Arguing for the Sake of Arguing.

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CristenJ

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I know that a forum is a place to express one's opinion, and to have healthy debates about topics that are important to us. I've seen some great threads started on here on subjects that are really relevant to a lot of people, and I've been impressed by how well some CC members express their point of view and still manage to keep their cool and show love and support for others with differing views.

I also realize that when it comes to religious views, people often get hot-headed and easily riled up. I can understand that, to an extent. Especially when it comes to debates between a believer and a non-believer. I understand, too, that when debating, each participant is 100% sure that they are right, and wants to change the other's mind and have them agree.

But I've noticed, on this forum, that it is taken so much further than that. I feel that more often than not, even a thread that starts out as a simple question for others, turns into not a debate, but a full-blown argument and slashing of other people's beliefs and/or opinions. Even if people are not being directly attacked and called out (which I've noticed they often ARE), there is still no attempt at love or understanding in a lot of posts on here.

People are now resorting to the lowest forms of sarcasm to defend themselves because others are ignoring completely what is actually being said. There are scriptures being thrown around and taken out of context by some. People are doing more preaching than debating or discussing.

The thing is, I go to church to hear a sermon. I come here to compare/contrast what I know to be true, and things I'm unsure of. Sometimes this site is a great place to learn more about God and the Bible, but more often than not, I find that it is a good place to learn how NOT to behave towards my brothers and sister in Christ.

I rarely quote scriptures to people on here, because most of us know what the Bible says, but I feel that at this point, we could all use a reminder (yes, that does include me as well)...

Matthew 7:3-5
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.


It just seems to me that people are starting threads on here for the sole purpose of getting others to argue with them. How is that helpful to anyone? How is that portraying ourselves as Christians?
 
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thefightinglamb

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All my threads have been serious...I really think chess might be evil...I wasn't trying to be sarcastic...I also am unsure about the 'veggie tales' as I have come to see that Jesus didn't use any of his imagination to create things that could at least possibly happen, realistic fiction(even in the old testament we see like no fiction--though we do see interesting dreams)...and both Lord of the Rings and Chornicles of Narnia are both seen to me to be deeply Christian works, yes of 'fantasy'...so where does slashing these leave us...can talking and moving vegetables preach to kids? Even if the colors and stuff amuse them, would it be worth it?...Gandalf and others never used their minds to create talking and moving vegetables, which the authors of veggie tales did...

So would the Lord ever use his imagination to create something that was unreal? Would it then be a lie? If this is true than veggie tales falls into the same category as Lord of the Rings or Chronicles of Narnia...

It is a straight forward example, which truly I am unsure of...because there are times when I honestly believe that all works of fantasy, and acting, all just lead the mind and heart astray into vanity.

Sorry, but I will try to clear things up...

Gods peace.
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Tony, I think that a lot of people went overboard with the "is .....evil?" threads.
 
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Knightjester

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It just seems to me that people are starting threads on here for the sole purpose of getting others to argue with them. How is that helpful to anyone? How is that portraying ourselves as Christians?
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This is the equation of how a group of Christian starts their new denomination:

Σ(ƒ{√(debate)µ} ± {√(disagreement)ß}) (ƒ{√(petulant)µ} ± {√(departure)ß)}) = Σ(ƒ{√(µ(new doctrines)ß)})

There’s even a denomination called Non-denomination-al!
It’s happening in here, and it’s the same thing happening in other places,
It’s sort of an inherited pattern thingy; that’s why we have so many denominations.

With Love,
~Ren
 
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Baptistrw

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I know that a forum is a place to express one's opinion, and to have healthy debates about topics that are important to us. I've seen some great threads started on here on subjects that are really relevant to a lot of people, and I've been impressed by how well some CC members express their point of view and still manage to keep their cool and show love and support for others with differing views.

I also realize that when it comes to religious views, people often get hot-headed and easily riled up. I can understand that, to an extent. Especially when it comes to debates between a believer and a non-believer. I understand, too, that when debating, each participant is 100% sure that they are right, and wants to change the other's mind and have them agree.

But I've noticed, on this forum, that it is taken so much further than that. I feel that more often than not, even a thread that starts out as a simple question for others, turns into not a debate, but a full-blown argument and slashing of other people's beliefs and/or opinions. Even if people are not being directly attacked and called out (which I've noticed they often ARE), there is still no attempt at love or understanding in a lot of posts on here.

People are now resorting to the lowest forms of sarcasm to defend themselves because others are ignoring completely what is actually being said. There are scriptures being thrown around and taken out of context by some. People are doing more preaching than debating or discussing.

The thing is, I go to church to hear a sermon. I come here to compare/contrast what I know to be true, and things I'm unsure of. Sometimes this site is a great place to learn more about God and the Bible, but more often than not, I find that it is a good place to learn how NOT to behave towards my brothers and sister in Christ.

