Not By Works
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Oh...that must be a fun time - the way that the Pentecostal churches I went to do it - it was a major con job and manipulation technique.
I'm sure they had good intentions but then again the gospel was so severely watered down in the churches I went to - they had to resort to this type of activity to control people.
It is all man-made traditions and just shows that the true gospel was never being preached to them. Works-based belief systems have this mindset.
I'm sure they had good intentions but then again the gospel was so severely watered down in the churches I went to - they had to resort to this type of activity to control people.
It is all man-made traditions and just shows that the true gospel was never being preached to them. Works-based belief systems have this mindset.
Umm.... Was there an answer to my questions in there somewhere?
The Gospel message IS offensive. It says THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, than to trust Jesus Sacrificial death as payment for our sins. It's offensive to those that can't understand that adding to that Gospel, is trampling on the blood of Christ. I get that.
But why have you refused to answer ANY of my 5 or 6 questions if not because they pinch you hard?
The Gospel message IS offensive. It says THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, than to trust Jesus Sacrificial death as payment for our sins. It's offensive to those that can't understand that adding to that Gospel, is trampling on the blood of Christ. I get that.
But why have you refused to answer ANY of my 5 or 6 questions if not because they pinch you hard?
A requirement of faith.
I have a picture of someone on the group with a parachute. They know the drill,
jumping out of the plane, clearing it, counting a few seconds then pulling the rip chord,
and the parachute deploys, and you float gently down to earth.
Now failures are
1. Not leaving the plane, no faith exercised
2. Leaving the plane, but not pulling the rip chord so you plummet to earth
The rip chord is repentance, and exercising the gifts of the Spirit and walking
in righteousness.
If you do not exercise it, you will just make a rather sad sight impaled on the
ground. You have to trust the parachute, and execute the rip chord.
Trusting in yourself you will just fail, terminally.
I have a picture of someone on the group with a parachute. They know the drill,
jumping out of the plane, clearing it, counting a few seconds then pulling the rip chord,
and the parachute deploys, and you float gently down to earth.
Now failures are
1. Not leaving the plane, no faith exercised
2. Leaving the plane, but not pulling the rip chord so you plummet to earth
The rip chord is repentance, and exercising the gifts of the Spirit and walking
in righteousness.
If you do not exercise it, you will just make a rather sad sight impaled on the
ground. You have to trust the parachute, and execute the rip chord.
Trusting in yourself you will just fail, terminally.
I do love my brothers and sisters in Christ.....you seem to conflate love for a brother with my hatred of the false working for dogma that you and a few others push.....I have no problem with you per se, just what you espouse and teach which waters down and tramples under foot the blood and sacrifice of Jesus...
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And that changed what I said?
Is your faith real Fran? Then why do you question if you will have works or not?
I will never understand that fran.. Never, Because if one has real faith, according to the bible they will work
The people who do not work are the people who never had faith
so again, Why do you queston it?
Is your faith real Fran? Then why do you question if you will have works or not?
I will never understand that fran.. Never, Because if one has real faith, according to the bible they will work
The people who do not work are the people who never had faith
so again, Why do you queston it?
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Do you attack me personally?
Yes you do, everytime I say I say or believe things I never said. or say OSAS is of satan, But thats ok, It does not bother me, You can;t take what I have in christ,
so lets get off this attack mentaility, and start to look at the issues. is that ok?
You seem to always want to talk about side issues, and not the meet of what people are saying.
Yes you do, everytime I say I say or believe things I never said. or say OSAS is of satan, But thats ok, It does not bother me, You can;t take what I have in christ,
so lets get off this attack mentaility, and start to look at the issues. is that ok?
You seem to always want to talk about side issues, and not the meet of what people are saying.
By Grace Through Faith
Eph 2:1 You used to be dead because of your offenses and sins,
Eph 2:2 that you once practiced as you lived according to the ways of this present world and according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now active in those who are disobedient.
Eph 2:3 Indeed, all of us once behaved like them in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of our flesh and senses. By nature we were destined for wrath, just like everyone else.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love for us
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead because of our offenses, made us alive together with the Messiah (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 2:6 raised us up with him, and seated us with him in the heavenly realm in the Messiah Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might display the limitless riches of his grace that comes to us through his kindness in the Messiah Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God
Eph 2:9 and not the result of actions, to put a stop to all boasting.
Eph 2:10 For we are God's masterpiece, created in the Messiah Jesus to perform good actions that God prepared long ago to be our way of life.
Works initiated by Holy Spirit, which empowers one to do.
Eph 2:1 You used to be dead because of your offenses and sins,
Eph 2:2 that you once practiced as you lived according to the ways of this present world and according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now active in those who are disobedient.
Eph 2:3 Indeed, all of us once behaved like them in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of our flesh and senses. By nature we were destined for wrath, just like everyone else.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love for us
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead because of our offenses, made us alive together with the Messiah (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 2:6 raised us up with him, and seated us with him in the heavenly realm in the Messiah Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might display the limitless riches of his grace that comes to us through his kindness in the Messiah Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God
Eph 2:9 and not the result of actions, to put a stop to all boasting.
Eph 2:10 For we are God's masterpiece, created in the Messiah Jesus to perform good actions that God prepared long ago to be our way of life.
Works initiated by Holy Spirit, which empowers one to do.
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The argument is not can dead faith save,
the argument is do works save, or maintain salvation, And can true saving faith be separated from works.
It seems you do not understand the argument yourself.
again, Can you please show the room where one person said a dead faith would save anyone. (this is the third time I have asked today, are you afraid because you know no one actually says this?) or just you can not show anyone saying this? which is it)
Your new here, and you come in with your guns a firing, mocking people like your on old reg.
Why do you not start to prove what your saying instead of attacking people.
Two trees exist in the garden of our heart. One must have the axe of Holy Spirit applied to the root to wilt and die that the tree of life has full access to us.
Taken from the kingdom of darkness, into the kingdom of Gods own dear Son.
Then we feed on His life as we "see" Him.
Allegorically is how I roll.
Taken from the kingdom of darkness, into the kingdom of Gods own dear Son.
Then we feed on His life as we "see" Him.
Allegorically is how I roll.