I am so glad it all ended well between us...sometimes we just have to let off a little steam in our ignorance...but we'll get there. Our problem is as 'short-living humans(compared to God) we are impatient and want 'instant results. Scripture says we have need of patience...it can only happen by stretching our 'endurance/suffering under adversity and staying loyal...does NOT come easy !!!
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I know I am late getting to this. I do have something I would like to ask, it comes from the teachings I have had in the past. So if doesn't fit you, please over look this.
Have you been looking to Keep Shabbot, by biblical terms, or Rabbinic?
Both would mean to Study Torah, one how ever can led away from Yeshua, the other leads to Him. As I am kinf of in the same boat here, I would be more than happy to study with you on line.
Things we see that make us go...
This is really "code" for - if you don't follow the Sabbath Day from Friday night to Saturday - you are sinning against God and dis-obeying God. If you don't agree with our beliefs in the Sabbath day - you are not rightly dividing the word of God - you are against the word of God and you are not being a Berean. This is a load of religious nonsense that is full of spiritual manipulation - called in Galatians "witchcraft".
Galatians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Paul said that he didn't let this nonsense stand for one hour so that the truth of the gospel would remain with them.
This is how the Judaizers came in to try to get the Galatians to desert the Lord by their carnal following of the law of Moses - of which how the Sabbath is to be observed is clearly given.
They are replacing Christ Himself for the law even though they deny it with their lips but their words show the truth when you press them to be honest and see what is really being said. Beware and don't be duped into believing another gospel.
Hello Grace777,
I am sorry you feel the way you do, but do we need to believe you just because you say so? Or should we search the scriptures like the faithful Bereans? We must obey God rather than man (Acts 5:29). It is a shame that you feel that you need to now say things that are not true or have any basis in fact as highlighted in your post above. Do you love Jesus Grace777?
God's sheep hear His Voice.
God bless you
I am sorry you feel the way you do, but do we need to believe you just because you say so? Or should we search the scriptures like the faithful Bereans? We must obey God rather than man (Acts 5:29). It is a shame that you feel that you need to now say things that are not true or have any basis in fact as highlighted in your post above. Do you love Jesus Grace777?
God's sheep hear His Voice.
God bless you
I told you that I don't fall for spiritual witchcraft no matter how many attempts you make - but I will give you my testimony of what the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ has done for me and it has everything to do with the Sabbath rest that is only found in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I will give you my testimony of what the Lord has done when He revealed to me my complete dependence on the gospel of the grace of Christ.
He has changed my mind ( As, only God can give true repentance ) on how I view a lot of things concerning Him and my life in Christ and of course that means all kinds of different sin - for "whatsoever is not of faith is in fact sin ".
I have posted this a few times in CC but you are new so it was probably before you joined.
I am not denying Christ in me and what He has done and I will not be duped into deserting my Lord by judaizers that try to get me to live by the law - and yes - this means the carnal keeping of the Sabbath day. I am not ashamed of the gospel - for in it is the power of God for real salvation.
I have a great passion for Christ!..here is what knowing Him because of the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for me.
I was praying one morning and thinking about how the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up in my spirit where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him.
Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."
This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:
I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace, repentance from dead works and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church. (they were initially to me as well )
This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.
To live a holier life in Him...which is not only living separate from the "biggie sins" but everything that He reveals about anything that is contrary to life and His nature that is in me....this has led me to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.
If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....give me more grace please my Lord and God!
I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever before or ever dreamed was possible and I am just starting.
I am free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out in me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self-performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )
I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!
It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..
It will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my own D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness to help Jesus out"
It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that way for all eternity.
I will give you my testimony of what the Lord has done when He revealed to me my complete dependence on the gospel of the grace of Christ.
He has changed my mind ( As, only God can give true repentance ) on how I view a lot of things concerning Him and my life in Christ and of course that means all kinds of different sin - for "whatsoever is not of faith is in fact sin ".
I have posted this a few times in CC but you are new so it was probably before you joined.