I rarely quote scriptures to people on here, because most of us know what the Bible says, but I feel that at this point, we could all use a reminder (yes, that does include me as well)...

Matthew 7:3-5
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.


It just seems to me that people are starting threads on here for the sole purpose of getting others to argue with them. How is that helpful to anyone? How is that portraying ourselves as Christians?
I think this whole forum is utterly pointless and not helpful to anyone to be honest.
 
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Raeshelle

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I agree with you Cristen, it is to the point that i see the title and I don't even brother to open it and read it.. And as for saying the forums are utterly pointless then why do you always make it a point to comment on them Baptistw? Just asking..
 
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Baptistrw

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Because it's not just the arguments that are pointless, the silly nonsense is as well. To me the arguments are far more edifying than the stupidity. Atleast the arguments challenge me to think and evaluate my position on things. But both are utterly pointless. Usually no one is helped by either and neither do anyone any spiritual good, which is ultimately the most important thing in life.
 
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Kendall202

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Woooooow ok so I definately agree with you Cristen.
I cant say that I haven't argued on threads bc I actually have more than once..
And defending arguments?????.............................................o.0
 

BLC

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How are we going to let the mind of Christ be in us as it is in Christ Jesus (Phil 2:5), if you and I do not learn to think with God? How can we walk together with Him unless we be agreed (Amos 3:3)? If God wants to send us on an assignment, how will be able to impart the wisdom of God if we don't agree with God? We are to walk in the light (1John 1:7). That light is the light that we receive from the word of God (Psalm 119:130) and that light is God (1John 1:5). If God is light and His word is light, then when we walk in the light we are in agreement with God and there is no occasion of stumbling in us (1John 2:10). [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]We have been given God's word to walk in the light and wisdom of every word that comes from God's own mouth (Mt 4:4). You and I don't have to believe or walk in God's word. If we don't, then we will not know how to think with God in situations. If that is what we want, then we will just have to walk in darkness all the time and keep stumbling over and over with no victory. What kind of child does not walk in the light of his father's instructions? We will just keep failing in the same areas over and over again. As a believer I want to be encouraged to walk in the light and to get as much of God's word hid in my heart, to keep me from sin against God (Psalm 119:11), even if it takes someone to exhort me to the point of correction. Doesn't God correct those that He loves (Prov 3:12)? He corrects their way of thinking that led them to do the wrong thing.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The word of God is the most precious substance we have as believers. We should esteem it above all necessaties (Job 23:12), we should magnify it, even above His name (Psalm 138:2), because it will be what God uses to judge those that do not receive His word (John 12:48). There are scores of believers that have problems because they are not growing in grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ (2Pt 3:18). Many are weary and need to hear a word in season (Isaiah 50:4). It is our privilege, as children of God, to hide God's word in our heart and to let is dwell richly (Col 3:16), so that we can be throughly furnished unto all good works that God would have us do (2Tim 3:16,17).[/FONT]
 

Missy

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Cristen and everyone,

I love to fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ. I am beginning to feel as though I have an extended family out there. I love the conversations with the personalities on here, the sharing of the Word, and the silliness because I love to laugh. That is what I take away from this site. More often, than not, I leave here feeling Blessed in the Spirit, and feel joy.

There are Christians on here, that have no joy in the Lord. They don't laugh, they fight. They don't love, they condemn. Pray for them, because in my opinion, they have missed the whole point of having a relationship with Jesus. They don't know how to love their brothers and sisters in Christ, as we were commanded by Christ to do. It is our task in life, to learn to love.

We all have our lessons and ways we need to grow. Just keep praying for them, and don't let the negativity rub off on you. That's the enemy at work (don't forget who the accuser is, it's satan), and if you pray for understanding, and pray for those that are always trying to ruin the joy, not only are you praying for a sad soul, but you will learn how it helps you too.

God Bless you Cristen, and everyone in CC.
 
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you know when i see those huge cut & pasted quotes from each idividual multi quoted with tons of scripture that supports both sides depending on how they swing it or which version of the bible they choose my brain kinda goes into lalala mode... i skip it all and read the last sentence cause its all for not as neither party is seriously listening... I must say tho... baptistrw is one of my fav's I love the way he?? responds (sorry if u r a she) cuts to the chase... I think it helps that we probably have similar mindset. oh i also love carpetmanswife and merryheart (just cause she's a mod... lol) cmw brings the funny to the posts... gotta love it! So I overall enjoy the forum even with the clutter and stuff that piles up. Its ok to passionately defend the Lord. We are CHRISTIAN chat and its ok to stand up for our belief in Christ.
 
