There is only ONE saving gospel

roaringkitten · Mar 25, 2009

I see a lot of false teachers today concerning the core doctrine of salvation. Doctrines concerning other elements of Christianity are negotiable but salvation is not. "What must I do to be saved". The answer is found in the Word of God(btw, there are MANY more verses than I could list than what I will list here):

"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved..." Acts 16:30-31

"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." John 20:27

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36

“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” Acts 10:43

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 4:5

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:9

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

"And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." 1 John 2:17

"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." John 6:28-29

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:40

"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."
John 7:38

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13

"I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life FREELY." Revelation 21:6

Good works, water baptism, etc....Do NOT save!(They are EVIDENCE of genuine faith. See James 2:18) No merits of your own can you say that you were saved but on the merits of Christ ALONE. It is a FREE gift given to anyone who, in understanding of their sinful condition, believes(ie:has faith) in Christ as the Savior! Man goes to the Savior because of their sins!(Romans 3:19-20, Romans 7:7, 1 John 1:10, Galatians 3:24)

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:14-17

“But we are all as an unclean thing, and ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES ARE AS FILTHY RAGS; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away” Isaiah 64:60

"To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
Romans 3:26-28

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” Romans 4:5-8

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:3-4

“And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But IF IT BE OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO MORE GRACE: otherwise work is no more work.” Romans 11:6

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9

“Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW: for BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED” Galatians 2:16

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." Galatians 2:21

"O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" Galatians 3:1-3

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" Titus 3:5

If it weren't by works to begin with, then it is not by works that you keep salvation as the above verses allude to. You are kept by the power of God who is faithful to perform a good work in you until the day of Jesus Christ(1 Peter 1:3-5, Philippians 1:6, Ephesians 1:13). If you are trusting in your good works to get and/or remain saved, you are not completely trusting in Christ. The book of James speaks of being justified in the eyes of men by our works. Saving faith produces good works. Man looks on the outward appearance of other men, but DOES NOT know their hearts! Only God knows the heart. Man can fool man quite well, but you cannot fool God!(1 Samuel 16:7)

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” Galatians 1:6-9

There is ONE gospel. No other variant form of the gospel is a saving gospel. The gospel is not complicated(2 Corinthians 11:3-4), but man makes it that way. If you believe a false gospel it will cost you ETERNITY in the lake of fire. I hope and pray for this site, that people will turn to the truth!

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." 2 Thessalonians 1:8

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15

wisdomseeker · Mar 25, 2009

mathew chapter 25,34

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
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For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
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Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
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Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
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When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
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Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
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And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
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Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
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I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
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Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
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Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
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And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
One who enters threw the door is saved,Jesus is the door and the way.
When you believe in something it is true to you.If you believe jesus is the truth,The light
Follow him.
I am

here is a parable for you.
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And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
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And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
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Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
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I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.
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So he called every one of his lord's debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord?
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And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.
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Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
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And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
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And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
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He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
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If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
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And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
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No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
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And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
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And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
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And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
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Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
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There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
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And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
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And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
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And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
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And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
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And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
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But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
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And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
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Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
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For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
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Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
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And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
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And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Living in the spirit our marriage with Christ ends the law for us.The fruits of the marriage are.

2 nd peter,1
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According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
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Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
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And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
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And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
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And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
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For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
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Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

I sujest looking these meaning up in the collins dictionary.its very good imop

Love a friend in God

carpetmanswife · Mar 25, 2009

There is ONE gospel. No other variant form of the gospel is a saving gospel. The gospel is not complicated(2 Corinthians 11:3-4), but man makes it that way. If you believe a false gospel it will cost you ETERNITY in the lake of fire. I hope and pray for this site, that people will turn to the truth!
so if i read correctly u think that if i believe a person can lose there salvation im going to hell???