I am not denying Christ in me and what He has done and I will not be duped into deserting my Lord by judaizers that try to get me to live by the law - and yes - this means the carnal keeping of the Sabbath day. I am not ashamed of the gospel - for in it is the power of God for real salvation.
I have a great passion for Christ!..here is what knowing Him because of the revelation of the gospel of the grace of Christ has done for me.
I was praying one morning and thinking about how the grace of Christ has affected me. I had the scripture come up in my spirit where the Pharisees were arguing about whether a man was born blind or not after Jesus healed him.
Of course the Pharisees were trying to discredit the message of Jesus. The man said.." All I know is that I was born blind but now I see."
This is what the gospel of the grace of Christ has done in my life:
I realize that these beliefs in the grace of God....especially the acceptance grace, repentance from dead works and the total forgiveness that Jesus bought and paid for with His blood....that these can be offensive to our religious beliefs and what we have been taught in church. (they were initially to me as well )
This gospel of the wondrous grace of Christ has had a beautiful affect on me. I am more in love with Jesus and the Father more then ever....in love with studying His word....praying in the spirit constantly with a heart full of joy!
This gospel has given me a compassion for other people and to reach out in love to them. To give more than I ever have with a heart full of love.
To live a holier life in Him...which is not only living separate from the "biggie sins" but everything that He reveals about anything that is contrary to life and His nature that is in me....this has led me to be a witness of the life and love of our Lord in me.
If these are the horrible fruit of the grace of Christ in me....I want more!.....give me more grace please my Lord and God!
I am living a much fuller life now, more deeply in love with Jesus and the Father then ever before or ever dreamed was possible and I am just starting.
I am free from the horrible religion of self-effort, having the love of God pour out in me to help others now that I understand the grace that is in Christ then I did when I was doing the self-performance based gospel ( which is not the gospel )
I was blind but now I see. I see Jesus and His finished work for me!
It will always be in eternity "Worthy is the Lamb"..
It will never be.."Worthy is the Lamb......and me..because I did my own D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness to help Jesus out"
It has always been about Jesus and Him alone and it will always remain that way for all eternity.
Hello Grace777,
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I believe God is working in your life. God is also calling us all to worship Him in Spirit and in truth because "The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."'
To call the Word of God Spiritual Witchcraft well I don't need to say anymore about that, it's between you and God.
Do you really love Jesus Grace777? Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)
God bless you my friend and good night my end
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I believe God is working in your life. God is also calling us all to worship Him in Spirit and in truth because "The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."'
To call the Word of God Spiritual Witchcraft well I don't need to say anymore about that, it's between you and God.
Do you really love Jesus Grace777? Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)
God bless you my friend and good night my end
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Thank you and God is working in my life to show me the truths that are only found in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and that salvation and life is only found in Him alone which is by grace through faith.
I don't call the word of God witchcraft. That's what you have deceitfully said I am doing. I call your attempts to manipulate me witchcraft because I don't agree with your judaizers attempts to get me to desert Christ for the keeping of the law no matter how you try to dice up the Sabbath Day keeping as being.
Just to be clear on this Sabbath day thing - I will say this again.
I do not look at all Hebrew Roots adherents as all the same ( This includes those that observe the Sabbath day in various ways according to their cultural backgrounds ).
As I have said before - there are many that are of authentic Jewish descent and they like their traditions but they do not say that others need to observe the Sabbath or feasts as in the law of Moses or you are dis-obeying God and sinning. They observe these things to see Christ as the fulfillment of them - not as something they "need" to do now.
This group has excellent teachings on how Christ has fulfilled the Law and show Christ in every part of the Old Testament - including the Sabbath Day rest. Jesus said that all the scriptures speak about Him.
This group of believers are a major blessing to us in the body of Christ and are not Judaizers such as Paul encountered and that are also in the extreme sects of Hebrew Roots that say believers in Christ must "observe the Sabbath and the feasts like in the law of Moses - or they are dis-obeying God and sinning".
Those - run away from as fast as you can as they are perverting the gospel just like Paul said they are doing! - but do not put all Hebrew Roots people in the same boat as the extreme sects because they are not the same.
