Christ, and then go on my merry way and either do or don't do whatever I want?
Could you PLEASE post some scripture when you make statements. Have you noticed how I'm Always posting scripture.
IOW, I'd like to see what the bible says, not what you say.
So you do believe in eternal security.
Just as I thought.
It's nice to believe that one has to do absolutely NOTHING and still get to heaven.
Not very fair to those who DO A LOT.
You think you're not saying that one has to still abide, but your plain words tell otherwise.
Remember that the Prodigal Son asked for his inheritance before leaving home.
He got it. THAT WAS IT. If he hadn't gone back home, he would have received NOTHING FURTHER FROM HIS FATHER.
Luke 15:12
So I could believe in Christ, and then go on my merry way and either do or don't do whatever I want?
Could you PLEASE post some scripture when you make statements. Have you noticed how I'm Always posting scripture.
IOW, I'd like to see what the bible says, not what you say.
So you do believe in eternal security.
Just as I thought.
It's nice to believe that one has to do absolutely NOTHING and still get to heaven.
Not very fair to those who DO A LOT.
You think you're not saying that one has to still abide, but your plain words tell otherwise.
Remember that the Prodigal Son asked for his inheritance before leaving home.
He got it. THAT WAS IT. If he hadn't gone back home, he would have received NOTHING FURTHER FROM HIS FATHER.
Luke 15:12
U
Sorry I cannot help but jump in here.
If you do not know that salvation is an absolute free gift then you are believing a different gospel.
I rejoice when anyone receives the free gift.
The works that some does for God as an outpouring of the free gift is between the person and God and not up to me to judge how much or how little it is.
The prodigal son is about rejoicing when a person returns to the Father it is not about salvation.
If you do not know that salvation is an absolute free gift then you are believing a different gospel.
I rejoice when anyone receives the free gift.
The works that some does for God as an outpouring of the free gift is between the person and God and not up to me to judge how much or how little it is.
The prodigal son is about rejoicing when a person returns to the Father it is not about salvation.
Hebrews 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
PAST TENSE and ONCE FOR ALL<----OUR STANDING in CHRIST
Our daily lives is an ongoing process of growth, maturity and transformation......Romans 12:1-2
Biblical, eternal salvation by faith and grace puts us IN CHRIST and then through growth and maturity we bear fruit dia Christ through us as a living sacrifice.......
PAST TENSE and ONCE FOR ALL<----OUR STANDING in CHRIST
Our daily lives is an ongoing process of growth, maturity and transformation......Romans 12:1-2
Biblical, eternal salvation by faith and grace puts us IN CHRIST and then through growth and maturity we bear fruit dia Christ through us as a living sacrifice.......
Sure God is fair....all have a base inheritance...the down payment<--the indwelling Holy Spirit and God rewards for faithful service.....some have works of gold, silver and precious stones, some wood, hay and stubble and the prodigal son was a son throughout the whole process and received as a son with a robe and a ring...indicative of authority and covered......
Faithful...rewarded more abundantly and can earn crowns and a greater inheritance
Not as faithful...loses rewards fails to earn crowns and comes into the kingdom with less.....
JESUS said....THOSE who teach and DO called GREAT in the KINGDOM.....THOSE who teach and DON'T DO called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven
Faithful...rewarded more abundantly and can earn crowns and a greater inheritance
Not as faithful...loses rewards fails to earn crowns and comes into the kingdom with less.....
JESUS said....THOSE who teach and DO called GREAT in the KINGDOM.....THOSE who teach and DON'T DO called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven
When I was saved I know that it was a gift from God given to me because I asked Jesus to be my Savior and because I committed my life to God. At the time when I really decided to follow the Lord I begin to discipline myself, certain things I would not do and certain things I made a practice of doing. There is no such thing as living for the Lord without discipline of one's self. That means doing certain good things and refusing certain bad things.
U
Some may define a work is any exterior action or deed that complies with trying to fulfill the law, others may say it is obedience to God.
Scripture says,
“This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom he has sent”
Remember scripture very clearly states....
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
Scripture says,
“This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom he has sent”
Remember scripture very clearly states....
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
In order to rightly divide the word of God we need to look at scripture in context of the Old and New Covenants and the fact that all scripture is written "for" us to but not "to" us.