BLC · Mar 25, 2009

roaringkitten,

I appreciate your dedicated concern about salvation by grace and through faith in Christ. Yes, the Bible does teach clearly that we must believe on the Lord Jesus Chrsit to be saved. Yes, we are born again and regenerated according to God's mercy and the Holy Spirit. Yes, there are no works of righteousness invloved on our part. YES, YES, YES! You are right and there is no salvation in any other, but in Christ and it happens the instant we believe. All the verses that you quoted are all true and can be trusted 100%.

Don't be so worried or insecure about what you believe. Rest in what you believe because you have conviction from God that these things are true. You don't have to prove anything because you already have. You have proved all things (pertaining to salvation) and you have held fast to that which is good, right and true. I am not against any of it and have the same conviction. Those same verses are dear to my heart as they are to yours. I don't believe that every person is going to be saved and go to heaven. I do believe that God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. I believe the gospel should be preached to every creature as Christ has commanded us to do, because He paid for all their sins no matter how wicked they have been.

I believe that those that live in the works of the flesh as a practice, will not inherit the kingdom of God. I also believe that a believer can backslide into sin and God will chastise that believer until they come back to be restored or God could take them home early through their sin that leads to physical death. That is not honorable but it happens and they will probably suffer the loss of all rewards, but will be saved as by fire. However, when they appear before the judgment seat of Christ, they will not be judge according to sin because their sin has already been judged by Christ's death, burial and resurrection, but their works will be tried by fire.

If you see a brother sin or fail, go to him alone in meekness, as a Spirit-filled believer. Don't judge him or condemn him but restore him through love, mercy and grace. Don't even repeat the matter to another soul, including your spouse or best friend. I don't care how serious the matter is, help him get victory over his sin and bear his burden by helping him find a solution. What our brother's doesn't need when they fail is someone that criticizes them or tells them if they don't repent they will go to hell. That is wrong doctrine and has nothing to do with the grace of God. That is what I believe and it works. We have been given a word and ministry of reconciliation. If a husband and wife separate, don't you want them to be reconciled deep down? If your brother separates from fellowship with God through sin, don't you want him to be reconciled to God? I think and hope that you do.

roaringkitten · Mar 25, 2009

so if i read correctly u think that if i believe a person can lose there salvation im going to hell???

Explain to me carpetmanswife, how one can lose salvation. Salvation is not dependent on what you did, its what Christ did for you because you could NEVER do enough good works to save yourself......This is clearly taught in the Word of God. God keeps us. If I lost salvation everytime I fell short of 100% perfection(even the slightest unnoticebale sin), I would have lost salvation today multitudes of times!

carpetmanswife · Mar 25, 2009

i didnt ask that do debate at all i dont debate..i try not to anyway. i spose u answered me in a round about way...thanks

roaringkitten · Mar 25, 2009

Yes I agree BLC. which is what many professing Christians dont understand.....Us Christians will appear before the judgment seat of Christ and get rewards/lose them(2 Corinthians 5:10, also see Romans 14:12). Its just worrisome that I run across MANY professing believers on CC and in the real world who think they have a part in keeping salvation based upon their works....That makes me think, somewhere down the line they were taught a works gospel in disguise....

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15

To those professed Christians who think that doing bad works will get you lost to hell again....This verse makes it clear....Notice where it says "Now if any man built UPON this foundation"..."this" is refering to "Jesus Christ".....This entire passage is talking to believers! So if us believers can suffer loss(for bad works) and himself "shall be saved" this completely throws out the heresy that a believer can lose their salvation on the merits of them doing bad works....

Nowhere in the Word does God tell us we have a liscense to sin.....Read Romans diligently, and you will see this being explained.....Christians will not get away with anything!

roaringkitten · Mar 25, 2009

i didnt ask that do debate at all i dont debate..i try not to anyway. i spose u answered me in a round about way...thanks

The reason why I asked is so that I get a better idea of what you are thinking about this notion that one can lose their salvation. This isnt about debate points, I dont care for any rewards or prestige on here....I only care that I protect people from false doctrines....

Sinnner · Mar 25, 2009

roaringkitten said:

I don't believe that one little sin makes you lose your salvation.