God bless you too and hopefully you too will obey the call to be obedient to the faith and trust in Christ's work alone.
Like every oher person you have only been offering your own private interpretation as to what you hope prophecy is saying. God‘s word is law your opinion is a theory. Christ said there must be heresies amongst us .
We enter His Sabbath every time we do not harden our hearts, called Today (we are still under the sun and moon as time keepers)
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; "as it is said", To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts...... (Not yesterday or maybe tommorrow
The word Sabbath means rest trying to make it into a time sentitive words simplpy make the rest we do have everyday in Christ without effect.
What does a authentic Jewish descent have to do with rightly didiving the word of truth. Christ said of his own authentic Jewish flesh it profits for nothing.
What group the one you call of the authentic Jewish descent as a law of the fathers? Christ caled them a brood of vipers
If they perform that of a Judierser why would you call them something different?
Paul ran away from serveing a law of the fathers, auththentic Hebrew root people,?Those of authentic Jewish descent crucified the Lord of glory
Ceremonial laws are shadows used n parables.... they do nothing for the believer other than point a head as the gospel to a suffering savoir and the glory that followed the reformation. The reformation has come the use of authentic Jewish descent came to an end .
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
The parable in respect to the fourth commandment as to the reason shows a differnce from the Exodus account and the deuteromony account.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
We enter His Sabbath every time we do not harden our hearts, called Today (we are still under the sun and moon as time keepers)
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; "as it is said", To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts...... (Not yesterday or maybe tommorrow
The word Sabbath means rest trying to make it into a time sentitive words simplpy make the rest we do have everyday in Christ without effect.
What does a authentic Jewish descent have to do with rightly didiving the word of truth. Christ said of his own authentic Jewish flesh it profits for nothing.
What group the one you call of the authentic Jewish descent as a law of the fathers? Christ caled them a brood of vipers
If they perform that of a Judierser why would you call them something different?
Paul ran away from serveing a law of the fathers, auththentic Hebrew root people,?Those of authentic Jewish descent crucified the Lord of glory
Ceremonial laws are shadows used n parables.... they do nothing for the believer other than point a head as the gospel to a suffering savoir and the glory that followed the reformation. The reformation has come the use of authentic Jewish descent came to an end .
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
The parable in respect to the fourth commandment as to the reason shows a differnce from the Exodus account and the deuteromony account.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
J
LOLOL Dog gone it, Grace 777... You're going to need to warn me of the images you post! My early morning, FIRST sip of coffee sprayed all over my laptop! I'm going to have to go buy straws for all "SAFE" drinking while perusing posts! 
However, my laptop hasn't been this clean and shiny since coming out of its box!
However, my laptop hasn't been this clean and shiny since coming out of its box!hmmm what does the bible say?
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
So by the law is a knowledge of sin, ok lets accept that and take a look:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Oh So according the bible it is sin to not remember the Sabbath? No that is not what it says, It says "Sabbath day" to keep it holy. So it is talking about the rest day, not the rest, but he rest day. It also tells us when it was made holy way back a creation a finished work of God. not a work to come a finished one.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
There it is, a finished work. Before sin mind you so nothing to be repented of at all here. Jesus came to get rid of sin not the day God blessed and made Holy. According to the commandment one remembers this day and keeps it holy by simply not working on that day. Not hard not even works its literally the opposite of works its not working. That's how it is kept holy by not working as it says:
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Just stop as He stopped. Good spiritual lessons in that also. Nothing read into above, nothing added nothing taken away, just reading it as it says. Taking God's word as it reads. Now lets see who tries to use Gods word to say that Gods word does not mean what it says. That when it says "day" it really does not mean day.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
So by the law is a knowledge of sin, ok lets accept that and take a look:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Oh So according the bible it is sin to not remember the Sabbath? No that is not what it says, It says "Sabbath day" to keep it holy. So it is talking about the rest day, not the rest, but he rest day. It also tells us when it was made holy way back a creation a finished work of God. not a work to come a finished one.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
There it is, a finished work. Before sin mind you so nothing to be repented of at all here. Jesus came to get rid of sin not the day God blessed and made Holy. According to the commandment one remembers this day and keeps it holy by simply not working on that day. Not hard not even works its literally the opposite of works its not working. That's how it is kept holy by not working as it says:
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Just stop as He stopped. Good spiritual lessons in that also. Nothing read into above, nothing added nothing taken away, just reading it as it says. Taking God's word as it reads. Now lets see who tries to use Gods word to say that Gods word does not mean what it says. That when it says "day" it really does not mean day.