Don't take someone else's medicine and come into the New Covenant and believe in the gospel.
I know you will ignore these truths but I will post them anyway in the event that it will help others reading this thread.
All context starts and ends with the revelation of the risen Christ Himself. All scripture must be filtered through the finished work of Christ in order to get the context needed when reading all scripture and this means the Lord's words too.
Jesus told the rich young ruler to keep the commandments to have eternal life but is that how we are saved today? No, Jesus used the Law to expose the ruler's need for a Savior because he loved money and had actually broken the 1st commandment.
Here is a scripture that says that if anyone who has ever sinned against God will be blotted out of the book. This means that all of us have been blotted out of God's book for who has not ever sinned? No one.
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
This is a true statement but it is not the ultimate statement of truth because what Christ did on the cross and resurrection trumps this truth.
Everything in the bible is truly stated but not everything is a statement of ultimate truth.
We are as reliant on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ in the scriptures to us as Mary was reliant on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
Don't take someone else's medicine and come into the New Covenant and believe in the gospel.
I know you will ignore these truths but I will post them anyway in the event that it will help others reading this thread.
All context starts and ends with the revelation of the risen Christ Himself. All scripture must be filtered through the finished work of Christ in order to get the context needed when reading all scripture and this means the Lord's words too.
Jesus told the rich young ruler to keep the commandments to have eternal life but is that how we are saved today? No, Jesus used the Law to expose the ruler's need for a Savior because he loved money and had actually broken the 1st commandment.
Here is a scripture that says that if anyone who has ever sinned against God will be blotted out of the book. This means that all of us have been blotted out of God's book for who has not ever sinned? No one.
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
This is a true statement but it is not the ultimate statement of truth because what Christ did on the cross and resurrection trumps this truth.
Everything in the bible is truly stated but not everything is a statement of ultimate truth.
We are as reliant on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ in the scriptures to us as Mary was reliant on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
W
He cant Fran, because it was invented by deceived men during the reformation, and not found anywhere in the text. After 500 years positional-ism has now been magnified to its greatest level of heresy today by apostates like Billy Graham, Erwin Lucer and a plethora of others...However, all the bible implies, presupposes, and declares, is manifest reality, (in other words faith proven by deeds). One is justified and sanctified by God after coming clean with Him in repentance, whereas all the guile and rebellion have been removed from the heart, and is now a vessel made fit for the Masters use. He/she may not know much, but the wilful vile sins of the flesh have ceased in the baptism of repentance..And the cup maybe small in the beginning, l but it is overflowing with the fountains of living water. Then as we grow in the word we add to our faith the virtues of the Spirit through grace with such things as temperance, knowledge, patience, godliness, and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 Peter 1:5-8.....Therefore, advancing onward to Christian maturity, "teleos" (perfection). But if one is abiding faithfully in Christ, his cup is always overflowing, no matter the size of the vessel, and the cup becomes larger as the virtues of the Spirit increase for the purpose of containing these godly ways that are dispensed upon him/her through the Spirit of grace..
.The false prophets somehow have it backwards, and perceive that it was God that plucked out his own eye and cant see you as you are. as if He is a clown playing peek-aboo with sinners pretending He cant see them in their sin, and somehow passes over them and declares them righteous while they are sill unrighteous. That might be the stupidest philosophy Ive ever heard of. Only the flesh could invent such folly... whereas we are the ones who are told to pluck out the minds eyes of lust, meaning to take great measures if necessary to depart from iniquity a all cost to the saving of our soul..We do this by repenting coming clean with God and having a single eye focused on Christ, thus following after His ways, not the ways of vain men looking to make your flesh feel good with flatteries...
.The false prophets somehow have it backwards, and perceive that it was God that plucked out his own eye and cant see you as you are. as if He is a clown playing peek-aboo with sinners pretending He cant see them in their sin, and somehow passes over them and declares them righteous while they are sill unrighteous. That might be the stupidest philosophy Ive ever heard of. Only the flesh could invent such folly... whereas we are the ones who are told to pluck out the minds eyes of lust, meaning to take great measures if necessary to depart from iniquity a all cost to the saving of our soul..We do this by repenting coming clean with God and having a single eye focused on Christ, thus following after His ways, not the ways of vain men looking to make your flesh feel good with flatteries...