No one tought the idea that it was imposible through sin to lose their salvation for more than 1500 years. Now are we saying that in the past 500 years have become biblically smarter? No way! This world has been constantly growing further and further from biblical thuths. This is backed up by the proportional increase of sin in the world. The definition of theory is a rational thought, not fact. Therefore the fact is that one of the theories is wrong. If the theory of conditional salvation is wrong what is the outcome, the Christian that has chose to run the race harder achieves a higher level of piece on earth, or a larger mansion in heaven, nothing bad . If the theory of eternal salvation is wrong then what could be the outcome, some people could continually sin, not bother asking for forgiveness, not read their bible and assume that they will still be saved and end up in hell. I would rather be safe than sorry, give me conditional salvation.

What about Judas Iscariot, he believed in Jesus, he actually walked with him, but he betrayed Jesus, then hung himself. Where is he?

What if an unmarried couplecome to Christ and get salvation but continue to fornicate? Are the going to lose their salvation? It says in Ephesians 5 3-5 But fornication and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetious man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and od God.

wisdomseeker · Mar 25, 2009

hear ye this parable

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Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
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And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
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But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
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The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
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Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
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But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
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And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
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And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
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So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
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Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
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Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
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And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
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So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Love a friend in God

roaringkitten · Mar 25, 2009

I would rather be safe than sorry, give me conditional salvation.

I would hope and pray that you make sure you are in the faith.....Because if you think that good works will keep you saved, then you believed a works gospel.....The Word says the FRUITS are evidence of saving faith......When man understands Galatians 3:24 and places faith in Christ, he will show evidence of it sometime in their lifetime(James 2:18).

John 12:4-6 says Judas Iscarot was a thief.....satan entered him when he betrayed Jesus(John 13:27)....No evidence in the Bible that he was ever a Christian.....He was an imposter....And in fact, there are MANY false converts who say they are Christians and who are not(see Jude 1:4, 1 John 2:19)...

wisdomseeker · Mar 25, 2009

I pray we all make it roaring kitten.
I fear more than anything ;That God would leave me in a place that he isnt working in.It is my dread my fear.Tears well up in me at even the thought of living in some evil ungodly place.

The fear of God is the start of wisdom.proverbs

John 15,1

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
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Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
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Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
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Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
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I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
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If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
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If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
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Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
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As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
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If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
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This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
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Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

I love God for who he is,When he says i am that i am
I know who he is .The truth is here.

Love a friend in God

Thaddaeus · Mar 26, 2009

Eph 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Eph 2:9Not of works, lest any man should boast.Eph 2:10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

wisdomseeker · Mar 26, 2009

Jesus is cool

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He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
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Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
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Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Love a friend in God

MahogonySnail · Mar 26, 2009

I agree that there is one saving gospel, however there are possibly hundreds of different interpretations of it. Which is the problem.