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Baptistrw

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you know when i see those huge cut & pasted quotes from each idividual multi quoted with tons of scripture that supports both sides depending on how they swing it or which version of the bible they choose my brain kinda goes into lalala mode... i skip it all and read the last sentence cause its all for not as neither party is seriously listening... I must say tho... baptistrw is one of my fav's I love the way he?? responds (sorry if u r a she) cuts to the chase... I think it helps that we probably have similar mindset. oh i also love carpetmanswife and merryheart (just cause she's a mod... lol) cmw brings the funny to the posts... gotta love it! So I overall enjoy the forum even with the clutter and stuff that piles up. Its ok to passionately defend the Lord. We are CHRISTIAN chat and its ok to stand up for our belief in Christ.
ROFL I'm a guy buddy lol. Hence the maleness on my profile picture :)
 
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roaringkitten

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There is no problem with making a thread about ANY topic in the Word(you or no one knows the intentions of the poster, and we can make best guesses based upon how they reply to people though)....I can tell when someone replies just to argue. For example, I can take a stand about evils in America, or the wickedness of Harry Potter, and all some can do it ridicule the poster. And make replies that are completely off topic. These type of people dont include ANY Scripture to back up their positions. Which is what we as Christians should do as 2 Timothy 3:16 says. It is perfectly fine to disagree, and if some would be honest and show some humility when they reply then it doesnt generally offend people....But sometimes the TRUTH just hurts......And people are just bitter because they were told that they are living like the world and they dont want to admit it.......So in essence, what Baptistrw said applies much of the time on these forums.....What we need to protect is the CORE doctrine of Christianity(saved by faith ALONE in Jesus because we are sinners)....I can tolerate many different opinions on Scripture, but when it comes to salvation, I will expose those who teach heresy. This is meant to help guide others who are here searching for truth, and are plagued with so much heresy concerning salvation...
 
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nanabean

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Because it's not just the arguments that are pointless, the silly nonsense is as well. To me the arguments are far more edifying than the stupidity. Atleast the arguments challenge me to think and evaluate my position on things. But both are utterly pointless. Usually no one is helped by either and neither do anyone any spiritual good, which is ultimately the most important thing in life.

I really don't usually even LOOK at the "Bible Discussion Forum" anymore...simply BECAUSE it is so argumentitive ....but "hidden" inside "debate" and "discussion". I don't enjoy it. But I did hit on this one to read because of the title and I wanted to see if it addressed what I just said......and it does. I guess I just want to say, that the "silly nonsense" I THINK you are talking of...(other threads that are just for fun) may be pointless to sooooome degree..but if they relieve stress, bring a smile to someone's day..then really?? ARE they "pointless'?? I don't like to point this out, since noone elese has, but stupidity?? really?? isn't that a bit.....not necessary?? to say of other's posts, threads?? As for doing someone any spiritual good....again, if the posts and/or threads light up a person's day....I am sure it helps them with their spiritual path as well....just helps give them the right frame of mind to be open and ready to learn more. On the other hand if things are "discussed" to the point of upset, who does THAT help?? I will not debate this.....it's just my thoughts.......

God Bless
 
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NoahsMom

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Well said Nana....
 
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carpetmanswife

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oh i hope you arent sad about me... what i meant is alot of your posts stand out for me & make me smile... It was a good thing. I appreciate your matter of fact no nonsense perspective. Sorry to sad you.
 
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carpetmanswife

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o no no no imoss....not u at all my dear :) in fact i take your words as a compliment
 
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Baptistrw

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Roaring kitten I agree with you on our core beliefs and Nana i'm glad you said that! I will add: Its important to remember that we have various different age groups in here (physically and spiritually); so what may seem like nonsense or silliness to you might be something that helps a young person or people young at heart such as meself, :p Either way , come on how hard is it for us to walk in love, and on the internet no less?

IMoss is a woman,, lol baptist

ps: <3 u2 imoss :p
lol I call pretty much everyone buddy :)
 
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CristenJ

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I want to thank everyone who responded to this, agreeing or disagreeing.

I'm not against people having different points of view and debating them. What had me upset was what seemed like a lot of mean-spirited posts.

Also, roaringkitten- I'd just like to point out that it's unfair to expect every person who posts in a debate-type thread to quote scriptures for everything they say. That's not my style, and I know a lot of people who post in the forums also don't use this style. I'd also like to say that I generally agree with what you say in your posts, and any disagreeing posts I've replied with, I didn't mean for them to come across as an assault on you.

There's nothing wrong with stating what you personally believe or feel is right, without always supporting it with scripture. The problem comes in when a person states their own feelings/beliefs as absolute fact (with no support), and insist that everyone else should believe exactly as they do.

The main thing I was trying to get at is:

Not every subject is best handled by quoting verses, especially if those verses aren't being explained. Which often times on this forum, they aren't. They may fit the topic, but not everyone involved in the discussion will necessarily understand how those verses apply when they're just copied and pasted without any explanation.

And I think a lot of the time, when the only response to someone's question is a really long post containing ONLY scripture, the person feels attacked or like they weren't even being listened to. Hence why I said that it may not be helpful to just throw out a bunch of scripture in a discussion.
 
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