The Lord Jesus changed some things.
Hebrews 7:11-12
[FONT="]11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
What was the change??
Hebrews 7:15-19
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[FONT="]15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]
Hebrews 7:11-12
[FONT="]11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
What was the change??
Hebrews 7:15-19
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[FONT="]15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]
ok you quote
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
But what law is here being spoken of, Is it the 10 commandments? No. Notice what it says:
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, This is talking about the work of the levitical priesthood which came before or after the 10 commandments?
Correct after the 10 commandments. It is the levitical law which is found in the book of Leviticus. That law was concerning the priests form the tribe of Levi thus the reason it says:
"what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"
Now we know that the priests were to minister for those who had broken the law of God the 10 commandments. But now that the priesthood has changed the law concerning the priesthood must also change. Thus this verse:
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Not hard really and Ill say again, If the priesthood changed then reason can see that the law concerning the priesthood must change also. The law said tribe of Levi through Aaron.
He goes on:
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
notice the point made here, There is another tribe other than Aaron. Jesus did not come from the tribe of Levi of which Moses in the Levitical law did not say anything about.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
how is this evident? because the scriptures of the Old testament teach this as quoted later here:
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
That is how they knew the Old testament shows that the one who would come is going to be a priest but from a different order than Aaron"s. So Hebrews teaches the change form scripture not just their own private interpretation, they have evidence form Gods word in the Old Testament that this is the case. You have zero evidence that the Sabbath has changed thus you can't show it from the Old Testament.
Anyway continuing:
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Jesus was not made after a Carnal commandment. Meaning simply a flesh commandment. The tribe of Levi were men, Aaron was a man like we are. He dies and all his sons would die. But Jesus is not like us in that respect he lives forever hence the scripture quoted in verse 17, "Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec".
This whole passage is about the priesthood.
Flesh priesthood that dies or Divine priesthood who lives forever. To use this to try and change what the bible says in exodus and Genesis is just an attempt to excuse oneself from Gods ways.
Ill tell you what Jesus did not change, The work He did in the beginning before Sin entered this world. The priesthood had to change, because it was prophecies it would in the Old Testament. The only prophecies convening the 7th day Sabbath in the Old testament testify that it will still be for gentiles after the saviour comes.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
But what law is here being spoken of, Is it the 10 commandments? No. Notice what it says:
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, This is talking about the work of the levitical priesthood which came before or after the 10 commandments?
Correct after the 10 commandments. It is the levitical law which is found in the book of Leviticus. That law was concerning the priests form the tribe of Levi thus the reason it says:
"what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"
Now we know that the priests were to minister for those who had broken the law of God the 10 commandments. But now that the priesthood has changed the law concerning the priesthood must also change. Thus this verse:
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Not hard really and Ill say again, If the priesthood changed then reason can see that the law concerning the priesthood must change also. The law said tribe of Levi through Aaron.
He goes on:
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
notice the point made here, There is another tribe other than Aaron. Jesus did not come from the tribe of Levi of which Moses in the Levitical law did not say anything about.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
how is this evident? because the scriptures of the Old testament teach this as quoted later here:
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
That is how they knew the Old testament shows that the one who would come is going to be a priest but from a different order than Aaron"s. So Hebrews teaches the change form scripture not just their own private interpretation, they have evidence form Gods word in the Old Testament that this is the case. You have zero evidence that the Sabbath has changed thus you can't show it from the Old Testament.
Anyway continuing:
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Jesus was not made after a Carnal commandment. Meaning simply a flesh commandment. The tribe of Levi were men, Aaron was a man like we are. He dies and all his sons would die. But Jesus is not like us in that respect he lives forever hence the scripture quoted in verse 17, "Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec".