Sinnner · Mar 27, 2009

For many years I have asserted that the doctrine of Eternal Security is not to be found anywhere in the Bible. I have to humble myself and admit that I was wrong; it is stated, and I will show you where.
It is only asserted in one place, but it is also displayed in a multitude of examples in Scripture too! The Bible says in Genesis 3:4 to Adam and Eve concerning eating the forbidden fruit in the Garden, “Ye shall not surely die:” You see, the Bible is replete with examples of people who believed this Bible promise and acted upon it. They believed that they could sin with impunity, for they believed that “Ye shall not surely die” if you do!
Most Bible students will have guessed by now that the quotation I used from the Bible were the lying words of the devil in the temptation of Eve, and not an exhortation of God. Not every word in the Bible is composed of God’s words to us, but some are examples of lies and errors in which we are to learn from and avoid! Strangely, the doctrine that goes by the name of Eternal Security is identical to the very lie in the Garden, and God has given us an example so we would not also be deceived by it! Yet many of those who would shake their heads in dismay at the simplicity in which Adam and Eve were duped, are some of the very ones that elevate this very doctrine to the position of the greatest and most important doctrine for the believer to embrace from the entire Bible! To some, it’s the Gospel!
What are we to say of doctrines that Satan invents, and then passes them off as Scripture? So many ignore what he is teaching. Most do not study the statements of evil men given for our edification in Scripture. But God gives them to us as examples, many times as as a contrast to His truth!
If Satan says that if you sin you shall not die spiritually, and God warns us that if we sin we will die, then how can we ignore such a double emphasis from Scripture? We have a straightforward prohibition from God Himself, and an example of how the devil uses Scripture twisting to teach people the very opposite of what God says! Nowhere in Scripture is it stated that we can sin with impunity, with the exception of the lie of the devil! We are told that the “wages of sin is death,” which is spiritual death! “He who sins is of the devil,” which false teachers tell people to ignore and soften it to allow sin, even though God has inspired the writer to say it with crystal clarity.
For any doctrine to be a Biblically endorsed doctrine of God it must be stated in the Bible, yet Eternal Security or its conclusions are elusive. It is not surprising in the least that no one can find any such doctrine of Eternal Security in the Scriptures without assuming it first, because such a doctrine defies all logic and a multitude of clearly stated Scriptures which proves such demonic conclusion as Eternal Security to be false!
Some doctrines can be derived from the clear statements that are available from piecing the evidence and several positive statements together, such as the Trinity of God. But Eternal Security cannot be brought together in the same way. Many proponents of the doctrine have boldly and ignorantly asserted that “Eternal Security is the Gospel!” But how can that be? You see, the Early Church was undecided about the Trinity, and it took hundreds of years before it became orthodoxy. That’s o.k., it’s not a salvation issue! But if Eternal Security is the Gospel, then why did God hide it from them? Why was the Early Church consistently against any such doctrine as Eternal Security? Was it God's plan to hide the doctrine so well that those taught by the apostles themselves did not know it? That for nearly half a millennium Christianity knew nothing of such a doctrine, and deemed such a teaching to be a "strange doctrine" of the heathen religions and saw it as heresy? Does God want to shroud His Gospel in a way that makes it difficult for people to be saved? Surely, the "Good News," the "Gospel" of Jesus Christ must be easily found and stated in Scripture in order for it to be “good” news! I cannot fathom that God’s Gospel is ‘so’ hidden and ambiguous as to be reduced to a game of “Where’s Waldo” in the Scriptures! The Gospel is clear, and Eternal Security has nothing to do with it! Eternal Security has everything to do with elevating the lie of the devil above the very Gospel itself! It supplants the work of Christ on humanities’ behalf with the deceptive teaching of the devil. Just because a majority of people believe the devil’s words over God’s words, is no reason to go along with it!
Yes, Eternal Security is a "Biblical" doctrine on the same order as murder, incest, theft, and dishonesty are; as clear examples of what things to avoid.

By Jeff Paton (I'm not Jeff)

roaringkitten · Mar 27, 2009

Jeff Paton, The very essence of our sinful nature, means we CANNOT work our way into righteousness! An no, I do not go preach it to sinners as "once saved, always saved"......I preach they are sinners, Jesus is the Savior! We cannot possible keep ourselves which is why God keeps us! And where did I ever teach that man has a license to sin? Any man that thinks his good merits have a part in salvation, is still dead in their sins.

Why not go through this thread Scripture by Scripture and explain to me where my good works come into play with salvation. The Word of God cannot be any clearer on this...Our works of righteousness are FILTHY rags compared to his Holiness, and perfection!

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" Titus 3:5

What is so hard to understand about this? Its a FREE gift to those who believe!(Rev. 21:6)

Sinnner · Mar 27, 2009

Explain why early Christianity never taught this (eternal salvation), did mankind just figure this out in the past 500 years?

Rosinsky · Mar 27, 2009

Sinnner said:

So then, how much sin is sin enough that will make you lose your salvation?

roaringkitten · Mar 27, 2009

Explain why early Christianity never taught this (eternal salvation), did mankind just figure this out in the past 500 years?

I specifically asked you a question in my previous post. Asking another question does not answer it.

There is only ONE saving gospel

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