Not By Works
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We are positionally sanctified as well. That is imputed righteousness. The outward application of this positional sanctification can be progressive. If you say we're are progressively sanctified in terms of God 's view of us then our works take prominence over the work of Jesus already accomplished.
Really!?!? Romans 13.8-9 shows you how the moral law is fulfilled_
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Jesus said the only moral law we follow is quite simple.
Love God
Love others
Love yourself
Do you obey God based out of fearful requirement or out of Love for what He did for you?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Jesus said the only moral law we follow is quite simple.
Love God
Love others
Love yourself
Do you obey God based out of fearful requirement or out of Love for what He did for you?
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Yes I see that in Scripture too and agree, when people, especially those of the Catholic doctrine talk about sanctification they are talking about something different than you and I. as a former catholic that doctrine is about being good and the more good we are the more good we become all in our own effort. Same word but a very different understanding.
That is why on this thread they use the same words but the discussion goes around and around.
We have proven faithfully in this thread we are saved by grace in a singular event and it cannot be undone Period.
It goes like this for I am persuaded....Romans 8:38-39
Praise God where would we be without His perfect plan!
That is why on this thread they use the same words but the discussion goes around and around.
We have proven faithfully in this thread we are saved by grace in a singular event and it cannot be undone Period.
It goes like this for I am persuaded....Romans 8:38-39
Praise God where would we be without His perfect plan!
If you can...picture someone "whelmed" by another. Someone completely Holy...who loves with a love that cannot even be described, for if you are ever hugged by this One? Indescribable. And He walks with us. Daily walks...and together...you look at others...He gives you sight to see into the need. Words of healing flow...
The Ghost! I can see why people shout Holy Ghost! lol
I got new clearer eyes today.
And I don't even care if you all think I've lost it. It's great to be lost in Him.
The Ghost! I can see why people shout Holy Ghost! lol
I got new clearer eyes today.
And I don't even care if you all think I've lost it. It's great to be lost in Him.
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Sorry honey, you still have it wrong, it is Christ within who works in US to will and to do His good pleasure. Phil 2:13
You need to understand the plan of salvation designed by God, what you espoused makes no sense ....I saw through the lies a long time ago...what is taking you so long?
And why are you hung up on your looks does that live up to the Sermon on the Mount. We all have to face we fall short of perfection.. we have cannot fix our own hearts it a sin to think we can ...it is called self - righteousness.
You need to understand the plan of salvation designed by God, what you espoused makes no sense ....I saw through the lies a long time ago...what is taking you so long?
And why are you hung up on your looks does that live up to the Sermon on the Mount. We all have to face we fall short of perfection.. we have cannot fix our own hearts it a sin to think we can ...it is called self - righteousness.
Can you deny or not believe after you take the gift?
If they did under the Old Covenant? what radically changed under the New Covenant?
Be honest here now, and lets not talk mental assenting to salvation, this is where many can stumble.
You suggest God is no longer a covenant God after he pays your debt....yet many people get a debt paid by someone else and go right back into debt again.
You are saying that the freedom of choice is lost once God pays the debt. The Epistles are full of stories of others that walked away after God paid their debt.
To be clear this is not talking about doing works to maintain salvation, or to be granted salvation, this is about walking away from the Faith up to and including Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
I know a man who was once a very powerful servant of God. When His wife died in a car accident, he could never get over it...he said that Jesus used the devil's power to kill his wife...No tell me, is that man OSAS and when he passed was it to Glory?
Sadly, I know many faithful that renounce God outright and blame him for the death f spouses, kids, etc and they make a willful determination to walk away from God and in doing so seared their conscience from hearing the Holy Spirit.
If you believe no personal faith saves you then you will not agree with this view, and if that is your view, lets leave this here and not start a war.
If you do believe personal faith saves you, then you have to explain how you can suggest accepting the free gift of Salvation takes you hostage even after the renouncement of God, falling away from the faith[Apostasy] and cursing the Holy Spirit, because sister that ain't found anywhere in the Bible...
1 John 2.19 does not apply here IMO, because I have seen to many people get hurt and offended so bad they reject God, and they were fully for him, the fruit and everything proves to you they were a follower.
If they did under the Old Covenant? what radically changed under the New Covenant?
Be honest here now, and lets not talk mental assenting to salvation, this is where many can stumble.
You suggest God is no longer a covenant God after he pays your debt....yet many people get a debt paid by someone else and go right back into debt again.
You are saying that the freedom of choice is lost once God pays the debt. The Epistles are full of stories of others that walked away after God paid their debt.
To be clear this is not talking about doing works to maintain salvation, or to be granted salvation, this is about walking away from the Faith up to and including Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
I know a man who was once a very powerful servant of God. When His wife died in a car accident, he could never get over it...he said that Jesus used the devil's power to kill his wife...No tell me, is that man OSAS and when he passed was it to Glory?
Sadly, I know many faithful that renounce God outright and blame him for the death f spouses, kids, etc and they make a willful determination to walk away from God and in doing so seared their conscience from hearing the Holy Spirit.
If you believe no personal faith saves you then you will not agree with this view, and if that is your view, lets leave this here and not start a war.
If you do believe personal faith saves you, then you have to explain how you can suggest accepting the free gift of Salvation takes you hostage even after the renouncement of God, falling away from the faith[Apostasy] and cursing the Holy Spirit, because sister that ain't found anywhere in the Bible...
1 John 2.19 does not apply here IMO, because I have seen to many people get hurt and offended so bad they reject God, and they were fully for him, the fruit and everything proves to you they were a follower.
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Romans 8
26Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, becauseg the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,h for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified
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Amen to God's promises...
Wonder if folks will ever get tired of making false accusations of what others believe?
Who is afraid of good works?
The difference is so you have faith in Jesus and what He has done or in your good works?
We are saved by faith FOR good works NOT BY good works.
The Bible is very clear about that distinction why do people want to fuzzy the lines?
Faith in Jesus is the root.
Good works are the fruit and only happens after salvation. It is not the CAUSE of salvation,
The Root saves and can bring new life even if the whole tree is burnt down. The fruit turns rotten if not given nourishment from the Root.
26Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, becauseg the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,h for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified
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Amen to God's promises...
Wonder if folks will ever get tired of making false accusations of what others believe?
Who is afraid of good works?
The difference is so you have faith in Jesus and what He has done or in your good works?
We are saved by faith FOR good works NOT BY good works.
The Bible is very clear about that distinction why do people want to fuzzy the lines?
Faith in Jesus is the root.
Good works are the fruit and only happens after salvation. It is not the CAUSE of salvation,
The Root saves and can bring new life even if the whole tree is burnt down. The fruit turns rotten if not given nourishment from the Root.