This whole passage is about the priesthood.
Flesh priesthood that dies or Divine priesthood who lives forever. To use this to try and change what the bible says in exodus and Genesis is just an attempt to excuse oneself from Gods ways.
Ill tell you what Jesus did not change, The work He did in the beginning before Sin entered this world. The priesthood had to change, because it was prophecies it would in the Old Testament. The only prophecies convening the 7th day Sabbath in the Old testament testify that it will still be for gentiles after the saviour comes.
Its interesting that one of the goals of the disciples was to reach the Jewish community as well as the gentiles. Paul speaks much on his desire for the Jews to come to a knowledge of Scripture.
In order to reach a Jew you must be able to prove your point from the scriptures. For a Jew that is the Old Testament, While we today accept the new testament as scripture also this was not so for Jews then or today and it was not so even for the disciples. The new testament was simply letters and testimonies that the prophecies of the messiah had come true in Jesus and that letters were the disciples mostly Paul trying to show the truth by way of the Old Testament. Thus they constantly quote the Old Testament to back up any teaching they make.
I can teach the change of temple form the Old Testament.
I can teach the change of circumcision and its true meaning form the Old Testament.
I can teach the new covenant from the Old Testament.
I can teach that sacrifices would cease from the Old Testament.
I can teach that the priesthood would change form the Old testament.
But you know that you can not teach that the 10 commandments would cease or change in the Old Testament.
You can not teach that God would change the 7th day Sabbath.
But you can teach that the 7th day Sabbath will continue in heaven from the Old Testament
You can teach that the 7th day Sabbath is for Gentiles also in the Old Testament.
You can also teach that the 7th day Sabbath would continue after the messiah came from the Old Testament.
Because like Paul taught:
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Paul was Talking to Timothy who grew up on the Old testament as scripture. Paul said all this about the Old Testament.
Jesus proved who he was by the Old Testament:
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
If you can't establish your point form the Old Testament then your point is private interpretation. If you think you can prove your point from the new but not the old then you have simply made a private interpretation that makes one witness of God disagree with another witness of God.
The Old testament is the scriptures, The new is a witness to their/the OT accuracy and to them being the word of God and true and trustworthy.
Yet take note that they can not teach their view of the 7th day Sabbath by the scripture of the OT. Thus they pit the second witness against the first.
In order to reach a Jew you must be able to prove your point from the scriptures. For a Jew that is the Old Testament, While we today accept the new testament as scripture also this was not so for Jews then or today and it was not so even for the disciples. The new testament was simply letters and testimonies that the prophecies of the messiah had come true in Jesus and that letters were the disciples mostly Paul trying to show the truth by way of the Old Testament. Thus they constantly quote the Old Testament to back up any teaching they make.
I can teach the change of temple form the Old Testament.
I can teach the change of circumcision and its true meaning form the Old Testament.
I can teach the new covenant from the Old Testament.
I can teach that sacrifices would cease from the Old Testament.
I can teach that the priesthood would change form the Old testament.
But you know that you can not teach that the 10 commandments would cease or change in the Old Testament.
You can not teach that God would change the 7th day Sabbath.
But you can teach that the 7th day Sabbath will continue in heaven from the Old Testament
You can teach that the 7th day Sabbath is for Gentiles also in the Old Testament.
You can also teach that the 7th day Sabbath would continue after the messiah came from the Old Testament.
Because like Paul taught:
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Paul was Talking to Timothy who grew up on the Old testament as scripture. Paul said all this about the Old Testament.
Jesus proved who he was by the Old Testament:
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
If you can't establish your point form the Old Testament then your point is private interpretation. If you think you can prove your point from the new but not the old then you have simply made a private interpretation that makes one witness of God disagree with another witness of God.
The Old testament is the scriptures, The new is a witness to their/the OT accuracy and to them being the word of God and true and trustworthy.
Yet take note that they can not teach their view of the 7th day Sabbath by the scripture of the OT. Thus they pit the second witness against the first.